Acheron Assault Mech - Quad.

[marauder648]

No fluff yet but i've got an idea for a quad clan general purpose assault and would like peoples thoughts on it.

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Acheron
Clan experimental
85 tons 
BV: 2,471
Cost: 20,885,883 C-bills

Movement: 4/6
Engine: 340 XL
Heat Sinks: 19 [38]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 138
Armor: 272/279
                     Internal    Armor
--------------------------------------
Center Torso               27       41
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                18       28
Right Torso (rear)                   8
Left Torso                 18       28
Left Torso (rear)                    8
Front Right Leg            18       35
Front Left Leg             18       35
Rear Right Leg             18       35
Rear Left Leg              18       35

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
----------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                  LT    12
ER Large Laser                  LT    12
ER Large Laser                  LT    12
LB 10-X AC                      RT     2
Medium Pulse Laser              LT     4
Medium Pulse Laser              RT     4

Ammo                           Loc Shots
----------------------------------------
LB 10-X AC Ammo                 RT    10
LB 10-X AC Ammo                 RT    10
LB 10-X AC Ammo                 RT    10

Equipment                      Loc
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Standard                       None
Quad Turret                     LT
ECM Suite                       HD





[Tymers Realm]

It looks pretty straight forward. Kinda like a Goliath on steroids.
But I ran it through SSW and I come up with 1.5 tons less armor.
Here's the breakdown:

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Mass: 85 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Quad
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 20,911,783 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,399

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 340 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    3  ER Large Lasers
    1  LB 10-X AC
    2  Medium Pulse Lasers
    1  ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     138 points                8.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             340                      13.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             19(38)                    9.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 FLL, 1 FRL, 1 RLL, 1 RRL
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: H+UL+LL+F    R: H+UL+LL+F
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 248                 15.50
    CASE Locations: RT                                                     0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     27           39       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10       
                                           L/R Torso     18           27       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  9         
                                       L/R Front Leg     18           26       
                                        L/R Rear Leg     18           33       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ECM Suite                                    HD        0         1         1.00
LB 10-X AC                                   RT        2         5        10.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           RT        4         1         2.00
3 (T) ER Large Lasers                        LT        36        3        12.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           LT        4         1         2.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (20)                         RT        -         2         2.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      RT        -         1         1.00
Quad Mech Turret                             LT        -         1         1.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 24
4          5       5       4       0      4     1   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: ECM, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, FLK 1/1/1

I don't think I missed anything.

[marauder648]

Yeah I think I screwed up with the turret on Megamek, even the leg armour out and ya golden, and kind of a suped up Goliath yes.  Same kind of design peramiters, keep an opponent at long range. The medium pulse lasers are there really only to ward someone off if they get too close whilst the LB can wear down an opponent at mid range.

[Tymers Realm]

Yea, I didn't go thorough any armor balancing. I was just doing a rough work up and noticed the overall armor coverage difference.
Plus I also wanted to double check DHS placement. That to me seems to be one of MML's listing downsides.

EDIT: how about 9/39( 8 )/28( 8 )/30/30 (H/CT(R)/L&RT(R)/FL/RL)?

[Maingunnery]

What about replacing the MPLs with Jump Jets?

[marauder648]

That could work, it don't really need defensive weapons, if you can't bring someone down with a trio of ER Large and a single LB-10...then a pair of medium pulsers ain't gonna do much.

[RevenVrake]

I've had this idea for a while.

A Clan Jade Falcon quad mech...armed with Talons and built to be as scary as possible for the Mongol doctrine to scare civilians into line. 

Fitted active probe, ECM, and a battery of pulse lasers and plasma cannon this is meant to get in close in urban environment to the point of even savaging mechs with its talons.

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GyroHawk Hunter

Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Quad
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-A
Production Year: 3145
Cost: 18,888,600 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,432

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 320 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  ER Large Laser
    1  Plasma Cannon
    4  Medium Pulse Lasers
    4  Small Pulse Lasers
    1  Talons
    1  Active Probe
    1  ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     130 points                8.00
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             320                      11.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 4 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT                                         4.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             14(28)                    4.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: H+UL+LL+F    R: H+UL+LL+F
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 263                 16.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     25           38       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  12       
                                           L/R Torso     17           26       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                       L/R Front Leg     17           34       
                                        L/R Rear Leg     17           34       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Medium Pulse Lasers                        RT        8         2         4.00
ECM Suite                                    RT        0         1         1.00
(R) Small Pulse Laser                        RT        2         1         1.00
Small Pulse Laser                            RT        2         1         1.00
2 Medium Pulse Lasers                        LT        8         2         4.00
Small Pulse Laser                            LT        2         1         1.00
(R) Small Pulse Laser                        LT        2         1         1.00
ER Large Laser                               CT        12        1         4.00
Active Probe                                 CT        0         1         1.00
Plasma Cannon                                HD        7         1         3.00
Talons                                       RLL       -         2         6.00
@Plasma Cannon (10)                          RT        -         1         1.00
@Plasma Cannon (10)                          LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 1

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      9    Points: 24
4j         5       5       2       0      4     1   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: MEL, PRB, RCN, ECM, ENE, HT1, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


[Black_Knyght]

No fluff yet but i've got an idea for a quad clan general purpose assault and would like peoples thoughts on it

Definitely like this one!

[marauder648]

Okay, tidied it up a bit, and yeah I was off with the turret, the ECM put me a ton overweight.  So with that removed, and the medium pulsers replaced with jump jets, I was also able to armour the turret mount for the laser array.

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Acheron
Clan experimental
85 tons 
BV: 2,497
Cost: 21,083,833 C-bills

Movement: 4/6/4
Engine: 340 XL
Heat Sinks: 19 [38]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 138
Armor: 279/279
                     Internal    Armor
--------------------------------------
Center Torso               27       44
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                18       27
Right Torso (rear)                   9
Left Torso                 18       27
Left Torso (rear)                    9
Front Right Leg            18       36
Front Left Leg             18       36
Rear Right Leg             18       36
Rear Left Leg              18       36

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
----------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                  LT    12
ER Large Laser                  LT    12
ER Large Laser                  LT    12
LB 10-X AC                      RT     2

Ammo                           Loc Shots
----------------------------------------
LB 10-X AC Ammo                 RT    10
LB 10-X AC Ammo                 RT    10
LB 10-X AC Ammo                 RT    10

Equipment                      Loc
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Standard                       None
Quad Turret (armored)           LT



[Maingunnery]

That will work quite nicely, act as a SuperNova at range and if the enemy comes too close then fill their holes with cluster shot.  :)

[marauder648]

Thank you :) and with the JJ's its quite mobile, and the turret stops it being outflanked easily.  Not sure what Clan would use it.  As was said its liked a souped up Goliath, or a strange Supernova. 

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Nova Cats , Goliath Scorpion maybe. hell Horses IDK?

[Maingunnery]

I think that Clan Sea Fox is the best fit, as they also made the:
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6553/stalking-spider-ii-standard

[Kojak]

Hell, it's 85 tons, just do it up as a Thunder Stallion upgrade.

[marauder648]

A Thunder Stallion upgrade..I like that...'cause that thing looked bloody aweful.

[Kojak]

Aw, I like the Thunder Stallion. Although TRO 3060 was the first one I ever bought back when I was a kid, so I have a soft spot for a lot of that art even if it didn't age very well.

[marauder648]

Designed by Clan Diamond Shark the Acheron was 'billed' to other Clans as a general purpose multi-role assault Mech that could engage targets at long range and provide support in multiple roles.
Its design was actually based, in part, on the Trebaruna although the Clan chassis was ten tons lighter.  The mech was also more squat than the typical Quad design, not a towering eddifice like the Thunder Stallion or Goliath, but with its chunky body and comparatively squat legs working to give it a solid and muscular form.  The Internal space was extensive but this was due to the limited amount of advanced materials used in the construction. Instead the Sharks opted to make their Mech simple to make and maintain, its lower production cost were also reflected in its low price. 

Opting for a simple but effective mix of weapons the Acheron features a trio of ER Large lasers all of which are housed in a turret on the right torso.  Additional armouring was then applied to the turret to stop it being disabled and jammed.  A LB-10X autocannon is situated in the left torso along with its 3 tons of ammunition, giving the Acheron considerable endurance.  Like the Trebaruna, the Acheron also features jump jets, but owing to space constraints forced by the extensive cooling system, these were not mounted in the legs.  Instead they were mounted on the sides of the Mech, near its 'belly'.  They are also installed on flexible mountings that allow the warrior to direct the thrust whilst making a leap, rather than just firing straight down.  These variable pitch thrusters make the jumps stable even to the maximum 120 meter distance.

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Acheron Prime
Clan experimental
85 tons 
BV: 2,497
Cost: 21,083,833 C-bills

Movement: 4/6/4
Engine: 340 XL
Heat Sinks: 19 [38]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 138
Armor: 279/279
                     Internal    Armor
--------------------------------------
Center Torso               27       44
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                18       27
Right Torso (rear)                   9
Left Torso                 18       27
Left Torso (rear)                    9
Front Right Leg            18       36
Front Left Leg             18       36
Rear Right Leg             18       36
Rear Left Leg              18       36

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
----------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                  RT    12
ER Large Laser                  RT    12
ER Large Laser                  RT    12
LB 10-X AC                      LT     2

Ammo                           Loc Shots
----------------------------------------
LB 10-X AC Ammo                 LT    10
LB 10-X AC Ammo                 LT    10
LB 10-X AC Ammo                 LT    10

Equipment                      Loc
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Standard                       None
Quad Turret (armored)           RT
A - The A config was built as a support unit and is slightly more general purpose in nature.  For long range firepower it fits a pair of Artemis IV enhanced LRM-15's in the turret.  Space constraints however meant that the ammunition had to be stored in the adjacent torso, although its safely stored in a CASE II ammunition bin.  Other weapons include a trio of medium pulse lasers as well as a single large pulse laser firing over the Mech's head.  Finally the electronics feature a Watchdog CEWS.

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Acheron A
Clan experimental
85 tons 
BV: 2,752
Cost: 22,512,033 C-bills

Movement: 4/6/4
Engine: 340 XL
Heat Sinks: 17 [34]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 138
Armor: 279/279
                     Internal    Armor
--------------------------------------
Center Torso               27       41
Center Torso (rear)                 13
Right Torso                18       27
Right Torso (rear)                   9
Left Torso                 18       27
Left Torso (rear)                    9
Front Right Leg            18       36
Front Left Leg             18       36
Rear Right Leg             18       36
Rear Left Leg              18       36

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
----------------------------------------
LRM 15                          RT     5
LRM 15                          RT     5
Medium Pulse Laser              LT     4
Medium Pulse Laser              RT     4
Medium Pulse Laser              HD     4
Large Pulse Laser               CT    10

Ammo                           Loc Shots
----------------------------------------
LRM 15 (Clan) Artemis-capable Ammo  LT     8
LRM 15 (Clan) Artemis-capable Ammo  LT     8
LRM 15 (Clan) Artemis-capable Ammo  LT     8
LRM 15 (Clan) Artemis-capable Ammo  LT     8

Equipment                      Loc
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Standard                       None
Quad Turret (armored)           RT
Artemis IV FCS                  RT
Artemis IV FCS                  RT
Watchdog CEWS                   LT
CASE II                         LT


B - The brawler of the config, the B is apparently modeled on the Barghest 4T and is built to sting opponents at long range and then maul them at shorter ranges.  To this end the turret mounts an ER PPC, whilst an Improved Heavy large laser and Ultra-10 autocannon live in the other torso.  The cannon is fed by two tons of ammunition but its main punch comes from its energy weapons.  Most notably, all three weapons are linked into a targeting computer, making it dangerously accurate at all ranges.

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Acheron B
Clan experimental
85 tons 
BV: 2,840
Cost: 21,057,933 C-bills

Movement: 4/6/4
Engine: 340 XL
Heat Sinks: 17 [34]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 138
Armor: 279/279
                     Internal    Armor
--------------------------------------
Center Torso               27       44
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                18       27
Right Torso (rear)                   9
Left Torso                 18       27
Left Torso (rear)                    9
Front Right Leg            18       36
Front Left Leg             18       36
Rear Right Leg             18       36
Rear Left Leg              18       36

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
----------------------------------------
ER PPC                          RT    15
Improved Heavy Large Laser      LT    18
Ultra AC/10                     LT     3

Ammo                           Loc Shots
----------------------------------------
Ultra AC/10 Ammo                RT    10
Ultra AC/10 Ammo                RT    10

Equipment                      Loc
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Standard                       None
Quad Turret (armored)           RT
Targeting Computer              RT

WIP art by Matt Plog.

[Maingunnery]

What a hard hitting rhino.  ^-^

[garhkal]

Nice design..  Especially love the two alt configs.

[AldanFerrox]

Very nice. I like the art. But I have questions. Are Clan Quad Turrets different (I had to use the IS version because the Clan version didn't show up in the selection menu), because my version in MegaMekLab is 1.5 tons overweight (I had delete half a ton of armor and single heat sink to mimic your Prime configuration)?

[Tymers Realm]

If Mech turrets work in MML like they do in SSW, did you indicate that the weapons actually mount on the turret?
In SSW, once you put the intended turret weapons in the Crit section and have turret placed too, you then have to right click on the weapon and select 'add to turret'. Once that happens, the turret weight is then figured in.

[AldanFerrox]

If Mech turrets work in MML like they do in SSW, did you indicate that the weapons actually mount on the turret?
In SSW, once you put the intended turret weapons in the Crit section and have turret placed too, you then have to right click on the weapon and select 'add to turret'. Once that happens, the turret weight is then figured in.

Yes, I put all three ER Large Lasers for the Prime variant into the turret. And I also armored the turret as Marauder648 did.

[Tymers Realm]

ok...
I just worked it up in SSW as well.
Marauder, I think you forgot to add the Lasers to the Turret again.
I went and worked it out in SSW and I'm 1.5 Tons over as well with Clan CASE for the LB 10-X Ammo.

[marauder648]

Bah! I use Megamek and I don't know how to put the lasers in the turret :s  Haaaaalp!

[Tymers Realm]

Well...

Without pulling DHS' out of the design, its either unarmor the turret and a ton of armor or pull a 1.5 tons of armor off. Personally I'd go the latter.
I'd do the armor this way: 9/41 [10]/25 [9]/32/32
But that's just me...

[marauder648]

That works, i'll strip the armour a bit.

[marauder648]

This is odd, doing in Megamek's mek lab, now I've figured out how to use the turret and add the guns to it, still lets me fully armour the hull, heatsinks drops to 17.  Which results in this.

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Acheron Prime
Clan experimental
85 tons 
BV: 2,396
Cost: 26,454,229 C-bills

Movement: 4/6/4
Engine: 340 XL
Heat Sinks: 17 [34]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 138
Armor: 279/279
                     Internal    Armor
--------------------------------------
Center Torso               27       44
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                18       27
Right Torso (rear)                   9
Left Torso                 18       27
Left Torso (rear)                    9
Front Right Leg            18       36
Front Left Leg             18       36
Rear Right Leg             18       36
Rear Left Leg              18       36

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
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ER Large Laser (T)              RT    12
ER Large Laser (T)              RT    12
ER Large Laser (T)              RT    12
LB 10-X AC                      LT     2
Light TAG                       HD     0

Ammo                           Loc Shots
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LB 10-X AC Ammo                 LT    10
LB 10-X AC Ammo                 LT    10
LB 10-X AC Ammo                 LT    10

Equipment                      Loc
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Standard                       None
Quad Turret (armored)           RT

!MechView.CarringCapacity!One battle armor squad



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Acheron A
Clan experimental
85 tons 
BV: 2,681
Cost: 28,366,667 C-bills

Movement: 4/6/4
Engine: 340 XL
Heat Sinks: 15 [30]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 138
Armor: 279/279
                     Internal    Armor
--------------------------------------
Center Torso               27       44
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                18       27
Right Torso (rear)                   9
Left Torso                 18       27
Left Torso (rear)                    9
Front Right Leg            18       36
Front Left Leg             18       36
Rear Right Leg             18       36
Rear Left Leg              18       36

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
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LRM 15 (T)                      RT     5
LRM 15 (T)                      RT     5
Medium Pulse Laser              LT     4
Medium Pulse Laser              HD     4
Medium Pulse Laser              RT     4
Large Pulse Laser               CT    10

Ammo                           Loc Shots
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LRM 15 (Clan) Artemis-capable Ammo  LT     8
LRM 15 (Clan) Artemis-capable Ammo  LT     8
LRM 15 (Clan) Artemis-capable Ammo  LT     8
LRM 15 (Clan) Artemis-capable Ammo  LT     8

Equipment                      Loc
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Standard                       None
Quad Turret                     RT
Artemis IV FCS (T)              RT
Artemis IV FCS (T)              RT
CASE II                         LT

!MechView.CarringCapacity!One battle armor squad


Big changes for the A include no Watchdog, and armouring for the cockpit and gyro.

And for the B it retains the armoured gyro and cockpit but gets an ECM as well.

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Acheron B
Clan experimental
85 tons 
BV: 2,615
Cost: 29,245,417 C-bills

Movement: 4/6/4
Engine: 340 XL
Heat Sinks: 16 [32]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 138
Armor: 279/279
                     Internal    Armor
--------------------------------------
Center Torso               27       44
Center Torso (rear)                 10
Right Torso                18       27
Right Torso (rear)                   9
Left Torso                 18       27
Left Torso (rear)                    9
Front Right Leg            18       36
Front Left Leg             18       36
Rear Right Leg             18       36
Rear Left Leg              18       36

Weapon                         Loc  Heat
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ER PPC (T)                      RT    15
Improved Heavy Large Laser      LT    18
Ultra AC/10                     LT     3

Ammo                           Loc Shots
----------------------------------------
Ultra AC/10 Ammo                RT    10
Ultra AC/10 Ammo                RT    10

Equipment                      Loc
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Standard                       None
Quad Turret (armored)           RT
CASE II                         LT
CASE II                         RT
ECM Suite                       HD

!MechView.CarringCapacity!One battle armor squad


[AldanFerrox]

I would actually reduce the LB-X ammo by one ton and put back another heat sink. Three tons of ammo for a single heavy autocannon is a little bit excessive in my opinion.

[marauder648]

I would actually reduce the LB-X ammo by one ton and put back another heat sink. Three tons of ammo for a single heavy autocannon is a little bit excessive in my opinion.

yeah you're right, its one of my wee idiosycracies :) I prefer to lean towards larger ammo loads for big guns, for me 2 tons of gauss ammo is like the BARE minimum and Scientists who think one ton is fine need to have AT-AT's do line dancing on their heads. *nods*

[AldanFerrox]

yeah you're right, its one of my wee idiosycracies :) I prefer to lean towards larger ammo loads for big guns, for me 2 tons of gauss ammo is like the BARE minimum and Scientists who think one ton is fine need to have AT-AT's do line dancing on their heads. *nods*

Yeah, I also like two have enough ammo to last some time. An LRM-15 without 2 tons of ammo is just a waste of space to me.

By the way, you could actually mount both the ER PPC and the Heavy Large Laser of the B variant in the turret without additional weight gain if you manage to squeeze them both into the right torso.

I also played around with the mech a bit and made a generalist C configuration (RAC 5 with three tons of Ammo and two ER PPC's in the turret) and an D configuration that is a vehicle/infantry killer (IS Plasma Rifle and two AP Gauss in the turret, 2x SRM 6 with two tons of ammo (Inferno and Standard HE), Mech Mortar 8 with three tons of ammo (Airburst for murdering infantry) and an ER Large Laser for some ammo-independent long range-shooting).