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Warship of the Month - Lola III Class Destroyer.
« on: 28 November 2015, 07:52:55 »
Lola III Class destroyer.

Class - Destroyer
Mass 680,000 tonnes
Length - 653 meters.
Crew compliment - 250 in SLDF service, 288 in Clan service.

Background

The Lola Class first entered production in 2345 with the Flight (or Block) I Lola DD, named after the now deceased Admiral Adelaide Lola the Lola I's were large warships for their time and for their class coming in at 680,000 tonnes per ship. This weight was due to a new armour scheme layout that seems to be more like the ancient surface ship 'torpedo bulkheads' where the outer hull was a thin layer of plating designed to take the initial impact or heat of a hit. Behind the outer hull was a small void space and then the projectile would encounter the main armoured hull.

The idea being that the initial impact with the outer hull would rob the hit of some of its momentum or energy before being denied or dissipated by the main hull's armour. Whilst the outer hull could be damaged the main hull would protect the ships vitals and leave only superficial damage on the exterior. This armour scheme whilst effective was both bulky and heavy which lead to the Destroyer massing as much as some light cruisers.

The Lola II was unfortunately a disaster, and whilst built on the same hull as the earlier block I's the II's experienced constant and in some cases catastrophic failures of their fueling systems which lead to the Block II's being decommissioned and either scrapped or used as target hulks.

Their replacement the Lola III was commissioned in 2662 and was again a variation of the classic Lola hull with its mass and size being near identical although to reach a suitable acceleration curve the designers at Blue Nosed Clipper Ships fitted the class with four massive Rolls Le Fay drives that were meant for cruisers. This in turn cut down on the space available for the crew as a good portion of the ship was filled with the engines and their associated systems making the Lola's cramped and uncomfortable to serve on, a fact only made worse by the fact that the Lola's as a whole lacked any form of grav deck's although they can create gravity by simply starting a roll or just accelerate to generate gravity.

Destroyers carry out a wide range of roles, whilst the SLDF used Frigates and Corvettes as either lone picket ships or border patrol squadrons Destroyers were general purpose workhorses acting as anything from glorified transports and convoy escorts or patrol vessels to part of a battle group screening a larger and more valuable capital ship to gunboats.  It’s a personal feeling that with their lack of a grav deck the Lola’s are not really suited for long patrols despite their huge cargo bays (which I assume would be mostly full of ammo loads, fuel, foodstuffs and spares).  This limits their use to either a gunboat role or that of part of a larger battleground where they would act as a screening unit for battleships and cruisers with other vessels of their class whilst Frigates and Corvettes with their enhanced sensor arrays would act as the eyes for the flotilla.  In times of war you might also expect to see Lola’s grouped together in squadrons of their own that would operate in a hunter killer role.

Built in their hundreds the Lola III remained a frontline ship alongside the newer (if cheaper) Essex class destroyer until the fall of the Star League where their durability and large numbers saw the Lola III become one of the most common ships in the Exodus Fleet and then the Clans who did little to modify them save enlarging their aerospace capacity to 10 fighters and 4 small craft as well as fitting a LF Battery at a small cost to their massive cargo capacity.
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It should also be noted that the Lola hull was the basis for the M5 CASPAR drone, the main element of the Regan SDS and the cause of so many casualties amongst the SLDF. Without any requirements for crew aboard the M5 Drone was far more heavily armed than the standard Lola III hull with firepower comparable to a battlecruiser on a destroyer's hull whilst retaining the same protection, SI and thrust properties of the Lola III hull.

Design

To be as protected, fast and well-armed as she is the Lola sacrifices a fair bit, she has no dropship collars and carries 6 aerospace fighters and a mere 4 small craft. Everything else is given over to the weapons and a somewhat massive 117,118 tonne cargo bay. With 322 tonnes of armour giving the ship 48 points on all locations she's better protected than the later Essex, Baron, Naga and Carson classes but this isn’t much and a mere 6 points of damage is needed to threshold her armour and start damaging her rather weak 50 points of structural integrity so the Lola III is definitely not well protected and you should not rely on her armour scheme to ensure her survivability..

The ships four massive engines work against her mass to give her a 4/6 movement profile which whilst not massive it does allow her to pivot, roll and flip far better than slower vessels who simply lack the ability to twist and turn to bring new arcs to bare as one is damaged and whilst not as ‘fast’ as more modern vessels the Lola has one of the highest thrust ratings of ships in Clan service.

The armament of the Lola III is where she really shines and she's not limited to broadside fighting either. The main long range punch comes from a fearsome battery of NL55's the largest of their type available. These are spread as following with two in the nose, three on the front left and right arcs and four firing astern. It should be noted that all the batteries are capable of bracketing fire and this makes the Lola quite a threat at long range if she managed to point her nose at you as she could then hit you with five NL55's.  And whilst these are rather weak weapons the capacity to inflict damage at long range and still retain some bracketing ability whilst shooting and closing with a hostile target.

A pair of White Shark launchers, one fitted in the front left and right arc's respectively also add to the long range frontal firepower and give it a good chance of causing a crit with a hit as well as doing a heavy wallop to fighters inbound on the Lola.

Trying to avoid the frontal batteries also brings the ships broadside to bare and you then wander into the arc of its main and long ranged guns a quartet of NAC-10’s.  Because they are mounted in a four strong battery you can bracket fire with them and get a -3 bonus to hit and still cause sold damage.  These are the Lola’s real ship killing weapons and if she exposes her broadside she can bring two of these gun batteries into action as you will see in a moment.

The two broadside arc's each mount four NAC-10's as does the aft left and right arcs, again allowing for bracketing fire whilst delivering a fearsome punch when both batteries are brought to bare on targets. The left and right broadsides also feature a single NL45 and a pair of Barracuda launchers for added punch against fighters and this is really their main role, operating as long range SAM’s as their light damage and poor crit chance against warships limits their use against larger vessels.

The aft left and right as mentioned mount NAC-10's in a four-gun battery and another NL45 and truth be told I'm not sure what use the single NL is other than harassing fire or being a threat to a small dropship.  Once again the quartet of NAC-10’s are the Lola’s main punch and when you angle her correctly you can subject a foe to the fury of all eight guns which would be unpleasant in any regard.

The aft arc mounts a meaty quartet of NL55's giving the Lola III a nasty tail sting whilst another Barracuda launcher rounds out the armament and adds some more anti-fighter punch.

Well.. not quite, there's the matter of the Lola's aerospace compliment. The SLDF version carried six fighters whilst in Clan service the launch bay was expanded to carry a full Star of ten fighters. Whilst you could use these as a long range striking weapon (depending on what fighters you loaded the ship with) they are probably best used as a roving CAP to protect her from hostile fighters and any nukes they might be carrying. The Lola like all SLDF warships is utterly lacking in point defence weapons (or they have small defensive weapons batteries that barely trouble an attacking craft) and unlike later built post Revival Warships they lack any form of AMS and in this case your best form of AMS is not letting fighters get close enough to launch a nuclear surprise at you and here the aerospace assets on a Lola represent its first line of defence against such attack.

Still despite her weak protection the Lola III can absorb multiple Alamo hits unless you’re unlucky and I’m told that the fighter of choice for a Lola should be the Hellcat II a medium fighter that was almost totally exclusive to the SLDF and who’s active probe could help reduce a hostile ECM bubble.  This can improve the Lola’s targeting modifications by up to 3 and make it easier for her to hit a ship at long range with her NAC and NL batteries.

'Back in the day' when the SLDF was at its height, you would not ever see one Lola, it would be part of a screen defending important warships like battleships or transports and here the lack of short ranged defences does not really matter when three or four Lola's turn their guns on approaching fighters and start bracketing like mad whilst volleying missiles. In the modern era where ships operate for the most part as single units outside of major engagements a Lola is far more dependent on other escorting assets like friendly dropships or aerospace fighters.


Using and defeating one.

The Lola's long range lasers mean that it can quite happily start plinking away from extreme range whilst still being able to bracket with its guns and  whilst NL's are not the most powerful of weapons unless massed together in HUGE batteries *pointed looks at the Leviathan III* the weapons on the Lola can wear down a hostile ship and allow the Lola to get in a few early hits which could swing a battle in its favour.  This can force an opponent into charging you to try close the range at which point their ECM and fire control systems become more exposed to crits making hitting harder and being easier targets for the Lola's guns. As the range then drops turn and start broadsiding. With eight NAC-10's, two NL45s and three NL55's in addition to a pair of Barracuda and single White Shark missile launcher not much is going to survive that kind of pounding especially as a Lola can safely bracket fire to get some rather nasty bonuses to hit. Even a cruiser has to be weary of the Lola's punch and even modern ships like the Tatsumaki are not going to come off well in a broadside slugging match with a Lola III.

The closest competitor in terms of size for its time was the DCMS Narukami (which you can read about here - http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,35904.msg0.html)  and in theory the Narukami is the superior ship, its got a thicker hide and a heavier throw weight as well as being able to carry 12 fighters to the Lola’s 6 as well as three dropships but she lacks the ability to bracket with her guns to engage at range and her big weapons are shorter ranged than the Lola’s although if it gets in range it will rip a Lola to shreds. 

I think defeating one is a matter of accepting that you're going to take a pounding on the approach and work to ensure the Lola can't dictate the distance of the engagement, if you let her flit around at extreme range blazing away with her NL55's then to quote a certain skeleton 'you're gonna have a bad time.' Especially if you’re in a slower vessel that simply can’t turn with the Lola or generate the thrust to match hers.  The other obvious way of doing it is with aerospace fighters, all SLDF era vessels have issues with fighter swarms and the Lola's no exception, but this is boring, we want to see warships trading punches, not a rhino taken down by hornets!

Because SLDF ships were built and designed to operate in large squadrons, their vulnerability to small ships was covered by massed guns and their onboard fighter compliments, nowadays a lone Lola can be overwhelmed by hostile fighters and dropships who can take advantage of her thin armour and rather light structural integrity.

If you’re fighting back in SLDF times or a large scale battle then its not the one Lola you’ve got to worry about too much, its her three friends, and the capital ship they are escorting that you want to be really worried about.




The original Lola design as it was in service with the SLDF prior to the alteration's to the classes hull in Clan service.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/b/b8/LolaIII.jpg 

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/c/cf/CBS_Blood_Fury.jpg

The Lola III after the hull alterations made by the Clans when they swapped out their hull armour for lighter compounds as well as refitted their interiors and engines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LemG0cvc4oU  The song that gets in my head every time I see this ships name mentioned.



As always thoughts, ideas and feedback are most welcome! This is my first Warship of the Month article and i'd love to know what people think.

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Re: Warship of the Month - Lola III Class Destroyer.
« Reply #1 on: 28 November 2015, 15:27:50 »
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I liked it a lot - very nice run down of a ship I had normally dismissed
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Re: Warship of the Month - Lola III Class Destroyer.
« Reply #2 on: 28 November 2015, 15:39:31 »
Thank you for doing a warship article Marauder648.

Its been while since i thought of this ship.  I admired the earlier Lolas featured in the 3057 Revised TRO, but hadn't taken in possible design quirks that could hobble the older ships. Especially the Lola II.

When i saw the Lola III, bracket fire hadn't existed yet.  I was dispointed how undergun it was in comparison to how weapons were arranged in older TRO: 2750.   

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Re: Warship of the Month - Lola III Class Destroyer.
« Reply #3 on: 28 November 2015, 16:28:48 »
Do they ever give stats for the Caspar Drone variant?

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« Reply #4 on: 28 November 2015, 16:33:25 »
yes.

also, its been established the TRO3057 art for the Lola was not a clan refit, but rather what the Star League designed to Lola III to look like.

in fact they've established nearly all the TRO3057 art was late star league models, not clan refits. (which makes a lot of sense.. since usually the TRO3057 art would require near total rebuilds from the original art.. a rebuild of existing ships would be improbable, but if the ships were built by the star league like that, then the clan refits fall mainly into the realm of weapon swaps and the like, which is easy.)

so this is a Lola III


and this one is a Lola II

(and you can see a Lola I in the background)


and the M-5 Caspar looks like this:
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Re: Warship of the Month - Lola III Class Destroyer.
« Reply #5 on: 28 November 2015, 17:27:40 »
Very nice writeup!

About the only thing I think you missed id's the AA mode for the capital lasers. Switch all those NLs to anti-fighter, and you can punch some big holes in any incoming fighter wing.

To me the Lola exemplifies the SLN's fighting style. It might look underarmored and lacking raw firepower compared to some other ships that size, but when you add in bracketing and AA lasers, a smart Lola captain can easily outfight supposed 'superior' ships, to the point that I'd call a one-on-one fight between a Lola III and a Davion II to be an even match.
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Re: Warship of the Month - Lola III Class Destroyer.
« Reply #6 on: 28 November 2015, 19:07:49 »
Between bracket firing, antifighter mode for the lasers, and capital missiles the Lola III has impressive accuracy. Add in the range of those weapons and you have an escort that can maintain cover on a capital ship from a comfortable distance. That's a good feature for the destroyer's survivability, and it also open maneuvering options for the big ship. More precisely it makes rolling ship to present fresh armor a riskier proposition when you might take a few NAC hits in your wounded side, and nobody like showing their drives to White Shark if they can avoid it.
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« Reply #7 on: 29 November 2015, 02:18:11 »
Using the ER:Star League RATs as an example the Houses deploy Hellcat IIs in fleeting numbers. A Hellcat II is worth -3 in accuracy to a SLDF ship.

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« Reply #8 on: 29 November 2015, 02:19:43 »
I'm glad folks liked the article :) I was a bit nervous but I had help from Jellico who read it before I put it out there and pointed me in the right direction regarding the rules and the like.  Regarding the art, I prefer the look of the 2750 warships (heck i've still got that book :p) and see that as the Lola III's original hull form whilst the redone art (one of the better ones for the reworked art) are in my mind a clan refit of them which saw their hull armour swapped out and a generalised rebuilding of the design.

Because the Clans for the most part had small fleets (and rarely used warships in their intended roles) this would allow them to refit and upgrade ships to the new look but you could expect a mix of the older look and the new in their service.

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« Reply #9 on: 29 November 2015, 05:17:21 »
I generally see the Lola destroyers as being more likely to be found as mobile 'wolf pack' squadrons while the escort role would be filled by slower escort destroyers.

All three incarnations of the Lola have 4/6 drives. The alternatives are the Naga (2/3), Carson (2/3), Baron (2/3) and Essex (3/5), Whirlwind (4/6) and Riga/York (4/6). To me this suggests the Lola fills a 'heavy destroyer' role intended for semi-independent operations in small groups but away from the main fleet, while the larger ships get escort destroyers that can keep up with them but not much more.
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« Reply #10 on: 29 November 2015, 05:53:37 »
That...actually makes sense, perhaps the somewhat later Essex class would be the escort DD/general purpose DD whilst the larger and heavier Lola would operate as the Contre Torpilleur's in French service in WW2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Fantasque-class_destroyer)  larger vessels that acted as both destroyer leaders (probably a role the Sovietskii Soyuz does in SLDF service) and a ship that was designed to take on and destroy other destroyers whilst being able to get away from larger ships by simply out running them. 

A pack of Lola's would be a threat that could not be ignored (see M5 Caspar drones) and in essence with the SLDF's huge numbers and massive industrial base they are kind of expendable so even if a pack tactic entails casualties they can be absorbed.
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« Reply #11 on: 29 November 2015, 07:46:35 »
The drones must've been frightening.
A bit of (hopefully constructive) criticism regarding the style:
In the weapon section, I feel you just, well,  repeat yourself.
You mention the position of the NL55s, then you mention the ships arcs where in the end you mention the aft weapon again. I dunno how to rectify that, though, as it's a long slog from beginning to end of that section.
You talk of the ACs in the broadsides, then say that both the broadsides and aft quarters have some, then mention the ACs in the AFT quarters.

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« Reply #12 on: 29 November 2015, 08:31:42 »
I'll doodle out a supplimental for this with the M5's in it, they pack a LOT more firepower onto their frames.  And thank ye for pointing out the repetition, i'll make sure not to do that again :)
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« Reply #13 on: 29 November 2015, 10:26:28 »
To me, the thing that marks the Lola as an escort is the weapons load optimized for engaging small targets(DropShips and fighters), and the speed, which allows the Lola to match the maneuvers of larger ships, while still keeping a thrust point out two in reserve for an ECHO, to deal with that's from unexpected directions.

Conversely, the Essex is an anti-ship gunboat, with little to defend it from small craft, but big NAC bays that allow a peak of two or three to tear apart a cruiser in surprisingly short order, and the same thrust profile as other SLDF fleet elements mean that an Essex pack can pull the same grand-scale maneuvers as your cruisers and BBs, but if they were drawn into an up-close dogfight, they can easily get outmaneuvered.
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« Reply #14 on: 29 November 2015, 16:52:11 »
To me, the thing that marks the Lola as an escort is the weapons load optimized for engaging small targets(DropShips and fighters), and the speed, which allows the Lola to match the maneuvers of larger ships, while still keeping a thrust point out two in reserve for an ECHO, to deal with that's from unexpected directions.
I am not so sure. While well suited to killing the small the Lola III is really bad at AA. The bracketing doesn't help and the firepower isn't enough to bludgeon its way through the 11s. The remaining NLs and missiles aren't uniquely better than any other SLDF ship.

Fully agree about the mobility etc.

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« Reply #15 on: 30 November 2015, 13:00:28 »
I'd say the Lola's laser battery is pretty darn good. You have to go up to cruiser-weight ships or bigger before you start seeing NL bays like that.

Is firing bays as individual weapons still a rules option? If a Lola were allowed to do that, you're looking at a LOT of to-hit rolls.
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« Reply #16 on: 30 November 2015, 16:05:30 »
larger vessels that acted as both destroyer leaders (probably a role the Sovietskii Soyuz does in SLDF service)
...have you ever seen the engines on the Sovetskii Soyuz class?

No?

Nor has anyone else, without a microscope!

The Sovetskii Soyuz is a very slow ship - certainly it has its merits but it isn't agile enough to act as a destroyer leader.
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« Reply #17 on: 30 November 2015, 16:13:35 »
Sure it is. Anything with a K-F drive and the ability to sustain at least 1G across a system can keep up with them over long distances, and once you're on the hex map... well, the SovSoy's a sniper. It has no need to maintain a close formation with Lolas or Essexes in order to support them in battle.
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« Reply #18 on: 01 December 2015, 09:46:27 »
The Sov Soy's more a glorified Frigate with a lot in common with the Riga than a real cruiser. Undergunned, slow as a molasses covered sloth and with a cargo bay that could carry all 220,000 tonnes of this



For some damn reason.

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« Reply #19 on: 01 December 2015, 10:13:18 »
So it can support the logistical needs of a destroyer division on patrol, can provide long-range fire support tactically, and even provides a spot tougher than any destroyer to park your commodore. Sounds like a destroyer leader to me. :)

Hmmm...a SovSoy, three Lolas, and a pair of Essexes. That actually sounds like a fun group to game with, actually.
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Re: Warship of the Month - Lola III Class Destroyer.
« Reply #20 on: 01 December 2015, 10:21:22 »
Hmmm...a SovSoy, three Lolas, and a pair of Essexes. That actually sounds like a fun group to game with, actually.

Put a Titan on one of the Sov Soy's dropships rings and you'll be better off, Pentagon's for everything else or were they Congress exclusive craft?
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Re: Warship of the Month - Lola III Class Destroyer.
« Reply #21 on: 01 December 2015, 10:54:47 »
Put a Titan on one of the Sov Soy's dropships rings and you'll be better off, Pentagon's for everything else or were they Congress exclusive craft?

We're not told for certain, but I choose to assume that is the case for my own forces.

I think I'd actually prefer four Achilles over a Titan, myself. Less fighters, but their tactical speed makes up for it, and aside from one odd air lance, it'd give me nine squadrons of birds, or three full wings. I like being able to fit things into organization schemes like that.
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Re: Warship of the Month - Lola III Class Destroyer.
« Reply #22 on: 01 December 2015, 11:25:20 »
Sure it is. Anything with a K-F drive and the ability to sustain at least 1G across a system can keep up with them over long distances, and once you're on the hex map... well, the SovSoy's a sniper. It has no need to maintain a close formation with Lolas or Essexes in order to support them in battle.

I'd describe this role as more of a Destroyer Tender than a Destroyer Leader then.  The Sov Soy is a lot of things, but a true 'destroyer leader' it definitely ain't.  If it isn't rolling into battle at the same speed and engagement profiles as it's charges, I think it's not 'leading' very far.
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Re: Warship of the Month - Lola III Class Destroyer.
« Reply #23 on: 01 December 2015, 14:41:17 »
I'd say the Lola's laser battery is pretty darn good. You have to go up to cruiser-weight ships or bigger before you start seeing NL bays like that.

You mean like the Baron, Naga or the Whrilwind?  ;) 19, 12 NL35, and 12 NL45s respectively. The Lolas batteries are slightly heavier and larger (12 NL55 and 4 NL45) but not that well laid out (Nose bay and singleton NL45s.).

Whoever said the Sov Soy was a battlecruiser needs to be flogged round the fleet.
For goodness sake stop thinking about the 20thC. The nations of earth couldn't consistently classify a battle cruiser so don't expect a 500 year star empire to do so. Heck, the role clearly went extinct then was reborn and reclassified in the Star League alone.
Heck don't even get excited about Destroyers or Destroyer Leaders. This is not WWII and none of them have any noticeable thrust advantage over larger craft or any special super weapon to give them a chance. To try and fit these square pegs into the round holes of expectation is the action of a armchair gamer rather than some one who has actually looked at what ships actuallyl can do.

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Re: Warship of the Month - Lola III Class Destroyer.
« Reply #24 on: 01 December 2015, 15:22:23 »
...okay, you got me on the Naga and Whirlwind. Been a while since I looked at either in detail. The Naga in particular has a rather nice weapons load all around, and only what even I regard as pitiful armor and thrust ratings prevents it from being serious competition.

The Whirlwind I'm less impressed by. Two bays, where the ship cannot normally fire both at the same time, does not a mighty array make.

I did remember the Baron, but felt safe in ignoring it since by the time the Lola III came out, it had been reduced to the role of glorified armored space limo.
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Re: Warship of the Month - Lola III Class Destroyer.
« Reply #25 on: 06 December 2015, 10:09:52 »
Nice write up.
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