Canon Warship List

[Maingunnery]

Two Kuritian battleships sadly likely slip of the tongue by the author.  I would definitely love if the House Kurita had some Battleships of their own, but even modern 3067 era they were sabotaged by fiat.

Could they have been refits of an existing class (trading cargo space and thrust for weaponry)?   

[Bergie]

Unless there are a couple slips involved, battleship has appeared in both the Amaris War sourcebook and the Kurita Housebook.  With two references, I am figuring the word was not chosen facetiously.

[Wrangler]

Now certain new ship has arrived, i wonder if the Canon WarShip List will revive. ;)

[bronzite]

It is unclear to me from the text if the XTRO:Republic III entry represents new construction, or an upgrade package to the only surviving member of the class.

[Weirdo]

New construction, no question.

[Stormlion1]

New construction, no question.

The Ghost Bears have a very effective design, there going to build a few more. Anyone else think they have partly learned from what little they know of what happened in the Homeworlds?

[Wrangler]

The Ghost Bears have a very effective design, there going to build a few more. Anyone else think they have partly learned from what little they know of what happened in the Homeworlds?

Few? If they have a chance, we don't know if first one has even launched yet.  It took them what, began work in super secret in 3132 and reportively by XTRO: Republic 3 as of 3146, possibly done by 3150??  They'll be lucky if they can put production into more than one at that pace.  Not saying I don't want more.....

My hopes that the population needy Snow Ravens are able to produce a smaller escort ship for the Bears.  Maybe get one additional Lev III for themselves, while saving on man power to crew their remaining mothballed ships.

[Stormlion1]

Few? If they have a chance, we don't know if first one has even launched yet.  It took them what, began work in super secret in 3132 and reportively by XTRO: Republic 3 as of 3146, possibly done by 3150??  They'll be lucky if they can put production into more than one at that pace.  Not saying I don't want more.....

My hopes that the population needy Snow Ravens are able to produce a smaller escort ship for the Bears.  Maybe get one additional Lev III for themselves, while saving on man power to crew their remaining mothballed ships.

They did build a escort design for the Leviathans before. The Conqueror-class ships. And building more should be within the Ravens capability's I think.

[Wrangler]

They did build a escort design for the Leviathans before. The Conqueror-class ships. And building more should be within the Ravens capability's I think.

Only problem with that is that those weren't new builds, they were converted older Pursuit Ships.  They would have build them from scratch which isn't quite a easy feat to do, though they still have managed to maintain and keep their two Conqueror-class operational to be recommissioned.

[Stormlion1]

Only problem with that is that those weren't new builds, they were converted older Pursuit Ships.  They would have build them from scratch which isn't quite a easy feat to do, though they still have managed to maintain and keep their two Conqueror-class operational to be recommissioned.

True, but it is possible and the design was originally for Leviathan escorts. And if nothing else the Raven's could do the same with other warships, converting them into custom made escort vessels for the Leviathans.

[Wrangler]

True, but it is possible and the design was originally for Leviathan escorts. And if nothing else the Raven's could do the same with other warships, converting them into custom made escort vessels for the Leviathans.

Very true.  Being the usually XTRO entries (barring unique unit once in a while, exception of the Republic sub-series) are usually variants of existing unit, that includes Leviathan and Leviathan II.  They could make a Conqueror II, but naval guy in me would more want a original new design for a new age verses new built variant.  Beggars can be choosers these days, we just had miracle of a new built WarShip in late Dark Age!

[Stormlion1]

Very true.  Being the usually XTRO entries (barring unique unit once in a while, exception of the Republic sub-series) are usually variants of existing unit, that includes Leviathan and Leviathan II.  They could make a Conqueror II, but naval guy in me would more want a original new design for a new age verses new built variant.  Beggars can be choosers these days, we just had miracle of a new built WarShip in late Dark Age!

Oh yes, a new built ship and also a variant. I am just hoping it sparks a naval race.

[truetanker]

They should be building Carracks armed with a good amount of support dropships, hell each one of those has what, 60K+ in cargo capacity? Make a few of these bad boys and use them as system defense.

TT

[Wrangler]

It's hard to say.  Frankly without any mention anywhere, as far we know there only the single Leviathan III being/have been built.  Likeliness to me of a second design being produced is properly highly remote for a second WarShip Class or even variant.    I can see the Ravens given enough resources and encouragement that they could upgrade their existing Conqueror-Class ships.  But canonically we don't know.

The only design i know we have not seen are the ones the Sea Foxes use as their mobile habitats, but there not true warships anymore, just frame work of them.

Talk of should be making Carracks ships, is i don't think possibility either.  Waste resources building a thin-armored ships, even upgraded to support DropShips when you can build cheaper large JumpShips in their place.

[Frabby]

When I read over the Leviathan III entry I was under the impression a second one might be built at Quattre Belle.

[Vition2]

While possible I'd rather see a new, different, warship classes being put together at Quatre Belle.  Too many Lev III's will turn space combat into a joke.  The Ravens are also much more resource poor than the Dominion, so if it's taken them 12+ years to put one together, then it's probably gonna take the Ravens longer.

I suspect we'll see something completely new, but in the vein of the Lev III, probably something along these design parameters:
- Decently sized, maybe as high as a million tons, unlikely to be more, but probably smaller than that, I'm expecting "battlecruiser" sized.
- Good anti-fighter, capital missile, and PWS defenses - probably using a large number of NLs and AMS.
- Large number of DS collars compared to its size, maybe even maxed out.  With low numbers of warships in the universe, something capable of standing alone against large numbers of PWS is likely to be considered.  And what better way to counter PWS than with your own PWS?  ARTS SC bays are likely to remain a thing too.
- Integral ASF attachment is likely to be smallish, no more than the 60 the Lev III carries and likely closer to 30 or 40.

Once the prototype is produced, and the production kinks are out of the way, I could see a new one of these rolling off the line about once every 3ish years (and a Lev III once every 5ish).

Edit: Okay, that's really optimistic, but a guy can wish can't he. xD

[Wrangler]

With all the fluff from FM:3145 and Era Report: 3145.  I get the impression that Raven Alliance's Clan warrior caste isn't sufficient enough to maintain their current surviving fleet they had in mothballs due.  They're are enough of people man a another Lev III unless they plan only to man that one ship and perhaps another one.  They'll cut their fleet down a bit.  I'm not against them having another WarShip, i don't think they can handle it and their current fleet.   I'd imagine they could be building it for the Bear's per contract, or they could do a "harvest" Trials for personal from Dominion.   Again, this speculation.

If i were ask for new design, I'd be asking for a large Frigate instead, which could double as a battle transport.  I rather have more numbers of ships, than one honking ship with bunch of escort DropShips and fighters.

[The Eagle]

If the Ravens are back into the ship-building game, I'd like to see the League get back into it, too.  After all, they control one of the few remaining WarShip production-capable yards in the Successor States, and they're the closest thing the Spheroid powers ever had to "naval/aerospace-specialist" faction.  Likely to happen?  I give the odds as "slim to none."  But with the Sharkfoxes helping Atreus out, it's not impossible.

[Stormlion1]

I just want the FedSuns to find that missing Avalon cruiser. They need warships support!

[truetanker]

I'm with The Eagle, more Marik ships.

Maybe a Block III League using LGR in and ER weapons, better AMS point protection and all that.

Possible supporting craft:
Lyonesse-M1
Merlin
Merlin-R1
Hamical
Gorgon

TT

[beachhead1985]

I'm going to do a "State of Warships" for my Der Tag AU.

I know I've seen a list of active warships at the end of the Jihad, but where is it? Anyone help me out? I Thought for sure FM 3085, but the only warships I found were listed under the Republic Navy.

Thanks for your time.

[mrbooth]

Fm 3145 for the most current and the field report series for before fm 3085

[beachhead1985]

Is there some part in 3085 that has what I need, that I am just missing?

[beachhead1985]

Fm 3145 for the most current and the field report series for before fm 3085

That came out as an almost perfect reference!

Now, where can I get a full list of WOB ships at the start of the Jihad and thos unaccounted for at the end?

In addition; I knew we were missing two Smoke Jaguar Warships and I know that at least some Sierra-Jays joined up with Stone...did those ships ever get accounted for as well?

[BrokenMnemonic]

Now, where can I get a full list of WOB ships at the start of the Jihad and thos unaccounted for at the end?

Jihad: Final Reckoning, page 128.

In addition; I knew we were missing two Smoke Jaguar Warships and I know that at least some Sierra-Jays joined up with Stone...did those ships ever get accounted for as well?

The fates of the Smoke Jaguar ships Osis' Pride and Streaking Mist are covered in Wars of Reaving. The Smoke Jaguars who ended up with Stone didn't come with any WarShips, but were given a WarShip during the Dark Age by the Republic. That's covered in Field Manul: 3145.

[beachhead1985]

Jihad: Final Reckoning, page 128.The fates of the Smoke Jaguar ships Osis' Pride and Streaking Mist are covered in Wars of Reaving. The Smoke Jaguars who ended up with Stone didn't come with any WarShips, but were given a WarShip during the Dark Age by the Republic. That's covered in Field Manul: 3145.

Awesome! Thanks! This is everything i need.

[beachhead1985]

Am I correct in understanding that we have no real way to know what went into/came out of the Clan Naval Caches?

There is not compiled list of mothballed ships in the homeworlds, as of, say; 3060ish?

[Vition2]

Am I correct in understanding that we have no real way to know what went into/came out of the Clan Naval Caches?

You are correct.

There is not compiled list of mothballed ships in the homeworlds, as of, say; 3060ish?

Nope.

We really don't have very hard numbers regarding the homeworld's warship caches.  Post Pentagon-Civil War, 260 warships remain of the 403 that accompanied the Exodus fleet.  We know a fair few warships were built, but specific numbers are unknown.  It would not be difficult to believe that the clans, as a whole (including the WiE) have access to a total of around 300 warships around the date you are looking at - this would include those ships mothballed in the naval caches.  I'll also mention that looking at all the fleets given in FM: Updates, we can account for around 256 active warships.  In addition, 5 Kimagures survived through the Amaris Civil War, so there could be as many as 3 left in the naval caches (though some could have been destroyed during the pentagon civil war).

[Frabby]

Even the actual number of WarShips (and JumpShips) on the Exodus is a bit fuzzy around the edges.

Does the number refer to the ships at New Samarkand only (which is inferred given that the IS knows the number from DCMS reports), or the supposed actual total number?
Not all Exodus ships jumped away with the main fleet. We do know, for example, from the example of the SLS Manassas, that there were rear-guard elements, with the possibility that Schwartz was one secondary rallying point for other, late Exodus fleet elements. The short story When the Bears Left strongly infers that some units were lagging behind the main Exodus fleet, as the protagonists of that story could not realistically have reached the rallying point in time to join the main fleet before they left.
(Note, I do assume that there was one single Exodus fleet formed shortly afterwards. But there is sufficient evidence plus the proven single case of the Manassas to say that not all Exodus ships jumped out into the periphery from the same rallying point, or at the same time.)

We do not know if the numbers given are the actual (supposed) numbers of vessels or only those counted by the DCMS observers.
Further, we do not know the definitions that were used in the context - neither Kerensky nor the DCMS were bound by the BT rulebooks.
How do we know if the Newgrange, Potemkin, and Carrack class vessels in the Exodus fleet were counted among the WarShips when they could also have been considered JumpShips (being essentially non-combattants) or even a third, unmentioned group of auxiliary vessels?
How do we know if the Bug-Eye class vessels in the fleet weren't completely overlooked? And if they weren't, were they counted as WarShips, JumpShips, auxiliary ships, or mistaken for DropShips? (Same about any Nightwing or Tracker vessels, if any survived to accompany the Exodus.)

[beachhead1985]

So, if I was to say; empty the naval caches in about 3060-3063ish, it wouldn't be unreasonable of me to use the RAT in the back of FM: SLDF or make one myself?