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« Reply #930 on: 17 September 2016, 04:11:50 »
Actually, they didn't. Sun Tzu had a chance to nominate a single faction to be vetted to join the second Star League, and chose to nominate the Taurians. And even they weren't formally inducted until 3067 in order to attempt to stave off the collapse of the second Star League.

They did ally themselves with one of the factions in the Star League, and were oddly part of several actions of the Star League (Danai dying on Huntress, partially due to Victor's incompetence, and Naomi being on the panel that judged Kali Liao for the Black May attacks), but never joined, or were even vetted to join.

Though to be fair, even when the first Star League attacked, they weren't the only ones fighting back :)

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« Reply #931 on: 17 September 2016, 11:14:58 »
I know that their determination to not join the first Star League was writer fiat to drive the "Fall of the Star League and technology in general" plot along, but it still mystifies me that the Canopians of all the realms would refuse League membership.  Their economy was heavily driven by exports and foreign cash.  You would think that they would want the highest level of access to SL markets as a stimulus to the economy.  Furthermore, their national character wasn't xenophobic like the Taurans or Amish-like as the Outworlders.  To no small degree, the Canopian lifestyle was welcoming of outsiders (and their cash).

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« Reply #932 on: 17 September 2016, 13:00:06 »
I'm not that surprised. The Canopians more likely that not had absolutely no problem with foreigners and their cash. They just thought they could get access to the cash without the entanglements of joining the Star League.

And there's also the question of just how they would join the Star League. After all, its not like the Periphery nations were courted as the Star League was being formed, which would (theoretically) put them on an even keel with the 6 Inner Sphere factions. Instead, the Star League formed BEFORE the Periphery nations were invited to join. This most likely meant they were going to join as subservient partners (or atleast seem like it). And this probably rankled their pride somewhat.

Maybe if Cameron had courted the Periphery as hard as he courted the other Houses BEFORE the formation of the Star League, he might have been able to avoid the Reunification War, but instead it was a matter of "We created this new clubhouse without you, now join or die."

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« Reply #933 on: 17 September 2016, 14:28:50 »
I was referencing the original Star League. I fell out of things after the 3060s started swinging in and it started getting goofy to me. The politics was cool, but the tech started getting nutty and overly convoluted next to the way things had always been. Maybe it was just me.
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« Reply #934 on: 17 September 2016, 18:37:47 »
I was referencing the original Star League. I fell out of things after the 3060s started swinging in and it started getting goofy to me. The politics was cool, but the tech started getting nutty and overly convoluted next to the way things had always been. Maybe it was just me.
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« Reply #935 on: 17 September 2016, 18:41:11 »
And there's also the question of just how they would join the Star League. After all, its not like the Periphery nations were courted as the Star League was being formed, which would (theoretically) put them on an even keel with the 6 Inner Sphere factions. Instead, the Star League formed BEFORE the Periphery nations were invited to join. This most likely meant they were going to join as subservient partners (or atleast seem like it). And this probably rankled their pride somewhat.

Maybe if Cameron had courted the Periphery as hard as he courted the other Houses BEFORE the formation of the Star League, he might have been able to avoid the Reunification War, but instead it was a matter of "We created this new clubhouse without you, now join or die."
I think the Re-Unification War sourcebook mentioned that they were invited to the original negotiations, got a lot of language changed in the charter, and then walked out in the end.

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« Reply #936 on: 18 September 2016, 07:17:19 »
Has it ever been explained just what sort of Dropship is generally used by the Pleasure Circuses?  Perhaps converted Dictators?

Magestry Metals apparently has the plans and wherewithal to build the Princess Class, but one of those in it's general configuration wouldn't really be as practical for hosting a full casino and brothel without some modifications.



I also wonder why, if the Canopeans are so well known for their medical skill and equipment, they don't produce MASH units or any other sort of known medical equipment.

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« Reply #937 on: 18 September 2016, 07:21:38 »
I would expect Mules or something similar, not converted military craft.
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« Reply #938 on: 18 September 2016, 12:36:55 »
Dictators are extremely rare as it is and in demand by militaries.  They would have the budgets to buy up those ships that pleasure circus operators could not compete with.  Not considering demand, Mules would still be cheaper, have more cargo space, and would be better configured for entertainment.

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« Reply #939 on: 18 September 2016, 16:29:14 »
Not to mention the Dictator has been extinct in the IS since some point during the Early Succession War (though interesting, the Magistracy was the last Periphery nation to keep a hold of them, so maybe that explains how they got them back in the Jihad era).

If I had to guess, like the others, I'd say refitted cargo vessels. I believe MWDA has a scene in a Pleasure Circus, but I'm not sure the class of vessel is ever mentioned. There could be some of the Princess-class out there that had been refitted, but that might be more problem then its worth.

As for the MASH, who knows. With the MAF on a defensive footing for most of their existence, maybe they thought it was better to rely on local facilities. Or they just couldn't get the vehicle going in their economy.

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« Reply #940 on: 26 September 2016, 01:20:42 »
Or maybe they use refitted other vehicles with MASH units in them.

Like APCs or something.  Rather than the big rigs used in the Inner Sphere?
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« Reply #941 on: 26 September 2016, 02:16:52 »
Maybe. Then again, maybe the ones they had from the Star League era were never really heavily targeted, and the Magistracy just kept the ones they had running, rather than having to produce new ones.

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« Reply #942 on: 26 September 2016, 16:03:47 »
I'm sure that everyone produces them; They're just not high-profile enough that they get mentioned.  It's like making a TRO for sedans.  You could have a small encyclopedia for each world.

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« Reply #943 on: 26 September 2016, 19:13:04 »
TRO Vehicle Annex.  If I understand correctly it sold so badly as to make the House Books look like best sellers...
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« Reply #944 on: 26 September 2016, 20:02:47 »
Just thought I'd toss out some Magestry love: My 1st Canopian Curassiers (If I have posted these before, I crave your pardons)

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« Reply #945 on: 26 September 2016, 21:28:54 »
Nice to see them. And nice to see someone pull off yellow without it going orange or too bright to distinguish anything.

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« Reply #946 on: 27 September 2016, 02:36:26 »
Yeah...good job on that.
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« Reply #947 on: 27 September 2016, 05:44:12 »
They do look great but I can't take the credit. A friend of mine from Akron did the work. Yellow with silver highlights. Its really amazing.
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« Reply #948 on: 27 September 2016, 16:32:42 »
They are most impressive.  Thank you for sharing. O0

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« Reply #949 on: 29 July 2018, 20:31:11 »
The table of contents for Shattered Sphere has just been posted, and it looks like the MoC will be seeing some action in response to the Marians. So, I'm warming this thread up.

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« Reply #950 on: 07 August 2018, 16:51:27 »
When can we start talking about what happened in Shattered Fortress?

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« Reply #951 on: 07 August 2018, 17:43:58 »
bout four days ago. Got attckd, beat off attack and captured two MH worlds in the bargain.
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« Reply #952 on: 10 August 2018, 11:00:47 »
There is a line in Shattered Fortress about how purple is the new green in Magistracy court fashions - a subtle hint that Ilsa's alliance with Andurien and poaching of independent ex-FWL worlds might be changing the power equation with the CapCon some.


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« Reply #953 on: 10 August 2018, 20:23:17 »
I was under the impression that the power equation with the CapCon has been that Daoshen is Ilsa's puppet. 8)

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« Reply #954 on: 11 August 2018, 11:24:48 »
I was under the impression that the power equation with the CapCon has been that Daoshen is Ilsa's puppet. 8)

Well, we know that, sure, but outside of Ilsa I would have wagered there were very few people willing to say it out loud. Until now.


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« Reply #955 on: 11 August 2018, 13:26:58 »
So, with the Taurians on the rise, are you guys ready for twenty years of downfall? Lots of story telling to be had. The Canopians seem to be asking for it in Shattered Fortress.

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« Reply #956 on: 11 August 2018, 15:58:37 »
Given the MoC's distance from the majority of the action, I think it has better survival prospects.  Considering the irony value of Canopus growing in power, I see better times ahead for the MoC than the average faction.  However, I expect to see everyone beaten up to one degree or another.

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« Reply #957 on: 11 August 2018, 18:15:39 »
I'd say the Magistry is close enough to the Free Worlds League, and they've been doing much at the Free World's expense as of late. The Magistry's luck may end. Imagine what would happen if the Free Worlds can direct it's attention to MoC while the Confederation is battling out near Terra?

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« Reply #958 on: 11 August 2018, 21:17:59 »
They'll go after Andurien first. If they act as a serious threat to the MoC, then the Capellans will have to respond.  The FWL already realizes that they cannot afford hostilities with the Cappies, especially with the Wolves on the border.

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« Reply #959 on: 11 August 2018, 22:40:31 »
I'm sure Nichol can convince Julian to attack the Capellans when she wants to go after Canopus, if necessary. She may not need to. The Wolves and the Confederation are involved in the race for Terra and the Confederation is using no small number of Canopean troops in their drive.  Canopus isn't as protected as you think. It won't be a walk in the park, and I think the end results of any war would be to sever ties with the Duchy of Andurien and then surrender all former FWL worlds. Something the Magistry can agree to, should push come to shove. Nothing existential, just a black mark and a whack on the wrist.