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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #60 on: 02 June 2017, 13:07:07 »
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #61 on: 02 June 2017, 17:34:45 »
Trothkin; you mean, you do not!?
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #62 on: 02 June 2017, 18:18:10 »
The budget has been tight! [soapbox]  That and we're having trouble finding someone who can integrate it with the old SLDF computer systems. :-[
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #63 on: 02 June 2017, 21:21:25 »
If the budget has been really tight, you should just grab one from the toilet, all our toilets have one.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #64 on: 03 June 2017, 01:49:51 »
My button is fancy. It's orange and glows with the bezel around the mounting plate is studded with diamonds and emeralds. I took it as isorla from a pirate on Antallos.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #65 on: 03 June 2017, 05:36:33 »
One of the in universe questions that has vexed me for a while:

So we spent all this effort putting boots on the ground invading Antallos and lost a cluster or two there along the way (per HTP: Antallos) but Antallos isn't part of the RA later on. And it isn't a ghost world (still appears on maps). What gives? Any ideas?
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #66 on: 03 June 2017, 06:08:20 »
At a guess, after eliminating all the pirates, the Raven Khans deemed the world unfit for occupation and left it to its own devices. It willlikely become a haven for pirates once more and then squashed flat ... again
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #67 on: 03 June 2017, 06:23:54 »
At a guess, after eliminating all the pirates, the Raven Khans deemed the world unfit for occupation and left it to its own devices. It willlikely become a haven for pirates once more and then squashed flat ... again
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #68 on: 03 June 2017, 07:47:30 »
One of the in universe questions that has vexed me for a while:

So we spent all this effort putting boots on the ground invading Antallos and lost a cluster or two there along the way (per HTP: Antallos) but Antallos isn't part of the RA later on. And it isn't a ghost world (still appears on maps). What gives? Any ideas?
The Ravens were looking for something specific, not trying to annex Antallos.  We don't know what it was or if they found it, but the rest of the world is pretty useless.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #69 on: 03 June 2017, 10:20:59 »
More useless than Rezak's Hole?
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #70 on: 03 June 2017, 10:34:49 »
Just to point it out, but the Ravens also cleared much of the wastes of pirates and they still did not annex any of those planets.

Antallos is really only an important world to pirates and less-than-savory mercs, and after the Raven attack probably not either of them anymore.  It is not a particularly industrial or populated planet.  In the end, it is a bit too far away from other Raven holdings and the Ravens are too small of a clan to maintain forces there for long.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #71 on: 05 June 2017, 13:14:34 »
Orbital Bombardment has numerous definitions among the Snow Ravens.

I laughed way, way harder at this than I probably should have. The mental images it conjured were priceless!

Anyway, I've always been a little surprised that the Ravens didn't officially expand back out into the abandoned worlds of the Periphery more than they have. I know colonization isn't sexy to the clans, but all some of those worlds were lacking was steady access to advanced technology. I would have expected at least SOME worlds to still have valuable resources, and the Ravens to have access to the SL-era tech needed to keep them habitable. It's not like the Clans are all that shy about living on marginal worlds, so I always expected a few more scattered colonies to pop up further out in the previously abandoned areas...but they never really have.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #72 on: 05 June 2017, 13:46:14 »
*tinfoil hat on* That you know of. *tinfoil hat off*


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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #73 on: 05 June 2017, 13:51:34 »
The Ravens really are not hurting for living space.  Remember, they went from living on the equivalent of about 4 worlds to about 40.  In addition their overall population probably was cut to maybe 10% of their 3067 population (my estimation for this is that they went from about 97 million to around 10 million, though I feel this number may be a bit high).  And while they could certainly provide the limited required technology to the waste worlds, I doubt they felt it was much of a priority. 

Lastly, the clans in general - and the Ravens are no different - focus much too heavily into the very near future, they might have a 1-year plan, and a general idea of the way they are headed in 5 years, but by no means an actual plan.  This feature of the clans severely diminishes the effectiveness of their top-down-based industrial output, particularly as it relates to anything not military.

This means to me that while the waste worlds may like that the Ravens got rid of the pirates, their subsequent lack of interactions probably decreased whatever goodwill they engendered.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #74 on: 05 June 2017, 14:38:52 »
The Ravens really are not hurting for living space.  Remember, they went from living on the equivalent of about 4 worlds to about 40.  In addition their overall population probably was cut to maybe 10% of their 3067 population (my estimation for this is that they went from about 97 million to around 10 million, though I feel this number may be a bit high).  And while they could certainly provide the limited required technology to the waste worlds, I doubt they felt it was much of a priority. 

Lastly, the clans in general - and the Ravens are no different - focus much too heavily into the very near future, they might have a 1-year plan, and a general idea of the way they are headed in 5 years, but by no means an actual plan.  This feature of the clans severely diminishes the effectiveness of their top-down-based industrial output, particularly as it relates to anything not military.

This means to me that while the waste worlds may like that the Ravens got rid of the pirates, their subsequent lack of interactions probably decreased whatever goodwill they engendered.

One year plan is all you can do when your first bad decision brings a host of Trials of Grievance or Refusal, which can be fatal and which tend to add a lot of turnover in the mix.

I think the Bears got it closest to getting it right in the IS, keep the military Clan, for everyone else they become Civilians. The need for civilian castes is nill, when you have a realm with a population in the Billions, you even get enough diamonds in the rough to inject new blood into your genetic program with Free Births were a clan so inclined.

The Ravens Picked/Conquered the wrong realm, not that they had a better choice. The hippie peaceniks of the OA, were never going to integrate into anything militarily driven like the clans, after all most of them live in the OA to escape that.

Though it could be interesting if they simply took over the Tortuga Cluster, and set up shop there, though whether or not they could keep their tech would be debatable, and whether they'd have enough people would be debatable too.

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« Reply #75 on: 16 June 2017, 16:15:06 »
OK, I could not let such a travesty stand; the Turkey thread was actually getting some use, and was at the top of the list. Ewww.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #76 on: 17 June 2017, 10:50:33 »
OK, I could not let such a travesty stand; the Turkey thread was actually getting some use, and was at the top of the list. Ewww.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #77 on: 17 June 2017, 12:31:19 »
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #78 on: 19 June 2017, 15:30:42 »
What annoys me most about the Jade Turkeys is not that they dropped their most effective warship on a plant.  On the contrary, it was one less ship to challenge our supremacy.  No, what annoyed me was that it was a Nightlord.  We built it!  If they didn't want it, then they should have given it back to us. >:(

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #79 on: 19 June 2017, 16:14:07 »
Seeing what the used WS market is,,,I agree cause it's a classic
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #80 on: 19 June 2017, 20:02:39 »
I can't remember who came up with this nickname, but I still think the best name for a Nightlord is the Eminent Domain.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #81 on: 20 June 2017, 01:07:52 »
I can't remember who came up with this nickname, but I still think the best name for a Nightlord is the Eminent Domain.

Would pair well with the Leviathan 'Manifest Destiny'.

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« Reply #82 on: 21 June 2017, 20:04:16 »
Would pair well with the Leviathan 'Manifest Destiny'.

It's in a naval star with the Lola III-class Freedom of Navigation.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #83 on: 22 June 2017, 00:19:23 »
And hey definitely could have given it to us Bears as well: ' Ursa Major II' and the DCA would have panicked and started flipping tables: sending every Warship, Dropship, and Aerospace Fighter to the Dominion Border to stop it.

What annoys me most about the Jade Turkeys is not that they dropped their most effective warship on a plant.  On the contrary, it was one less ship to challenge our supremacy.  No, what annoyed me was that it was a Nightlord.  We built it!  If they didn't want it, then they should have given it back to us. >:(

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #84 on: 17 July 2017, 14:43:02 »
Does not feel right talking with clanners, but if have work to do, you have work to do...

 Does any know of reference on what factories the Raven managed to evacuate from the Homeworlds? My experience with the WoR books is little, so i come here for your knowledge in the matter at hand.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #85 on: 17 July 2017, 15:01:40 »
As far as I can tell virtually none of the true manufacturing facilities.  Most of the potemkins-class warships which survived had some bare-bones factories built in their cavernous cargo bays - which may or may not be built around the core components of homeworld factories.  Most of the support the Ravens have been able to give to upgrade the Alliance factories seems to primarily be in expertise and smaller but more effective pieces of equipment - and this support has only been giving to certain factories (as seen in the Cadaver in TRO 3145, the Raven Alliance still produces BattleMechs with Inner Sphere levels of technology).

Some specifics (paraphrased, for the most part, from Objectives - The Clans):
Snow Raven Insdustrial Complex Alpha - started as a bunch of mobile factories which were morphed into a true factory complex.  Builds Battlemechs and battle armor
United Outworlders Corporation on Mitchella - new complex, unknown origin.  Builds battlemechs and combat vehicles, perhaps a bit more was intended but this is all we know for sure.
Crest Foundries, Quatre Belle - Started as a mobile factory
CSR Battle Armor Facility Alpha, Ramora - unknown origin
UOC, Ramor - adopted clan manufacturing techniques

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #86 on: 17 July 2017, 17:25:32 »
Does not feel right talking with clanners, but if have work to do, you have work to do...

 Does any know of reference on what factories the Raven managed to evacuate from the Homeworlds? My experience with the WoR books is little, so i come here for your knowledge in the matter at hand.
Honestly, we really don't know.  WoR seemed to be deliberately vague to give the writers maneuvering room in this matter.  However, they did state that the largest and most important convoy was captured or destroyed by the Adders.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #87 on: 17 July 2017, 17:44:39 »
The 3145/3150 TRO series gives you an idea of the sorts of things that are still being built.

And of course if you don't need to distinguish between what's still being built and what's just still around in large number, you can look at the availability filters for units on the MUL.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #88 on: 20 July 2017, 06:28:54 »
A lot of stuff on the RA RAT is utter trash (Rokurokubi, Dasher II, Jaguar, I'm looking at you) but at least we have the Goshawk II, which is nice.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #89 on: 20 July 2017, 21:22:12 »
A lot of stuff on the RA RAT is utter trash (Rokurokubi, Dasher II, Jaguar, I'm looking at you) but at least we have the Goshawk II, which is nice.

It's a quad, and it would be nice to unify the SRMs with the ATM launcher (although infernos can prove useful).  But the Jaguar is a pretty solid design, IMO.  I might trade Dark Crow production for Jaguar production, for example.
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