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Cannonshop

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Downgrade Omnifighter loadouts (challenge)
« on: 07 November 2022, 22:36:22 »
Take an Omnifighter from when the Inner Sphere still didnt have any.  Now, work your imagination:

YOur Great House has, through some freak coincidence, intercepted a shipment Clan Omnifighters...but no omni PODS to go on the fighters-just the housings, not the weapons or special equipment.

You have PLENTY of 3025 era weapons, and they WILL fit the omnipod housings you picked up...

so, what does it look like when you're done?  You're up againsta a wall here, you nEED the aerospace fighters those airframes represent, but you don't have the fancy clantech weapons to put on them...but you do have plenty of IS 3025, succession-wars-era hardware you can bolt on instead, (though it IS heavier and bulkier).

So show us what you can do with inferior weapons on proven to be superior airframes!
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Re: Downgrade Omnifighter loadouts (challenge)
« Reply #1 on: 08 November 2022, 08:17:04 »
My understanding is that the inability to mix heat sinks means that the Omnifighters can only benefit from their built in heat sinks.  That's an interesting additional implicit constraint on the heavy end.

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Re: Downgrade Omnifighter loadouts (challenge)
« Reply #2 on: 08 November 2022, 09:52:17 »
TBH. Even if they're stuck with their internal heat sinks, we're working in the Lostech era, 20 heat is not just perfectly acceptable, it's downright generous.

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Re: Downgrade Omnifighter loadouts (challenge)
« Reply #3 on: 08 November 2022, 12:59:18 »
Started with the Sulla, as it had a T/OT of 9/14 (315 XL engine), 8.5 tons armor, a total of 13 DHS, 5 tons of fuel and 14.5 tons of pod space.

The biggest problem it will have is that its armor is Clan Ferro-Aluminum, which means as the armor is lost it will go from a total of 163 pts to 136 pts.

So for 14.5 tons and 26 pts of heat dissipation you can get:
  • Anti-shipping: Twin PPCs (and a half ton left over)
  • Average: 1 PPC, 7 Medium Lasers (and a half ton left over)
  • LRM special: 5xLRM-5, 3 tons ammo, 1 medium Laser (and a half ton left over)

So you have a very high accel, long endurance fighter, plenty of cooling, but with only half the armor it could conceivably have and that armor will degrade in capability very quickly.  It will reward good pilots who stay nimble, but if the fighter gets focused on it will die rapidly.  If the engine takes any damage it has to be removed from service as the engine cannot be repaired with a 3025 tech base.

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Re: Downgrade Omnifighter loadouts (challenge)
« Reply #4 on: 08 November 2022, 13:55:24 »
Started with the Sulla, as it had a T/OT of 9/14 (315 XL engine), 8.5 tons armor, a total of 13 DHS, 5 tons of fuel and 14.5 tons of pod space.

The biggest problem it will have is that its armor is Clan Ferro-Aluminum, which means as the armor is lost it will go from a total of 163 pts to 136 pts.

So for 14.5 tons and 26 pts of heat dissipation you can get:
  • Anti-shipping: Twin PPCs (and a half ton left over)
  • Average: 1 PPC, 7 Medium Lasers (and a half ton left over)
  • LRM special: 5xLRM-5, 3 tons ammo, 1 medium Laser (and a half ton left over)

So you have a very high accel, long endurance fighter, plenty of cooling, but with only half the armor it could conceivably have and that armor will degrade in capability very quickly.  It will reward good pilots who stay nimble, but if the fighter gets focused on it will die rapidly.  If the engine takes any damage it has to be removed from service as the engine cannot be repaired with a 3025 tech base.

I don't recall saying you have to downgrade the ARMOR, just the weapons.
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Re: Downgrade Omnifighter loadouts (challenge)
« Reply #5 on: 08 November 2022, 17:07:37 »
Here's one. 

The Scytha IS engages at long range using an experimental LTC to inflict brutal damage, with the endurance of 5 tons of ammunition and 13 small lasers providing point defense.  Enemy forces typically can't flee unless they are particularly fast given the 6/9 movement profile.   If they instead turn to attack, a PPC kicks in at medium range dealing another threshold hit.  At short range all these weapons combine to deal 69 points of damage with an overheat of 3, 60 with zero overheat, or 54 with -2 overheat using a wing + a nose.  Light fighters looking to attack the tail discover 4 medium lasers which likely cause threshold hits for them as well.

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Scytha IS 3025

Mass: 90 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 360 XL
Armor: Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:
     42.5 tons of pod space
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3025
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-E-D
Cost: 20,395,972 C-bills

Type: Scytha  I
Technology Base: Mixed (Experimental)
Tonnage: 90
Battle Value: 2,143

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        360 XL               16.5
Safe Thrust: 6
Max Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity:         9                       
Heat Sinks:                   20 [40]                10
Fuel:                         320                   4.0
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          268                    14

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    89   
     Wings                 66/66   
     Aft                     47   

Fixed Equipment
None

Weapons
and Ammo                    Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
Long Tom Cannon               NOS       20.0     20    20   20   20    0 
PPC                           NOS       7.0      10    10   10    0    0 
3 Small Laser                 NOS       1.5      1      3    0    0    0 
5 Small Laser                 RWG       2.5      1      3    0    0    0 
Long Tom Cannon Ammo (25)     FSLG      5.0      -      -    -    -    - 
5 Small Laser                 LWG       2.5      1      3    0    0    0 
4 Medium Laser                AFT       4.0      3      5    0    0    0 

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Re: Downgrade Omnifighter loadouts (challenge)
« Reply #6 on: 08 November 2022, 17:54:51 »
I don't recall saying you have to downgrade the ARMOR, just the weapons.

Unless they have a way to replace the armor, the existing Clan Ferro-fibrous armor will eventually be gone and they will have to use locally-sourced armor.  That will result in a downgrading.

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Re: Downgrade Omnifighter loadouts (challenge)
« Reply #7 on: 08 November 2022, 20:29:53 »
Love the LTAC one, but with these constraints?  A PPC and all the Medium Lasers you can fit...  ^-^

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Re: Downgrade Omnifighter loadouts (challenge)
« Reply #8 on: 08 November 2022, 20:57:33 »
Love the LTAC one, but with these constraints?  A PPC and all the Medium Lasers you can fit...  ^-^
Given that you are stuck with precisely 20 DHSs, that's plausibly 11MLs facing forward for overheat by 3.  That's 65/10/0 damage at S/M/L.   With Scytha IS, you manage 69/30/20 damage and can optionally sink 19.5 missile damage at M&L ranges. 

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Re: Downgrade Omnifighter loadouts (challenge)
« Reply #9 on: 08 November 2022, 21:00:06 »
That's exactly what I'm talking about...  8)