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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #30 on: 26 May 2017, 18:29:19 »
[face palm] Oh my. Calm down. Everything will be 'A' okay... Speck is an excellent guy. Please, give him some respect (for all he continues to do for us).

Things will not calm down IAMCLANWOLF. They will in fact calm up.

Well we know what happened with the Valkyrie now as it missed its original Q2 release, but is back on track. Now all we need is someone to share info on the Wasp :) Once complete, we can go back to the new and upcoming releases thread and spread doom n gloom there once again :crazy2:

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #31 on: 26 May 2017, 18:32:55 »
Things will not calm down IAMCLANWOLF. They will in fact calm up.

With all the sturm and drang over what is almost assuredly nothing (where's Stanislav Petrov when you need him?), I'd even settle for merely having things clam up.  ;D

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #32 on: 26 May 2017, 21:25:56 »
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #33 on: 28 May 2017, 11:53:54 »
So instead of run around screaming "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!", we can help bring a new miniature to life  O0

Except a Resculpt doesn't really qualify as a "New" mini.  :-X
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #34 on: 28 May 2017, 14:58:22 »
Besides, doesn't look like anyone wants to check the 1st SW book to see if the art is still in the PDF.

I just re-downloaded the 1SW PDF from DriveThruRPG, and the Valkyrie art is still there. According to their system, the PDF is the same one that came out in 2016. Happy now?

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #35 on: 28 May 2017, 20:00:03 »
And the Wasp? We already know that some snafu held up the creation of the Valkyrie mold but the removal of the Wasp from the IWM site as well as the lack of Wasps currently for sale is still a mystery. Unlike some I do not think this is something to do with HG and a repeat of the unseen issue. Maybe something between IWM and CGL, but most likely some other production issue. I just want the HQ rumors to die a horrible death.

So long as the Wasp art is still in the 1SW PDF we can be certain that it is dead. If only the same were true of HG itself...

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #36 on: 28 May 2017, 20:01:43 »
So long as the Wasp art is still in the 1SW PDF we can be certain that it is dead.
??? Sorry, I just can't make that make sense. Or did you mean "not"?
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #37 on: 28 May 2017, 20:17:37 »
The Wasp is still there as well. It is, literally, the same version of the PDF that was released last year. I also re-downloaded CM: Kurita. Both the Wasp and Phoenix Hawk are still in it as well, and that PDF is also from 2016. All the art is still there, so I'd say it's pretty safe to calm down now. The flying lawyer-monkeys are safely asleep in their lair.
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #38 on: 28 May 2017, 22:04:55 »
Referring to the laughable claim someone made that HG could be having a hissy fit over the new Wasp art. Since it is still in the latest books we can put to rest the thought that HG is trying to take our Wasp away again.

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #39 on: 28 May 2017, 22:39:59 »
Got you now, Phoenixstorm - just lost track of what "it" was.
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #40 on: 29 May 2017, 20:35:29 »
Sorry for not posting sooner about this, but was waiting to hear back from Mike, then forums stopped working, and then we are at the weekend and it was my wife birthday.

Below is all that I am able to say for now, when I have more information to post about it I will do so.
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #41 on: 29 May 2017, 21:25:08 »
I have a very bad feeling about this.   [legal]
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #42 on: 30 May 2017, 00:17:22 »
Sorry for not posting sooner about this, but was waiting to hear back from Mike, then forums stopped working, and then we are at the weekend and it was my wife birthday.

Below is all that I am able to say for now, when I have more information to post about it I will do so.

Thanks for the information, but are there any news on the other classics / un-unseens / whatever? There is still no information which classic is going to be released in Q3, let alone in Q4 or in 2018. Hopefully, the release of the other classics is still on schedule?
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #43 on: 30 May 2017, 13:16:41 »
I have a very bad feeling about this.   [legal]

I admit, this doesn't bode well... but I'm not yet sold that it's an IP fight. Only as HG has had over a year already to pitch a hissy-fit over the Wasp (1SW was released on May 2, 2016), it seems a bit johnny-come-lately for them to only start flinging the C&Ds now (with as litigious as that company is and as public as CGL's Classics announcement was, I can't imagine someone there NOT taking a long and critical look at the designs from the get-go).

OTOH, I can't think of any other good explanations to why IWM started selling the minis then pulled them relatively quickly. If it were a pending announcement from CGL about new PlasTech Classics, I don't see them pulling the rug out from under IWM by telling IWM to basically eat the investment in the making of the expensive molds then not letting them use them. That's a jerk move that CGL just is not capable of from what I've seen of them. 

Also, this is probably not "Things Don't Always Work Out" territory. Speck, if you are able and allowed to confirm, the embargo (or whatever) only extends (publicly, at least, as they're the only two other announced minis at the time) to the Wasp and Valkyrie, right? Can we take it as understood that it doesn't extend to the already-released-and-still-on-the-site Shadow Hawk and OstScout?

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #44 on: 30 May 2017, 16:36:44 »
If Harmony Gold was going after the Wasp and Valkyrie, then they would have gone after the Shadow Hawk as well.  I suspect it's not a copyright issue.

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #45 on: 30 May 2017, 16:41:36 »
Ostscout and Shadow Hawk still available on IWM store.

The Shad is similar to a Dougram design not a HG design. However Ostscout is similar to HG design . . .
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #46 on: 30 May 2017, 17:18:03 »
How long has the Primitive Wasp been out now?
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #47 on: 30 May 2017, 18:44:27 »
Ostscout and Shadow Hawk still available on IWM store.

The Shad is similar to a Dougram design not a HG design. However Ostscout is similar to HG design . . .

HG can't really say anything about the Shad, as like you said it's from Dougram and so they have no copyright stake in it. As for the OstScout, while it was based off the Regult, it's been so changed that you'd need to squint while on LSD to discern the any Regult influences with the Classic.

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #48 on: 30 May 2017, 20:56:26 »
HG can't really say anything about the Shad, as like you said it's from Dougram and so they have no copyright stake in it. As for the OstScout, while it was based off the Regult, it's been so changed that you'd need to squint while on LSD to discern the any Regult influences with the Classic.

Agree with you on the classic Ostscout being "similiar" to the Regult (my one uni post-grad level unit of contract law brain says that if we use the words "based on" then we are not helping CGL/IWM's cause in any potential discussions with HG).

Without inside knowledge and based solely on the art that has been published I would expect that the work on re-imaging the classic mechs would stand up to a legal challenge as being original work but that does not stop somebody from at least trying to test that if they so desire. The message that speck does have me leaning toward a legal issue but there is nothing that we can really do but provide moral support and think positively for CGL and IWM and hope for a speedy and successful resolution to whatever the issue is.
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #49 on: 30 May 2017, 21:12:21 »
At this juncture, I would think CGL would have made an effort not to cross paths with HG again.  They have proven such a headache, you would think CGL might even sent them copies so they could pitch a fit before any printing began.


Plus, how big is HG's property in the US these days?  From my observations they've always acted like there was a huge market here, and frankly, it seems like even more of niche than Battletech.  I do see some stuff on Amazon now and again, but I find far more Battletech merchandise there.  Not to mention it was the worst soap opera ever   [metalhealth] .
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #50 on: 30 May 2017, 22:08:33 »
I wonder if CGL has nothing to do with this? Catalyst and Iron Wind Metals are two different companies, and I think the license to produce art (and plastic miniatures) is separate from the license to produce metal miniatures.

Heck, if we're going to go with whimsical speculation, maybe it's Palladium Books that's actually our secret, mustache twirling adversary. They were the ones turning out Robotech miniatures.  They could be upset that iron wind metals is turning out passable alternatives at reasonable prices that aren't unnecessarily complicated to assemble. :D

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #51 on: 31 May 2017, 00:34:54 »
Are they still making those minis?? Haven't seen much selection around anywhere.

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« Reply #52 on: 31 May 2017, 01:46:56 »
Are they still making those minis?? Haven't seen much selection around anywhere.

I honestly don't know. I don't recall Palladium officially discontinuing them, but then again, it's Palladium Books, the Patron Saint of unkeepable promises.
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #53 on: 31 May 2017, 09:51:58 »
Are they still making those minis?? Haven't seen much selection around anywhere.

They are still in retail, but I am skeptical of any new production. The saga of Palladium's Robotech minis is a subject for its own thread.
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #54 on: 31 May 2017, 16:45:04 »
With all the sturm and drang

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #56 on: 02 June 2017, 00:37:12 »
My paranoia has been triggered. The backer beta of the Battletech computer game (released today) contains no Robotech derived mechs in it. No Warhammers, Marauders, Archers, Phoenix Hawks, Stingers or Wasps.

Others who have dug through the files have found a larger list of mechs, presumably mechs to be included in the final game. Still no robotech derived mechs  (there are former unseens, but none that came from Robotech).

Maybe it means nothing. Maybe it doesn't reflect on the unspecified problems with the wasp and valkyrie minis, and yet...

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #57 on: 02 June 2017, 01:09:44 »
I thought the exact same thing Liam. Considering HBS is using PGI assets and the Marauder/Warhammer/Phoenix Hawk art already is out there. It just smells fishy.
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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #58 on: 02 June 2017, 03:24:28 »
Are the Warhammers, Marauders, P. Hawks still in MWO??

And when did MWO get the Stinger and Wasp anyway??

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Re: Any News on the Vakyrie?
« Reply #59 on: 02 June 2017, 05:48:57 »
Are the Warhammers, Marauders, P. Hawks still in MWO??

Yes, still there. But for example the PGI Marauder isn't as closer as the CGL Classic was to the Unseen....

And when did MWO get the Stinger and Wasp anyway??

Nope, timeline jump to 3067 incoming for MWO so they are moving towards other designs :(

 

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