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« Reply #30 on: 05 May 2016, 06:30:25 »
I didn't actually mind the short squat design. It's just that when laid out side by side, as another thread is doing, it ends up looking bulkier than heavier warships. And that utterly broke my SOD.

I think what's needed is the redone Vincent alongside something else bigger, to remind you that the Vinny is barely over 400 meters long.  She had to be broad as all hell because of the absurd amount of cargo the design carries, if she wasn't it would be a case of the crew literally having crawl spaces instead of corridors. A case of "This walkway was made for me!" trying to fit through it.

The Vinny's an odd ship, at 420k tonnes a full load of 97k tonnes of cargo is 23% of its full mass devoted to Cargo, yet the Vincent is also lightly armed and armoured, (yet for a SLDF ship it has a decent fuel tank) so i've always wondered where the rest of its weight has gone, unless its a design thing that engines are just obscenely heavy (and even then the Vinny isn't capable of that high an acceleration curve, its the same as a Lola III). 

In reality the Vincent is not a fast attack boat, at best she's an escort and patrol craft, more a large coastguard ship (the US does have armed coastguard ships - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Cutter  )  or in naval service she's the equivalent in my mind, of something like the Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate, small, cheap, built in civilian yards and designed to be mass produced. 
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« Reply #31 on: 05 May 2016, 15:11:17 »
I like both, the redesigned Vincent as well as the Potemkin. They preserve the original lines while adding more details and a general 2016ish look.

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« Reply #32 on: 05 May 2016, 16:11:50 »

Concerning the Potemkin, what is on the front of the docking collars?
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« Reply #33 on: 05 May 2016, 16:41:24 »
Concerning the Potemkin, what is on the front of the docking collars?

not quite sure what you mean with regards to this.  The collars themselves in other art especially the 3057 redone art of the ye-olde SLDF and before era are circular areas on the hull.  On Plog's take on the Congress

http://i.imgur.com/6tcd4vb.jpg

You can see his version of one, that huge round area, thats a dropship collar.
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« Reply #34 on: 05 May 2016, 16:45:51 »
not quite sure what you mean with regards to this.  The collars themselves in other art especially the 3057 redone art of the ye-olde SLDF and before era are circular areas on the hull.  On Plog's take on the Congress

http://i.imgur.com/6tcd4vb.jpg

You can see his version of one, that huge round area, thats a dropship collar.
I mean that half sphere, like an imitation of TOS Star Trek Bussard collector.
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« Reply #35 on: 05 May 2016, 17:03:50 »
I initally thought it was part of the grav-deck rotating mechanism, but then realised its down too low.  On the Potemkin there's only one grav-deck an 85 meter diameter one so instead of having the short lil doughnut grav decks this iteration has a much longer grav-deck that runs from behind the bow section (where most of the cargo is stored) to the engine decks, its about 7 - 800 meters long and to rotate something like that you're going to need some serious machinery.

But the 'bussard' as ya called it is seemingly how crew/dropship personnel and cargo can be brought from the bow section (where we put most of the cargo) into the dropships that are docked along the ventral bays :)  Without thinking too much about it i'd say that crew/passengers from the dropship would probably go into this area and then up the bow section before going into the grav deck.  Sure when combats coming then they would be loaded on board beforehand but otherwise they'd be in the big 'ol gravdeck instead of stuck in their dropships.
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« Reply #36 on: 05 May 2016, 17:14:54 »

With all the window like structures, it sounds like a Lounge then.
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« Reply #37 on: 05 May 2016, 17:21:31 »
With all the window like structures, it sounds like a Lounge then.

Without being able to see the (soon to be finished) final version I can't say if they are windows or not, the Grav-deck itself would be solid, probably with some scuttles and the like but not many, Btech ships are generally very light on holes in the hull if they can help it, with only the Leviathan family and the Newgrange really going outside of this norm.  I would guess that the windows are just a bit of design work on the hull, the ship is quite functional in her look and it could be passed off as an artistic flourish by the designers who when told to build a large, functional warship that was mainly a troop carrier they could probably not indulge themselves in too much design flourishes.

So unlike Star Wars and Star Trek the B-tech universe does not tend to decorate its hulls with windows and well lit scuttles with the main holes in the hull being for weapon ports, docking bays and a small viewing deck that's part of the bridge (although really you'd think that their bridges would be in the center of the ship like a Warships CinC with the bridge being used mainly for navigation, but not controlling the ship.
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« Reply #38 on: 06 May 2016, 22:07:04 »
And here's the finished article!

The SLS Jackson - Vincent Mk 42 Class Corvette

http://i.imgur.com/cwQc3wF.jpg

The CDS Poseidon - Potemkin Class Troop Cruiser/Assault Transport.

http://i.imgur.com/9GvlNwJ.jpg

(the big stripey area on the rotating deck is a 'cut away' showing what's underneath)  As always, hope you folks like 'em, any comments are most welcome.
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« Reply #39 on: 06 May 2016, 22:34:07 »
Extremely nice!  Too bad they can't be used for canon purposes.
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« Reply #40 on: 06 May 2016, 23:22:28 »
Aye! But if folks want to use them in stuff, go right ahead.

And i've just noticed something.  The Vinny has a kitty face!  Look at the bow section with the missile launchers, that's definately a face there. You've got the eyes, the round section underneath is a mouth and in the top left and right of the boxy launcher assembly...little ear like pannels.  Or am I just seeing things?
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« Reply #41 on: 07 May 2016, 07:04:31 »
You're not just seeing things, but I'd hesitate to say it was deliberate.  The Overlord for scale on the Potemkin art really drives home how big it is.  It would have been nice to have an Overlord on the Vincent art too.

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« Reply #42 on: 07 May 2016, 08:13:06 »
Good 'ol human pattern recognition :) Even if it was subtly deliberate I don't mind at all :3  I think with putting an Overlord in may have risen the cost for the Vincent, considering that the Overlords 101/110 meters long and the Vinny is barely over 400.  It would have been a quarter as larger as she is :p
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« Reply #43 on: 07 May 2016, 08:37:48 »
I like em both a lot, especially the Potemkin although I could do without the cut-away (easy enough to undo in photoshop though). Thanks again for doing this, marauder.
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« Reply #44 on: 07 May 2016, 15:28:12 »
I'm really liking these re-imaginings of these ships.

(So, what is next on the redux list? :) )
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« Reply #45 on: 08 May 2016, 04:13:12 »
I'm really liking these re-imaginings of these ships.

(So, what is next on the redux list? :) )

Now thats a good question, the Volga's redone art was rancid, but a re-working of it would probably look very much like the Quixote which looks great as is.  I like the re-done Essex and Lola's and the Aegis has some charm in its blocky way.  The Liberator looks fine, could do with some more details, but again, we have that, its the Avatar.

So what to do next...I dunno...
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« Reply #46 on: 08 May 2016, 04:15:08 »

What about the Liberator colony ship? It has no art, but does have a description.
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« Reply #47 on: 08 May 2016, 04:20:06 »
What about the Liberator colony ship? It has no art, but does have a description.

You mean this?



Thats the Liberator there, but its just a Clan version of



And the art for the Avatar looks fine as is. 

The only other one that i've never really been too sure of is the Leviathan, I love its bow section but i'm not sure about the random tubes



That look has never 'done' it for me.

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« Reply #48 on: 08 May 2016, 04:28:17 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5649/liberator-colony-ship-standard
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Built long before JumpShip design settled on the largely uniform needle shape of later eras, the Liberator had a distinctly different shape: Its front section had the usual bulbous, cylindrical look but also sported two large hangar bays. Behind the front section, five mammoth cubes marched a line, each slightly larger than the previous one, with the final cube being fully twice the size of the smallest (first) and having three interplanetary drive nozzles jutting out. A massive cylindrical spine ran from the front section through the cubes. The Kearny-Fuchida Drive core was observed to have roughly about three times the diameter of the one on a Scout class JumpShip of later times[2].

The Liberator was not equipped with a jump sail and had to charge its Kearny-Fuchida Drive with its on-board reactors. It carried a very large amount of fuel.



Concerning the Leviathan, I completely agree. I also dislike the visual lack of turrets and launchers.
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« Reply #49 on: 08 May 2016, 04:38:08 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5649/liberator-colony-ship-standard


Concerning the Leviathan, I completely agree. I also dislike the visual lack of turrets and launchers.

Intersting, never heard of that ship, and I think the 'problem' with the Leviathan is that she's too tall.  She's little more than 200 meters longer than a McKenna, but is absurdly deep bodied and galleon like in her profile and it looks like you could stack two McKenna's atop one another and still not have their huge radiator fins sticking out above the Leviathan.  If anything she's going to be a BROAD ship, not a tall one.

Making her guns show up might be a bit iffy as she's got so many she's basically this



And whereas the McKenna's armament is fairly uniform, the Leviathan III's is all over the shop from massive turret arrays with 12 NL55's in them to dual gauss mounts and the like. 
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« Reply #50 on: 08 May 2016, 05:16:27 »
Intersting, never heard of that ship, and I think the 'problem' with the Leviathan is that she's too tall.  She's little more than 200 meters longer than a McKenna, but is absurdly deep bodied and galleon like in her profile and it looks like you could stack two McKenna's atop one another and still not have their huge radiator fins sticking out above the Leviathan.  If anything she's going to be a BROAD ship, not a tall one.
I consider the height to have been caused by the living accommodations on the transport version. A pure combat version would do without the excess structures.

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Making her guns show up might be a bit iffy as she's got so many she's basically this

And whereas the McKenna's armament is fairly uniform, the Leviathan III's is all over the shop from massive turret arrays with 12 NL55's in them to dual gauss mounts and the like.
Maybe just use capital bay bubbles/blisters to hint at the number of capital weapon bays and leave out the std scale weapons?
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« Reply #51 on: 08 May 2016, 06:04:21 »
Well seeing as its my birthday soon (ish) at the end of the month, why not.  I'll have a word with Plog.
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« Reply #52 on: 08 May 2016, 13:02:46 »
Very nice.
Like them both. Thank you for sharing.

If I may ask you, what does such an artwork cost?

Due possible ship classes, what about the LUXOR Heavy cruiser and FARRAGUT Battleship?
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« Reply #53 on: 08 May 2016, 13:20:25 »
Very nice.
Like them both. Thank you for sharing.

If I may ask you, what does such an artwork cost?

Due possible ship classes, what about the LUXOR Heavy cruiser and FARRAGUT Battleship?

The Luxor and Farragut are both very nice bits of art. This was mostly to correct the manifold errors of the 3057 redone art of the SLDF ships, most of which in my opinion were complete dogs eggs.  I see the 'unseen' or forgotten ships at the back of the revised 3057 book as great and not needing work, but the redone art for the SLDF ships in Clan service were a gross injustice for many of them with only the Essex, Lola, Liberator, Aegis and Sov Soy looking decent, the others were train wrecks. 

And i'll PM you the cost :)

Also this is a collection of all the ships I've had done thus far.

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« Reply #54 on: 08 May 2016, 21:43:18 »
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« Reply #55 on: 09 May 2016, 02:23:52 »
These are great man!

I'm glad ya like and if anyone wants to use these in anything, just drop me a line and go ahead :)
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« Reply #56 on: 10 May 2016, 14:21:00 »
Possibly some appropriate music...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sASfLQm9iCc

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Given battletech's "broadside towards the enemy" style of cap ship fighting, you would think many wouldn't be so "tall".  Then again, this is mainly a transport and a lot of that extra space is cargo, so it's kinda understandable.  THAT being said, customer gets what they want.  This is as good a squishing i can get at while maintaining some of the original Leviathan's features.  At this aspect ratio the ship ends up about 6-700m meters wide and likely about 300m tall.  The 8 gravdecks would be 4 to a side, with with larger diameter ones towards the front in the area covered by the rounded area.  Cargo doors are accessed along the spine, and the mass of connectors for crew/passenger loading as well as the bulk of the 30k lifeboats are along the edges in between the two rounded sections.  Fighters launch from the first dropship hub, and small craft from the second.
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« Reply #57 on: 10 May 2016, 15:45:41 »
Possibly some appropriate music...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sASfLQm9iCc

Ladies and gentlemen....

http://imgur.com/rS2XUmo

Huh, I really like that!
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« Reply #58 on: 10 May 2016, 19:04:05 »
Possibly some appropriate music...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sASfLQm9iCc

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« Reply #59 on: 10 May 2016, 20:08:12 »
I like it. Very "beefy" looking. :)

Although, a question for you - are the "domes" on top the dropship collars? It might be just me, but if those are the collars, my concern would be two of the dropships docked on those collars could smack into one another during launch.
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