2nd Succession Wars Spoilers: The Minnesota REDACTED

[Adrian Gideon]

I don't know if the post is still around following the restoral but I'm pretty sure I remember AG saying that the DTF are actually all set and ready to go and it's getting the .pdf out the door is what's holding everything up.  Which is pretty much the opposite of what I'd have expected to be the case, but hey what do I know about publishing games :)

Not what I said, you must be misremembering. The print books are not out yet. We had some advance copies sent to Origins. There is no street date yet. The delay on getting the PDF out has nothing to do with the print book.

[ActionButler]

Many thanks, Ray.  Always great to get clarification from the source.

[truetanker]

Will there be some at Gencon?

TT

[Daemion]

So yeah. Mysteries are fine, but for some apparently, they dislike mysteries that are poked and prodded every 5 minutes without anything concrete being resolved :)

Sounds so much like any of those 'did they find bigfoot' shows that comes on, provides interesting evidence, but doesn't have a conclusion. That does get tiring.  That does give me an interesting idea for a campaign. 

[Daemion]

More seriously now, I'm in the camp of wanting an answer.  But I like to have mysteries laid out, even if it's just "Here's the two or three possibilities we operate from - they're not mutually exclusive in regards to future events or past ones, but we'll never contradict any of them from here on out either."  I just think it makes for richer storytelling.

Well, there's also the GM guide helps for using them as plot hooks.  Sometimes, designing a game takes more effort than a GM is willing to put into it, and having some definitives to work from when the brain isn't working too well helps.  I think, since there is a Roleplaying game supported in the BattleTech Franchise, and a lot of the source material is more for that benefit, and for people looking in from the outside (like general fans and players), there should be some strong hints as to what will be the stance of the design team.  For that matter, it gives someone trying to break into the writing pool, as well as those already in it, some guideline of what's acceptable and what isn't, should they try to tackle it.

An honest look should be made at what the product is designed to do to support the different forms of Game that CGL has available to a fan of the BattleTech Franchise as a whole. 

[marauder648]

Okay..I know why they did it but still

FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUUFUFUFUFU!!IGIBIBIAFABABARABLLBLB!

CURSE YOU!



*lets out a deep breath* Okay....better now.  Damn good book.

[Wrangler]

I'm bit annoyed. The Minnesota thing might as well be dead at this point.  Unless something of it comes back, there no point going into it.  :P

[Dark Jackal]

I like things to have consistency even if all of the answers aren't readily available to the in-universe people or sources we are to read from. That being said, I also don't want to be spoon fed inconsistency that would make folks or sources within the universe seem off base or ludicrous for doing things or believing in information that was essentially redacted in other books. If it reads like an editor's decision to change the direction of a story it will certainly sound like it and remove the narrative from being believable and interesting. SO, the whole Wolverine experiment is leaving me a bit wanting with all of the folks around the Wolverines that have interacted with them or ran across them. Whether it is with the genesis of the Clans, through to the successor wars, or to the Jihad's Climax I expected more out of the characters that were around the Wolverines/Not-Named-Clan.

[Xtrahmxwohld]

We already know who Stone is...Ghostbear confirmed that he is one of the 4 people listed in Masters and Minions.

There are at least four men that roughly match Stone’s vital statistics: James Pervu, a construction foreman from Gei-Fu; Christopher Sheldon, a lance commander in the Kittery Planetary Militia; Saul Miller, an AFFS administrative assistant stationed on Tikonov; and Jahn Prowell, a shipping captain
from Sian.

[Pat Payne]

We already know who Stone is...Ghostbear confirmed that he is one of the 4 people listed in Masters and Minions.

The problem is that there's one thing Ghostbear is not, and that's an official writer for CGL anymore  :(. (I'm not saying that to snark or slight Ben Rome, but just stating a fact). Anything he said can be overridden or ignored by whomever takes up his torch if they decide to go in a different direction. 

[sadlerbw]

Okay..I know why they did it but still

FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUUFUFUFUFU!!IGIBIBIAFABABARABLLBLB!

CURSE YOU!



*lets out a deep breath* Okay....better now.  Damn good book.

I think you meant ilKHAAAAAN!

I assume you are talking about Blake/Toyama's plan for ComStar, quiaff? They thought they could keep the lie alive at the highest levels of the organization to keep it focused on it's true mission. So foolish. They should have known they couldn't just erase the religious trappings further down the line.

[Baldur Mekorig]

So far, the 2nd SW book is very interesting...but i have to repeat a question that i made some years ago when the Wars of Reaving Supplemental came out.......Do you guys in CGL ask a spanish speaker when you try to use spanish terms and phrases? The Maestros de Queso pirate unit name is more funny than i think the author originally meant.

[Pat Payne]

I just finished that opening story, and wow. That is IMO one of the best-written pieces of fiction in the BTU. No battles, no PPCs fired off, nobody dies violently (at least in-story, of course the Succession Wars are the backdrop for the whole shebang) but just a long-running quiet, intimate moment between two friends.

What I like about it was its flipping the tables on the previous canon account of ComStar's forming (the public version) that Toyama was this religious nut who against Blake's will set Blake up as a prophet and saint after his death to grab power. It was interesting to instead see that the truth of the matter was so radically different, and in a way that made the story poignant ("No man hath greater love than this, than to lay down his life for a friend," indeed, Mr. Toyama...). And the last scene in Hilton Head was especially touching, to see just how much crap poor Conrad had to put up with to carry out Jerome's last wishes.

I also absolutely love how both Blake and Toyama, without knowing that this would happen, elaborate on just how much the WoB is going to screw the pooch some 250 years down the line with regards to following the will of Jerome Blake. 

[Adrian Gideon]

Loved the opening fiction.

[Weirdo]

...Maestros de Queso...

PLEASE tell me that means what I think it means...

[Alexander Knight]

PLEASE tell me that means what I think it means...

Oh, it does....

[Baldur Mekorig]

PLEASE tell me that means what I think it means...

Masters made of cheese... ;D

Cheese Masters would be Maestros del Queso.

[Adrian Gideon]

*shrug* I'm Spanish. Didn't strike me as particularly wrong.

[Baldur Mekorig]

*shrug* I'm Spanish. Didn't strike me as particularly wrong.

You are spanish? Do not know why i tought you were canadian. Peripheric bum...i mean, argentinian here.

[worktroll]

Masters made of cheese... ;D

Cheese Masters would be Maestros del Queso.

Liguistic drift, like the Manei Domini's dog-Latin.

That, or Imperial Gothic, and the Maestros side-slipped from the W40K universe ... "masters of cheese" indeed :)

W.

[Adrian Gideon]

You are spanish? Do not know why i tought you were canadian. Peripheric bum...i mean, argentinian here.

Hispanic. Cuban. O0

Liguistic drift, like the Manei Domini's dog-Latin.

That, or my Spanish is lax and slangy. :)

[Weirdo]

Either translation makes me inordinately happy, and I have a new unit to build.

[SteveRestless]

We already know who Stone is...Ghostbear confirmed that he is one of the 4 people listed in Masters and Minions.

We also have Herb before him saying that Stone is nobody special. http://restless.mechadynamics.net/11_30_2013.png


more on-topic, I find it strange that the framing device is that this document was passed along to be used as a sibko training document, but does not pay the slightest attention to the taboo around naming the not-named. which the document does liberally.

[Baldur Mekorig]

That, or my Spanish is lax and slangy. :)

 With some many years living in northern barbarian lands in understandable. Couple of years back in the civilization and you will be speaking the LINGVA LATINA again perfectly!  ::) ;D

Either translation makes me inordinately happy, and I have a new unit to build.

And i will be waiting eagerly to see it.  :D

[Weirdo]

So are the Cheese Masters of Cheese composed solely of those T-Bolts?

[Empyrus]

more on-topic, I find it strange that the framing device is that this document was passed along to be used as a sibko training document, but does not pay the slightest attention to the taboo around naming the not-named. which the document does liberally.

Well, the taboo could have died by 3250. Alternatively, sibkos will be provided with a censored text, the text presented for us is presented for the IlKhan after all, and they know the truth, no?

Also, it might be that the text is not edited because it was written by a Spheroid (even if it was edited by a Clanner), maybe they didn't feel the need to modify it (whether from laziness or respect, can't say).

The real reason is, of course, that some people would be very confused about reading a Clan Not-named in rather odd place. Can't have realism cause issues for IRL readers.

[Baldur Mekorig]

So are the Cheese Masters of Cheese composed solely of those T-Bolts?

 That would be Cheese`s Cheese Masters? My mastery of the barbarian language its not at the level i would prefer.  O:-)

[Wrangler]

Loved the opening fiction.

It was great, but was it Chris Hartford who wrote it?  I noticed it didn't have a author's name attached unless its just his since he listed as main author of the book.

[Adrian Gideon]

Paul Sjardijn wrote it.

[worktroll]

Paul has done some great stuff.

"I'm sorry - am I interrupting something?" is one of my all-time favourite BT lines. You have to consider the context ... :)

W.