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Design Challenge - What Might Have Been...
« on: 04 February 2011, 22:19:12 »
Hello all...

Ove the years, many of us have complained about the SL WarShips, their huge cargo, at times low acceleration and in general the fluff not matching the stats for the design.

Well this is your chance to FIX that. Pick a ship, re-read the fluff and then (based on the original stats) modify it so that it better reflects the stated capabilities. Take the time to explain your changes if you can.

For Example

SOVETSKII SOYUZ

The much maligned heavy cruiser was actually a very different beast on the drawing board than the vessel that finally entered service. The reason: Cost Cutting. In order to mass produce as many vessels as possible, several cost and time saving measures were taken. Acceleration was cut in half, weapon mounts were left un-installed and armoured protection was scaled back. It was always the intention of the Quartermaster Command, to slowly bring the vessels 'up to spec' through a scheduled series of refits, unfortunatly, the Amaris Coup halted that program.

SOV SOY (Upgrade)
Thrust = 4/6
Armour = 1300t of Ferro Aluminium
Armament upgraded to:
12 NAC 30
24 NL 45 (remember those missing 18 in TRO2750)
8 MNPPCs
8 AR10 Launchers
Cargo: 78 000t approx

That, I think matches the fluff a little better, especially the comment about the ships firepower...

Now this is just my take on just one design...what else can we come up with?

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« Reply #1 on: 06 February 2011, 16:13:16 »
  Here is my upgrade:

                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
                                  VALIDATED

Class/Model/Name:  McKenna Class Battleship (upgrade) (2750)
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 2652
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 2, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              1,930,000 tons
Hull:              Cortex UltraBond
K-F Drive System:  KF King I
Length:            1,405 meters
Sail Diameter:     1,560 meters
Power Plant:       Goliath LV9 Standard
Safe Thrust:       3
Maximum Thrust:    5
Armor Type:        Ulston C5-A Lamellor Ferro-carbide

Armament:         
   12 NAC/40
   12 Thunderbolt-55 NL55
   14 ER PPC
    8 ER Large Laser
    4 Large Pulse Laser
   56 AMS
    5 Maelstrom AR10 Launcher
   48 Kreuss XX Heavy NPPC
    1 AR10 Launcher

Manufacturer:   Blue Nose Clipperships
  Location:     MArs
Communications System:  Mercury TY60
Targeting & Tracking System:  Communal V-1a
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==Overview:==
        The McKenna Class battleship was the largest jump-capable craft built
during the Star League and remains perhaps the best-known of all WarShip
classes. Weighing a little under 2 million tons and measuring 1.5 kilometers
in length, the mere presence of a McKenna can make an opponent reconsider
military action. But the McKenna’s fearsome reputation was not built on its
size alone.
        An unprecedented number and variety of weapons give the design an
arsenal that remains impressive even by modern standards. Forty-eight Kreuss
XX PPCs mounted in the vessel’s side and stern provide the bulk of its
firepower. Capable of engaging any targets larger than fighter craft within
400 kilometers, these powerful weapons could cripple or destroy most WarShips
of the time with a single volley. However, the McKenna’s massive arsenal also
generates an unprecedented amount of heat, necessitating a multitude of
coolant circuits. The McKenna’s distinctive ventral and dorsal fins form part
of this system and increase the area from which the vessel can radiate heat.
The cooling circuit can be operated at a reduced capacity when the vessel is
not engaged in combat. This reduces the McKenna’s infrared signature, and
consequently the likelihood an enemy will detect it. A complement of sixteen
aerospace fighter squadrons and six DropShips round out the McKenna’s
offensive capabilities.
        The McKenna earned a reputation as an excellent combat vessel shortly
after its introduction in 2652. Indeed, a tour of duty on a McKenna came to be
considered the high point of a naval career. The design’s reputation, however,
made McKennas prime targets during the war to liberate Terra. Although 280
McKennas had been produced in the 130 years before the fall of the Star
League, only 29 survived to see the liberation. Eleven of those vessels were
so badly damaged they had to be scuttled. The remaining vessels left with the
Exodus fleet, but only three have been seen in service with the Clans.
        Rumor has it that one such vessel – the McKenna's Pride, flagship of
Aleksandr and later Nicholas Kerensky – maintains a geosynchronous orbit above
Strana Mechty. Reportedly, technicians drawn from all the Clans maintain the
vessel in pristine condition. The vessel is rumored to form the centerpiece of
the Clan Founding Day celebrations, and the story holds that until one Clan
captures Terra and assumes its place as ilClan, the McKenna’s Pride will
remain above Strana Mechty.

==Notable Vessels & Crews:==
Clan Vessels:
McKenna's Pride (In orbit around Strana Mechty)

Cloud Cobra - Second Coming
Goliath Scorpion - Lei Kung (Flagship)
Ice Hellion - Cage's Pride
Snow Ravens - James McKenna
Star Adders - Sovereign Right
WiE - Werewolf

Old Star League Vessels:
McKenna's Pride (Exodus - in orbit at Strana Mechty)

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Class/Model/Name:  McKenna Class Battleship (upgrade) (2750)
Mass:              1,930,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      347,400.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 3
      Maximum Thrust: 5
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 37)               873,325.00
Lithium Fusion Battery                                              19,300.00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 7)                                             126.00
Structural Integrity: 95                                           183,350.00
Total Heat Sinks:    7,500 Double                                    6,622.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  14,036.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              4,825.00
Fire Control Computers:                                                   .00
Food & Water:  (400 days supply)                                     1,912.00
Hyperpulse Generator:                                                   50.00
Armor Type:  Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (3,725 total armor pts)         3,665.00

                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                600
   Fore-Left/Right:                  700/700
   Aft-Left/Right:                   600/600
   Aft:                                 525

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Fighters (108) with 20 doors                              16,200.00
   Bay 2:  Small Craft (20) with 2 doors                             4,000.00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (1) with 2 doors                                  200,000.00

DropShip Capacity:  6 Docking Hardpoints                             6,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 3:  (45-meter diameter)                                150.00
Grav Decks #4 - 5:  (75-meter diameter)                                100.00
Life Boats:  110 (7 tons each)                                         770.00
Escape Pods:  110 (7 tons each)                                        770.00

Crew and Passengers:
     95 Officers (90 minimum)                                          950.00
    350 Crew (336 minimum)                                           2,450.00
     95 Gunners (92 minimum)                                           665.00
    100 Marines                                                        500.00
    316 Bay Personnel                                                     .00

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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1 NAC/40(100 rounds)       Nose        40     40     --     --  135  4,620.00
1 NAC/40(100 rounds)       Nose        40     40     --     --  135  4,620.00
2 NL55                     Nose        11     11     11     11  170  2,200.00
3 ER PPC                   Nose     3(30)  3(30)  3(30)     --   45     21.00
3 ER Large Laser           Nose     2(24)  2(24)  2(24)     --   36     15.00
3 Large Pulse Laser        Nose     3(27)  3(27)     --     --   30     21.00
7 AMS(3000 rounds)         Nose        --     --     --     --    7    253.50
1 NAC/40(100 rounds)       FL/R        40     40     --     --  270  9,240.00
1 NAC/40(100 rounds)       FL/R        40     40     --     --  270  9,240.00
1 NAC/40(100 rounds)       FL/R        40     40     --     --  270  9,240.00
3 NL55                     FL/R        17     17     17     17  510  6,600.00
1 AR10 (10 KW, 10 WS, 10 B)FL/R         *      *      *      *   40  2,900.00
1 AR10 (10 KW, 10 WS, 10 B)FL/R         *      *      *      *   40  2,900.00
3 ER PPC                   FL/R     3(30)  3(30)  3(30)     --   90     42.00
2 ER Large Laser           FL/R     2(16)  2(16)  2(16)     --   48     20.00
7 AMS(3000 rounds)         FL/R        --     --     --     --   14    507.00
4 Heavy NPPC               L/RBS       60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC               L/RBS       60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC               L/RBS       60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
1 ER PPC                   L/RBS    1(10)  1(10)  1(10)     --   30     14.00
7 AMS(3000 rounds)         L/RBS       --     --     --     --   14    507.00
4 Heavy NPPC               AL/R        60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC               AL/R        60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC               AL/R        60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
1 ER PPC                   AL/R     1(10)  1(10)  1(10)     --   30     14.00
7 AMS(3000 rounds)         AL/R        --     --     --     --   14    507.00
4 NL55                     Aft         22     22     22     22  340  4,400.00
1 NAC/40(100 rounds)       Aft         40     40     --     --  135  4,620.00
1 NAC/40(100 rounds)       Aft         40     40     --     --  135  4,620.00
1 NAC/40(100 rounds)       Aft         40     40     --     --  135  4,620.00
1 NAC/40(100 rounds)       Aft         40     40     --     --  135  4,620.00
1 AR10 (10 KW, 10 WS, 10 B)Aft          *      *      *      *   20  1,450.00
1 AR10 (10 KW, 10 WS, 10 B)Aft          *      *      *      *   20  1,450.00
1 ER PPC                   Aft      1(10)  1(10)  1(10)     --   15      7.00
1 ER Large Laser           Aft       1(8)   1(8)   1(8)     --   12      5.00
1 Large Pulse Laser        Aft       1(9)   1(9)     --     --   10      7.00
7 AMS(3000 rounds)         Aft         --     --     --     --    7    253.50
1 Lot Spare Parts (1.00%)                                           19,300.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                           Heat: 13,962   1,930,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        24,170,554,080 C-Bills
Battle Value:      262,639
Cost per BV:       92,029.46
Weapon Value:      186,532 (Ratio = .71)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 12,202;  MRV = 12,005;  LRV = 9,373;  ERV = 2,344
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,090,016
                   (218,400 Structure, 482,532 Life Support, 389,084 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 1,200,375  (110% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable

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Re: Design Challenge - What Might Have Been...
« Reply #2 on: 07 February 2011, 01:12:56 »
Not bad ATN082268...not bad at all...

On a side note, so people don't go crazy, cargo must remain above a minimum 5% with 10% being considered more the ideal, particularly for larger vessels. (Which you did ATN082268! Well done)

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Re: Design Challenge - What Might Have Been...
« Reply #3 on: 07 February 2011, 10:46:31 »
Not bad ATN082268...not bad at all...

On a side note, so people don't go crazy, cargo must remain above a minimum 5% with 10% being considered more the ideal, particularly for larger vessels. (Which you did ATN082268! Well done)

  Thanks. Basically, I enhanced its defenses. I was also thinking about adding a Large Naval Comm-Scanner Suite, probably by dropping close to 500 tons of fuel.

  Sincerely,

    Andrew

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Re: Design Challenge - What Might Have Been...
« Reply #4 on: 07 February 2011, 18:24:37 »
  Thanks. Basically, I enhanced its defenses. I was also thinking about adding a Large Naval Comm-Scanner Suite, probably by dropping close to 500 tons of fuel.

  Sincerely,

    Andrew

Here's my improved Mckenna, not quite as durable as yours...

Mckenna (Upgrade)
Thrust = 3/5
Armour = 2267t of Ferro Carbide
Armament upgraded to:
16 NAC 40
24 NL 55
64 HNPPCs (Redistributed between all side arcs as follows: 8/16/8)
12 AR10 Launchers
Cargo: 172 000t approx

In addition, Fighter scale armament of more than 200 weapons including 36 AMS 96 ER Large Lasers and 48 Small Pulse Lasers all distributed evenly around the hull.

This version of the Mckenna can smack pretty much anything, anywhere on any facing and laughs at fighter attacks!