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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #60 on: 26 March 2014, 18:45:05 »
Now can you solve the issue without resorting to a custom?
Assign a coolant truck to follow the Atlas around?

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #61 on: 26 March 2014, 18:52:49 »
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #62 on: 26 March 2014, 20:47:47 »
I've always seen the Atlas as something you use when you want to yell "You shall not pass!!"

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I've seen several recommendations to use the Atlas, particularly the AS7-D as a command mech.  Which can work.  It is fluffed to have a very good comm system, able to reach orbit.  The armor is superb, and the armament can work as a command mech.  In that you can plink away with the LRM rack, while devoting most of your attention to managing the battle.  The rest of the weapon suite has considerable punch if a leaker gets in to gank the commander.

However, that feels like a waste of firepower.  Has anyone considered a Kerensky assignment configuration?  Give the Atlas to your CO's bodyguard, and put the commander in a different command mech, like say an Orion.  The attention will still go to the Atlas, but let the commander avoid taking fire for a while.  The LRMs let the bodyguard contribute to the overall fight, but lets him focus on watching the Commander's back, and swatting any enemy rude enough to interrupt him with the short range battery.

If necessary the CO can send his bodyguard forward to break an enemy's strong point with the Atlas's massive armor and firepower, while not risking integrity of command like if he was in the Atlas himself.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #63 on: 27 March 2014, 00:45:13 »
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However, that feels like a waste of firepower.  Has anyone considered a Kerensky assignment configuration?  Give the Atlas to your CO's bodyguard, and put the commander in a different command mech, like say an Orion.  The attention will still go to the Atlas, but let the commander avoid taking fire for a while.  The LRMs let the bodyguard contribute to the overall fight, but lets him focus on watching the Commander's back, and swatting any enemy rude enough to interrupt him with the short range battery.

If necessary the CO can send his bodyguard forward to break an enemy's strong point with the Atlas's massive armor and firepower, while not risking integrity of command like if he was in the Atlas himself.

Yes, I had that idea a week ago:
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #64 on: 27 March 2014, 01:01:33 »
Is one reason why most of the 3050+ Atlas variants are sub-par is the insistence on keeping all the big guns in the torso?  After all, that's the way the AS7-D did it, and most of the new models have stuck with that paradigm, despite the drawbacks it seems to induce.  The Atlas II, however, departs from it, and just look at the results...

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« Reply #65 on: 27 March 2014, 03:43:39 »
Part of the problem is that the 3050 Kurita Atlases are crit packed. If you do a simple swap to DHS, there's no way you have room for the heat sinks. You can drop a bunch of the heat sinks (down to 14), but then you're stuck with 6 tons left over, and few crits to play around with. You could spam in a bunch of MPLs, but its kind of boring...

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« Reply #66 on: 27 March 2014, 04:10:13 »
Part of the problem is that the 3050 Kurita Atlases are crit packed. If you do a simple swap to DHS, there's no way you have room for the heat sinks. You can drop a bunch of the heat sinks (down to 14), but then you're stuck with 6 tons left over, and few crits to play around with. You could spam in a bunch of MPLs, but its kind of boring...

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and everything else is as it was - actually it has more Gauss ammo and more LRM ammo (I considered it to be a useful thing for such slow 'Mech).

Oh yes, the infamous problem of DHS for the DCMS ...
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #67 on: 27 March 2014, 04:57:54 »
Part of the problem is that the 3050 Kurita Atlases are crit packed. If you do a simple swap to DHS, there's no way you have room for the heat sinks. You can drop a bunch of the heat sinks (down to 14), but then you're stuck with 6 tons left over, and few crits to play around with. You could spam in a bunch of MPLs, but its kind of boring...
You can drop some of the heat sinks on the AS7-K and the problem almost solves it self

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« Reply #68 on: 27 March 2014, 07:33:56 »
You can drop some of the heat sinks on the AS7-K and the problem almost solves it self

Or you can take the "Panther solution" and downgrade the ER LLs to standard models.  Yes you lose range, but you don't lose damage and the heat can be much better controlled.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #69 on: 27 March 2014, 13:07:17 »
Or you can take the "Panther solution" and downgrade the ER LLs to standard models.  Yes you lose range, but you don't lose damage and the heat can be much better controlled.

cheers,

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I'll have to tinker sometime with a halfway measure of switching to PPCs to use up the extra weight- no idea if I can get it to work, just a musing while I'm reading this, but twin standard PPCs and a Gauss? I'd run like hell from that in 3050.
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« Reply #70 on: 27 March 2014, 14:16:40 »
You're getting close to Pillager/Devastator territory at that point.

Besides, if you're going to go for IS PPCs, there's the Titan.
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« Reply #71 on: 27 March 2014, 14:36:10 »
I'll have to tinker sometime with a halfway measure of switching to PPCs to use up the extra weight- no idea if I can get it to work, just a musing while I'm reading this, but twin standard PPCs and a Gauss? I'd run like hell from that in 3050.

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« Reply #72 on: 27 March 2014, 15:04:17 »
Well, it took the Elsies 12 more years, but the AS7-S3 fields exactly that.
One could even go the way of Atlas "Samsonov".

Replace AC-20 with Gauss Rifle and CASE and you could even reduce the number of SHS (to 20 or 21) - and you would have approximately four or five tons for weapons or equipment. Medium lasers maybe (for covering the minimum range).

And all this with Standard Engine and great durability.
Very cheap, easy maintenance ...

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« Reply #73 on: 27 March 2014, 15:09:25 »
Martian hit on my thinking- if we already had an Atlas in the DCMS packing twin PPCs, why not make that your go-to configuration for an upgrade? (With DHS, natch)

Granted, no idea if it would work, but it would be a hell of an improvement over the 7K.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #74 on: 27 March 2014, 15:30:37 »
One could even go the way of Atlas "Samsonov".

Replace AC-20 with Gauss Rifle and CASE and you could even reduce the number of SHS (to 20 or 21) - and you would have approximately four or five tons for weapons or equipment. Medium lasers maybe (for covering the minimum range).

And all this with Standard Engine and great durability.
Very cheap, easy maintenance ...

Or pop in a C3 master for great targeting bonuses (using your mates to get you short range targeting data!)
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #75 on: 27 March 2014, 15:44:56 »
People... let's not do this.  We're here to talk about the Atlas as it is.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #76 on: 27 March 2014, 15:51:50 »
People... let's not do this.  We're here to talk about the Atlas as it is.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #77 on: 27 March 2014, 15:58:49 »
Is Atlas III going to gets its own article or is it considered part of the original Atlas family?
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #78 on: 27 March 2014, 15:59:00 »
People... let's not do this.

I agree. In canon, the DCA stole all DHS destined originally for the DCMS (Panther, Atlas, Jenner)

... We're here to talk about the Atlas as it is.

What do you think about AS7-Dr?

I would say it's a quite reasonable refit. Perhaps the only thing I would change would be replacing its C3 slave for some anti-infantry or anti-BA weapon.

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« Reply #79 on: 27 March 2014, 16:02:47 »
Is Atlas III going to gets its own article or is it considered part of the original Atlas family?

The OP mentions it only in the last paragraph, so I would say this 'Mech will get its own MotW article.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #80 on: 27 March 2014, 16:27:47 »
I agree. In canon, the DCA stole all DHS destined originally for the DCMS (Panther, Atlas, Jenner)

What do you think about AS7-Dr?

I would say it's a quite reasonable refit. Perhaps the only thing I would change would be replacing its C3 slave for some anti-infantry or anti-BA weapon.
Probably the direction the Lyran's should have gone with the K2 vs a bigger engine.

Love swapping out the AC for the Heavy PPC, doesn't loose much in firepower and a big gain in range. 

Not a fan of C3 myself but I can see the benefits when for indirect fire. (Edit: never mind, SCC corrected me on this)

The only drawback I see is (correct me if I'm wrong) that it still uses SHS...


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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #81 on: 27 March 2014, 16:33:29 »
Not a fan of C3 myself but I can see the benefits when for indirect fire.
C3 doesn't help IDF

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #82 on: 27 March 2014, 16:38:57 »
C3 doesn't help IDF
....  :P There goes the only reason I would use C3 :D

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #83 on: 27 March 2014, 18:17:15 »
Assign a coolant truck to follow the Atlas around?
Now I have the mental image of this coolant truck parked next to an Atlas, spraying water all over it with a hose, while the Atlas is making these typical movie girl is getting sprayed with water while washing the car poses.

It's moments like these I wish I could draw. :-\

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« Reply #84 on: 27 March 2014, 18:47:23 »
Now I have the mental image of this coolant truck parked next to an Atlas, spraying water all over it with a hose, while the Atlas is making these typical movie girl is getting sprayed with water while washing the car poses.

It's moments like these I wish I could draw. :-\

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #85 on: 27 March 2014, 18:48:02 »
But, thankfully, you can't  O:-)
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #86 on: 27 March 2014, 19:26:39 »
Now I have the mental image of this coolant truck parked next to an Atlas, spraying water all over it with a hose, while the Atlas is making these typical movie girl is getting sprayed with water while washing the car poses.

I think I'm gonna need some hair metal to play the next time I run an Atlas... ;D
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« Reply #87 on: 27 March 2014, 20:44:52 »
I think I'm gonna need some hair metal to play the next time I run an Atlas... ;D

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #88 on: 27 March 2014, 20:46:02 »
Realization: I'd already planned to paint "Metal Queen" on my Atlas III whenever I get around to painting it...
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS*-* Atlas
« Reply #89 on: 27 March 2014, 21:33:41 »
Nothing against the Atlas, but I think I'd prefer seeing an Eyleuka get doused in water.
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