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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #60 on: 01 June 2014, 07:34:29 »
KGC-010- Yes, and just because it was designed to be a command make doesn't make me think it is a good one.

Cyclops- Commanders don't coordinate entire brigades. They lead. Their Operations/Comms officer does the coordinating. Again, Brian Cameron shows how a Cyclops is used to its fullest.

IIRC, the original fluff for the command console says quite the opposite--the secondary pilot drives the 'Mech, while the commander concentrates on his monitors, presumably coordinating the battle.

Also, if memory serves, Ariana Winston commanded the ELH from a Cyclops.  How did she use it again?

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #61 on: 01 June 2014, 12:52:27 »
An Atlas III, Cyclops, an Awesome and any well armored LRM Missile boat would make a great command lance. Commander, O3 and two bodyguards.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #62 on: 12 March 2015, 16:06:10 »
Inserted an update to deal with the Founder's variant.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #63 on: 16 March 2015, 20:04:20 »
Inserted an update to deal with the Founder's variant.
Where is that variant from?
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #64 on: 17 March 2015, 00:30:15 »
Where is that variant from?
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #65 on: 07 November 2017, 00:06:12 »
Do we have any cannon images of nicks mech the one with the guass? Did it retain the hand or was it rifle only like the highlander?

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #66 on: 07 November 2017, 02:23:44 »
Do we have any cannon images of nicks mech the one with the guass? Did it retain the hand or was it rifle only like the highlander?

Only image we have is from Clans: Warriors of Kerensky, but that pre-dates the Atlas II's introduction...


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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #67 on: 07 November 2017, 08:49:45 »
Don't have my books handy, might one of the early Clan sourcebooks like Golden Century, Widowmaker Absorption, or even Klondike have something?
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #68 on: 08 November 2017, 04:01:14 »
Widowmaker Absorption Turning Points has his Atlas II's stats. It's not the Gauss variant, rather the base model swapped with Clantech and electronics.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #69 on: 08 November 2017, 05:55:44 »
I really never rated the Atlas II - there are mechs that are faster, have the same if not similar armament (ok not the same armour) at 3/4 of the weight - Toyama for one. I just never rated it. It felt like a downgrade, swapping out the AC20 of the original Atlas or the Gauss of the 3050 Atlas for an LB10X. The Atlas II was just imho... meh. The SLDF book mentioned an Atlas II so it had to be created but they could've made it so much better.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #70 on: 08 November 2017, 11:45:55 »
I remember reading somewhere that the Atlas II's designer was going for something halfway between the classic Atlas and the MW:AoD Atlas (which would eventually become the Atlas III).
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #71 on: 08 November 2017, 14:17:54 »
I remember reading somewhere that the Atlas II's designer was going for something halfway between the classic Atlas and the MW:AoD Atlas (which would eventually become the Atlas III).

Only AoD didn't existed when TRO: 3075 was published in 2008.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #72 on: 08 November 2017, 15:07:02 »
Only AoD didn't existed when TRO: 3075 was published in 2008.

Sure it did, released in 2005.

Atlas II was initially designed to be exactly the AoD Atlas and the MechAssault visuals were only used late in the production.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #73 on: 08 November 2017, 18:06:05 »
I really never rated the Atlas II - there are mechs that are faster, have the same if not similar armament (ok not the same armour) at 3/4 of the weight - Toyama for one. I just never rated it. It felt like a downgrade, swapping out the AC20 of the original Atlas or the Gauss of the 3050 Atlas for an LB10X. The Atlas II was just imho... meh. The SLDF book mentioned an Atlas II so it had to be created but they could've made it so much better.

The LB-10X is one of the best guns in the game . . . I think the SRM is sort of the headscratcher when you have a critseeker like the LBX since they perform most of the same roles.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #74 on: 09 November 2017, 02:18:10 »
Sure it did, released in 2005.

Atlas II was initially designed to be exactly the AoD Atlas and the MechAssault visuals were only used late in the production.

Yeah, I got my dates really screwed up and forgot WK died in 2008 (they apparently got better) that was after AoD. I also forgot TRO: 3075 was a CGL product :P

 
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #75 on: 09 November 2017, 04:29:24 »
It is just me, or is the Atlas 4 and 5 going to end up with Light Autocannons and then down to machine guns?  I thought it was supposed to be scarier the later the model number,  not more anemic?

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #76 on: 09 November 2017, 08:07:00 »
The LB-10X is one of the best guns in the game . . . I think the SRM is sort of the headscratcher when you have a critseeker like the LBX since they perform most of the same roles.

The LB 10-X is great for critseeking, but it can't fire Inferno, Smoke, or Tear Gas rounds the way the SRM can. ;)

And standard SRM ammo inflicts 2 points of damage instead of 1, which might be a benefit.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #77 on: 09 November 2017, 11:30:06 »
I really never rated the Atlas II - there are mechs that are faster, have the same if not similar armament (ok not the same armour) at 3/4 of the weight - Toyama for one. I just never rated it. It felt like a downgrade, swapping out the AC20 of the original Atlas or the Gauss of the 3050 Atlas for an LB10X. The Atlas II was just imho... meh. The SLDF book mentioned an Atlas II so it had to be created but they could've made it so much better.
Yeah, the Atlas II doesn't produce the same level of viseral dread you get from AC/20 wrapped in a Firemoth worth of armor. On the other hand, it can affect a lot more of the battlefield, for a longer period of time. As comparing with with the AS7-K.  Heat sinks.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #78 on: 09 November 2017, 12:25:38 »
Yeah, the Atlas II doesn't produce the same level of viseral dread you get from AC/20 wrapped in a Firemoth worth of armor. On the other hand, it can affect a lot more of the battlefield, for a longer period of time. As comparing with with the AS7-K.  Heat sinks.

I completely agree. The Atlas II is a sandblaster of a machine, it'll bb you to death, but if the Atlas was the "dread machine" that it was created to be surely the II should be *MORE*. I think the original Atlas (and to a lesser extent Clan Invasion and post Invasion - not because its a bad machine, but its just that there are other scarier or as scary mechs out there) mechs should be one that inspires fear. Pre 3050 anyone coming up against an Atlas would be ... "nope not going anywhere near that thing". With the Atlas II its more a "Well I can maybe hang a round or two before getting a few crits". The Atlas II should've been "well... lets team up against it and when I mean that I mean the whole lance against it"

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #79 on: 09 November 2017, 21:18:28 »
I really never rated the Atlas II - there are mechs that are faster, have the same if not similar armament (ok not the same armour) at 3/4 of the weight - Toyama for one. I just never rated it. It felt like a downgrade, swapping out the AC20 of the original Atlas or the Gauss of the 3050 Atlas for an LB10X. The Atlas II was just imho... meh. The SLDF book mentioned an Atlas II so it had to be created but they could've made it so much better.

Yeah, the Atlas II doesn't produce the same level of viseral dread you get from AC/20 wrapped in a Firemoth worth of armor. On the other hand, it can affect a lot more of the battlefield, for a longer period of time. As comparing with with the AS7-K.  Heat sinks.

It is for these times of hole punching necessity that one looks at the Atlas-II-H2 for 22/23 hexes of Gauss/ERPPC love.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #80 on: 11 November 2017, 22:29:11 »
And standard SRM ammo inflicts 2 points of damage instead of 1, which might be a benefit.
Yep, Ferro-Lamuar can defeat the LB-X and the SRM has a better weight-to-damage ratio.

Also note that you can set things up so that an SRM has a -3 to-hit and +4 on the cluster hits table, the LB-X can only replicate the first of these.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #81 on: 13 November 2017, 19:38:52 »
I dislike the arms on the Atlas II would the arms of the new highlanders fit ok?

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #82 on: 14 November 2017, 19:47:04 »
It is just me, or is the Atlas 4 and 5 going to end up with Light Autocannons and then down to machine guns?  I thought it was supposed to be scarier the later the model number,  not more anemic?

The Atlas III is an ideal commanders ride though. Remeber those are streak LRMs so if you hit you are inflicting a PSR at upwards of 20 hexes. The RAC is a vehicle and Battle armor killer at PPC range with a deep ammo bin.  Most importantly those shields allow you to totally cover the torso and weapons not yet in play. Short version, the mech screams “Pay attention to me! Cause I will be here a while!”

And then there is the more combat oriented HAG version... *shudders*
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #83 on: 14 November 2017, 20:07:11 »
Its probably the big gun mindset for me then.  I'd think from AC20/Meds then to Lgs /PPC and Gauss, then PPCs/Ultra/LBX and maybe Hvy PPC/Hvy gauss would be a logical progression for the main guns for the Atlas series. 

Even if the original Atlas was more evened with say 2 Larges and a AC10, that could have been a interesting medium brawler with better battlefield loiter times.

The Atlas III is an ideal commanders ride though. Remeber those are streak LRMs so if you hit you are inflicting a PSR at upwards of 20 hexes. The RAC is a vehicle and Battle armor killer at PPC range with a deep ammo bin.  Most importantly those shields allow you to totally cover the torso and weapons not yet in play. Short version, the mech screams “Pay attention to me! Cause I will be here a while!”

And then there is the more combat oriented HAG version... *shudders*

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« Reply #84 on: 14 November 2017, 20:44:32 »
It takes some different thinking, but the III is a success as a neon pink billboard to draw attention and keep it, cause it is more then capable of fighting back.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #85 on: 14 November 2017, 20:54:27 »
The Atlas III is an ideal commanders ride though. Remeber those are streak LRMs so if you hit you are inflicting a PSR at upwards of 20 hexes. The RAC is a vehicle and Battle armor killer at PPC range with a deep ammo bin.  Most importantly those shields allow you to totally cover the torso and weapons not yet in play. Short version, the mech screams “Pay attention to me! Cause I will be here a while!”

And then there is the more combat oriented HAG version... *shudders*
JPArbiter is right, the III needs a major rethink before you take one into battle.

Perhaps I'm it's the fluff of being a commander's ride that makes me want to play it more defensively.  The torso mounted weapons should be reversed.  That way, you can make full use of one shield and still attack across the range envelope.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: AS7-D-H* Atlas II
« Reply #86 on: 17 November 2017, 13:26:59 »
I'd also see the Atlas II being issued to Royal Regimental Commanders and the like.  The fluff tends to describe the Atlas' family as having large cockpits with plenty of elbow room in them.  So the Atlas II could then have extra MFD's, enhanced com systems etc, all worked into that space to give a Regimental commander a better sense of what's going on. 

But we also know that the Atlas II at its time of inception was rare as all hell, so it would also make sense that they be given to commanders etc.  The Atlas-7D or equivalent, thats your big bod assaulter, but the Atlas 2 is the command unit.
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