Author Topic: Kampfgruppe Steiner Operation: Götterdämmerung or how we survived the Dark Age.  (Read 12544 times)

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That is an interesting thought, thank you! The Steiner Dragon being the equivalent to a DRG-7N rather than a 'true' -7N makes sense. Perhaps the Merc -7Ns are, in fact, Steiner models they sold. To be honest I cannot imagine many Lyran units wanting the Dragon in the first place, so selling them to Mercs may not be the worst idea. But then, this was in the middle of the Civil War, perhaps they were forced to press their Dragons into service (and upgrade them, too).

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Another Steiner question: in the FCCW source book says Lohengrin captured Baron Popov and attempted to capture Duke Bradford at the beginning of the FCCW. What kind of equipment would they have used in such an operation? Battle Armor or something light? Are there pictures of Lohengrin operatives?

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A question, good people (and Social Generals as well): in FM:FS, there's a Dart DRT-3S1 listed on the light RATs.  I can't find reference to such a mech anywhere else.  Anyone ever seen it anywhere?  Was it a slip-up that revealed the existence of a top secret project y'all have been cooking up on Coventry?
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Did we ever get a proper map of the Lyran Commonwealth with their Pre-FedCom Theater system?

Or has that been forgotten about?

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I haven't seen anytning.

I found it.

Finally have a proper map of their theaters.

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Anyone notice that House Steiner seems to really, really like Mediums and Lights going roughly 5/8-6/9? There's something to be said when they have one of the fastest 50-tonners in the game, and the fact that most of their Light "Scout" Mechs and Medium "Recon" Mechs move near the same speeds.
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Anyone notice that House Steiner seems to really, really like Mediums and Lights going roughly 5/8-6/9? There's something to be said when they have one of the fastest 50-tonners in the game, and the fact that most of their Light "Scout" Mechs and Medium "Recon" Mechs move near the same speeds.

Depends on which era you're looking at. Yes, the Griffin, Phoenix Hawk, and Vulcan appear to be the mainstays of the pre-FedCom days. By the 3060s, 5/8 and 6/9 mediums are commonplace and 7/11 mediums aren't unusual.

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I was talking about the Blitzkreig, for reference. And I know there's plenty of 7/11 mediums, but the Blitz is the only 50-ton capable of that that I know of.
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The Legionnaire is also 7/11.

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The Blitzkrieg doesn't seem any more like a line mech than the Alliance produced Clint and Assassin variants of the 3060s. The 8/12/8 Cicadas from the FWL have more armor. The Blitzkrieg is also the direct successor to the lighter Hollander, making it more comparable to the Kit Fox A that the Hollander was intended to mimic.

The Clan Invasion taught the Lyrans some lessons, and the tech resurgence allowed them to make better, faster mechs. We get locally produced heavy cav designs like the Falconer and Barghest, and by the late Jihad and Republic eras there are variants of the Uziel and Zeus X that cross 8 hexes in a jump.

These faster mechs make a great compliment to the traditional Lyran heavy lances and show that the Lyran forces of the Civil War era and later are closer to the diversity that Alessandro and Katrina were looking for at the turn of the century.

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The Blitz isn't really a scout mech anyway: it's a skirmisher that waits until the big mechs are brawling before running in and giving one of them a depleted uranium suppository.

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Next time someone has to lock the old thread so everyone(especially me) is aware that the show goes on in a new thread.
At least I didn't miss too much in these 1 3/4 years.

BTW is it just me or do these kind of threads get less and less attention every time a new one is opened.



I found it.

Finally have a proper map of their theaters.
And you found it where?

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Next time someone has to lock the old thread so everyone(especially me) is aware that the show goes on in a new thread.
At least I didn't miss too much in these 1 3/4 years.

BTW is it just me or do these kind of threads get less and less attention every time a new one is opened.


Yeah, I think so. And yes, the tech resurgence allowed the Lyrans to take both their blitzkrieg and their wall of steel tactics to greater extremes, and with better results. And the Blitzkrieg is basically just a Saladin with legs; use accordingly.
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There's the other Blitzkrieg which is just a nasty spotter. I like to team is up with a Hauptman, Banshee and Barghast.
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That's some serious pain, there.  I like it! >:D

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Has anyone a clue what the mainstay aerospace fighters are pre-3039 for the LCAF?

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Re: Kampfgruppe Steiner Operation: Götterdämmerung
« Reply #199 on: 03 September 2017, 15:40:37 »
Has anyone a clue what the mainstay aerospace fighters are pre-3039 for the LCAF?

I take you mean other than the Seydlitz, Lucifer and Chippewa? (note: The older, original 3025 TRO had the original batch of aerospace fighters arranged such that you saw what was supposed to be the most common light, medium and heavy aerospace fighters for each House...these three were the House Steiner fighters)

The Commonwealth also produced the following: Sabre, Centurion, Lightning, Hellcat, Typhoon, Thunderbird, Rapier

I may have missed some, but this should cover most of the pre-Star League, Star League and Succession Wars era fighters produced in the Lyran Commonwealth...

Edit: Weirdly enough, the board would not let me post the original subject line...had to shorten it...

Edit: I should also note that the LCAF is also stated to have more Stingray aerospace fighters than any other House outside of the FWL...

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So I was poking through FM3145 and noticed the Fifth Lyran Regulars use a "full strength" twelve-company regiment.  That struck me as weird compared to everything FMLA says about regimental strengths, but then it gave me an idea.  Still running with the 15th Lyran Regulars, that superheavy force, but I figured I'd have a little fun.  Keep the 12 companies, but mix them up in four companies per battalion and then organize on a more realistic setup.  Three 'line' companies, and a fourth 'specialist' company with all the firesupport and such there.

Granted this works better with more homogenous forces, but it might be interesting to see what comes out of this.  I guess to keep the companies working within the twelve-mech setup, first lance would be the company commander plus a bodyguard, then a two-mech firesupport pair, with the rest of the lances being straight up fighters.

I guess if I were going to play this straight and stick with a heavy/assault force pre-Clan era, what would be a proper Lyran 'command' mech?  Banshee 3E?  Or should a 3S be the bodyguard, and a company commander in a Battlemaster?  I guess Stalker 3Hs, Longbows, or Archers for fire-support 'mechs, and a mix of Zeus and Thunderbolt 5SS lances for line companies.  Special company probably has a pure firesupport lance and then maybe a Pixie-Firestarter-Commando-Commando set of two scout lances.

Now to tape my organization together...and see what the RATs are kind enough to provide.  Anyone ever do something with organizing more focused in capabilities like this?  Or just grab mechs, grab minis, and go for it?

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remember that the FMLA is set a hundred year before FM3145, and the whole "disarmament phase" of the 3090-3130s utterly changed the makeup of all the armies of the Inner Sphere.

The rebuilding in the 3130-> period allowed for new ideas and formations.

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Fair point, especially with the RCT->LCT conversions.  Though now I wonder how a 12 company regiment works!

For the 3SW/4SW era, would a command lance be the norm for a battalion or just straight up 36 'Mechs no ifs-ands-buts?

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Could be simple enough. 9 standard companies, 1 command company (usually found in RCTs according to FM:LA), and then maybe an extra lightning company or something.

Or someone couldn't do math and thought that 132 'Mechs was 12 companies instead of 11 :)

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I figured with the 132 mech thing, a command company for the regiment plus a command lance for each of three battalions fits the 11 companies perfectly.

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BattleTech has always mostly ignored support and non-combat elements... but it's possible that particular reference cited upthread might have been referencing them.  9 combat companies to form a standard regiment, plus 3 more support companies that don't have any combat elements.  Admin, Comms, and Medical, or similar.

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No, all unit strengths are combat units.

I should know, I wrote them :)

12 companies is simple - 4 battalions of 3 companies instead of 3.

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No command lances or company, then?  Just out of curiosity.

 

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