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Fighter of the Week Workshop #018 - Lucifer
« on: 18 February 2011, 04:40:36 »
Quote from: Trace Coburn
  The first thing I would do if I was modifying a Lucifer would be a complete redesign of the cockpit area to install an escape system, because that's what the pilots need most; after that, I'd have the lowest-bidder TTS and comms systems replaced by ones from the second-lowest bidder.  >:(  I don't see why pilots should die because of some engineer's ******-up when they could be punching out and climbing into fresh planes so their training and experience can be reused.  I'm pretty sure that the pilot's training cost almost as much as his bird did, and (to put it in Steiner terms) it's far more cost-effective to have to replace the plane only, rather than both plane and pilot.  >:(
  In game terms, however, a nice, quick fix for the LCF-R15 would be to trade out each small-laser pair for a single medium and lose a ton of LRM ammo for more armour.  While this means that you lose the ability to alpha your energy weapons without building up heat, it gives you better reach when/if you strafe and you can still use firing-pattern engagement to manage your heat; the added armour give you 63/43/43 protection, immune to ML TACs, which is probably better for your combat endurance than a fifth ton of ammo.  (What fighter lives long enough in combat to fire THIRTY LRM-20 salvoes anyway?  ???)
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Quote from: Trace Coburn
  Given an LCF-R16 and a free hand to redesign it, I'd pull the Streak-2's for single MLs, another ton of LRM ammo, and an added ton of FA armour (coming up to 65/44/44); you still have a heat-neutral fore-and-aft alpha-strike (with a predictable heat burden to boot, something Streak racks do not give you), your armour is more or less ML-proof, and your ammo endurance is much greater.  Witness:

Class/Model/Name:  Lucifer LCF-R16bis
Mass:              65 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  195 Fusion                                                 8.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 5
      Maximum Thrust: 8
Structural Integrity: 6                                                   .00
Total Heat Sinks:    20 Double                                          10.00
Fuel:                                                                    5.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  Ferro-aluminum  (197 total armor pts)                      11.00
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                 65
   Left/Right Wings:                  44/44
   Aft:                                  44

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 ER Large Laser           Nose         8      8      8     --   12      5.00
1 ER Large Laser           Nose         8      8      8     --   12      5.00
1 LRM 20+ArtIV             Nose        16     16     16     --    6     11.00
  Ammo (LRM 20) 18         ---                                           3.00
1 Medium Laser             RW           5     --     --     --    3      1.00
1 Medium Laser             LW           5     --     --     --    3      1.00
1 Medium Pulse Laser       Aft          6     --     --     --    4      2.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 40     65.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00


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  Overhauling the LCF-R15KR is a little harder, because you actually have to decide which you want to turn it into, a dogfighter or a fast fire-support platform.  The 'fire-support' version (under 3067 technology) would forego the SRM racks, replace the diny little SPLs with ERMLs, toss in more LRM ammo, and devote the rest of the tonnage to armour, thusly:

Class/Model/Name:  Lucifer II LCF-R16KR (FS)
Mass:              65 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  260 XL Fusion                                              7.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 6
      Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 6                                                   .00
Total Heat Sinks:    20 Double                                          10.00
Fuel:                                                                    5.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  Ferro-aluminum  (215 total armor pts)                      13.00
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                 74
   Left/Right Wings:                  47/47
   Aft:                                  47

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 ER Large Laser           Nose         8      8      8     --   12      5.00
1 ER Large Laser           Nose         8      8      8     --   12      5.00
1 LRM 20+ArtIV             Nose        16     16     16     --    6     11.00
  Ammo (LRM 20) 18         ---                                           3.00
1 ER Medium Laser          RW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          LW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 Medium Pulse Laser       Aft          6     --     --     --    4      2.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 44     65.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00


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  On the 'dogfighter' model, I'd pull the LRM rack altogether - twin ERLLs are a perfectly serviceable Long-range arsenal for a mid-size dogfighter to my mind - replace the SPLs as above, move the (now-Artemis'd) SRMs to the wings for a better field of fire, and throw on more DHS, armour, and a bit more fuel for extended fights, like so:

Class/Model/Name:  Lucifer II LCF-R16KR (DF)
Mass:              65 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  260 XL Fusion                                              7.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 6
      Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 6                                                   .00
Total Heat Sinks:    23 Double                                          13.00
Fuel:                                                                    6.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  Ferro-aluminum  (215 total armor pts)                      13.00
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                 74
   Left/Right Wings:                  47/47
   Aft:                                  47

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 ER Large Laser           Nose         8      8      8     --   12      5.00
1 ER Large Laser           Nose         8      8      8     --   12      5.00
1 SRM 6+ArtIV              RW          10     --     --     --    4      4.00
1 SRM 6+ArtIV              LW          10     --     --     --    4      4.00
  Ammo (SRM 6) 30          ---                                           2.00
1 ER Medium Laser          RW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          LW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 Medium Pulse Laser       Aft          6     --     --     --    4      2.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 46     65.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00


Quote from: Trace Coburn
  Any differing opinions?  Let's hear 'em!  :P

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #018 - Lucifer
« Reply #1 on: 23 February 2011, 08:48:06 »
What do you think of this?  I've posted it before but I don't recall getting your comments on it.

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                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
                               * CUSTOM WEAPON

Class/Model/Name:  Lucifer LCF-R22
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type:       Aerospace Fighter
Rules:             Level 3, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              65 tons
Power Plant:       260 Fusion
Safe Thrust:       6
Maximum Thrust:    9
Armor Type:        *Heavy Ferro-Aluminum*
Armament:         
    1 Heavy PPC*
    1 LRM 20+ArtIV
    4 ER Medium Laser
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
==Overview:==
Lockheed/CBM's first new offering of the Lucifer line after the Blakist attack
on Donegal in 3068, the LCF-R22 Lucifer incorporates lessons learned with the
Eisensturm development program and new technology that debuted in the fires of
the Jihad.  First seen deployed by the company itself on 14 February 3072, the
new variant received a deadly trial by fire when Lockheed's leadership,
quietly waiting for an opportunity for over three years of occupation, threw a
ragtag, understrength wing of fighters into the fray.  Part of that were the
two prototype LCF-R22s, piloted by the same veteran test pilots who had been
attached to the project for years, and their performance was a superb
improvement over the older Lucifers anyone aside from the personnel attached
to the development project had expected.

==Capabilities:==

Outwardly, the LCF-R22's largest change is the redesigned cockpit and the way
the engines were slightly redesigned, based on those of the Eisensturm, for
greater maneuverability.  The wings were reinforced, as well.  The twin large
lasers under the nose were removed entirely in favor of a single new heavy
particle cannon provided by the Word as they attempted to direct the project
toward their own use, giving the -R22 penetration capabilities similar to
those of a Gauss rifle, albeit not at quite so long a range.  In place of the
other lasers, Defiance extended-range medium lasers were substituted, one on
each wingtip and a pair mounted as defensive guns, improving engagement range.
 The troublesome electronics, mildly upgraded but still gremlin-prone in the
LCF-R16, were completely replaced by avionics from the larger EST series.  The
major change, however, is not the new weapons, the slightly reinforced heavy
ferro-aluminum armor, or even the redesigned cockpit and new electronics.  The
real surprise is the 260-rated Magna fusion engine powering the newest
Lucifer, giving it an acceleration curve comparable to that of a Rapier or
Stingray.  More surprising is the fact that this is a standard model, not an
extra-light engine as on the -R16, keeping the cost and maintenance of this
model not much higher than that of the old LCF-R15 of the Succession Wars,
despite its improved performance.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Lucifer LCF-R22
Mass:              65 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  260 Fusion                                                13.50
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 6
      Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 6                                                   .00
Total Heat Sinks:    16 Double                                           6.00
Fuel:                                                                    5.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  *Heavy Ferro-Aluminum*  (188 total armor pts)               9.50
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                 63
   Left/Right Wings:                  42/42
   Aft:                                  41

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Heavy PPC*               Nose        15     15     --     --   15     10.00
1 LRM 20+ArtIV             Nose        16     16     16     --    6     11.00
  Ammo (LRM 20) 18         ---                                           3.00
1 ER Medium Laser          RW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          LW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
2 ER Medium Laser          Aft          5      5     --     --   10      2.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 41     65.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        4,394,782 C-Bills
Battle Value:      1,575
Cost per BV:       2,790.34
Weapon Value:      2,292 (Ratio = 1.46)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 36;  MRV = 29;  LRV = 3;  ERV = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 6,  Armor/Structure: 5 / 0
                   Damage PB/M/L: 4/4/2,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: FM;  Point Value: 16
                   Specials: if

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #018 - Lucifer
« Reply #2 on: 24 February 2011, 05:43:28 »
What do you think of this?  I've posted it before but I don't recall getting your comments on it.
  Heck, I don't remember ever seeing it before.  'Course, my memory ain't what it used to be, and never really was.... :-\

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  Not bad at all.  If not perfect, the heat-balance is certainly 'good enough', and the combination of low cost, high effectiveness, and correcting the Lucy's grossest flaws is very, very attractive.  I'd hate to be the pilot who (somehow) centrelined and alpha-struck a target twice in two turns, but I can't see that being too common an occurence even at 6/9, so yeah: assuming they've installed an ejection system in the 'redesigned cockpit', this is a Lucifer I might actually get into without someone first putting a gun to my head.   :D

  As a side-note: you really have fallen in love with Heavy Ferro-Aluminium Armour, haven't you?  :D  :P

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #018 - Lucifer
« Reply #3 on: 24 February 2011, 07:20:15 »
Not necessarily in love (quite) but it's one of those changes that, along with double heat sinks, can go a long way to making some significant progress, especially on fighters you're either trying to avoid sticking an advanced engine on or already have.  As far as the ejection seat, that was the basis of the redesigned cockpit along with the electronics.  My whole intention was to get a low cost depot-level refit out there for the SFE Lucifers lingering in the field to turn them into a real defensive asset.  It can centerline, though - 31 heat from the HPPC, LRMs, and either pair of lasers against 32 dissipation.

These days, with the Morgenstern, I'd probably redo the fluff as a mercenary refit of Lucifers coming onto the secondary market as the LCAF phases them out or the like.

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #018 - Lucifer
« Reply #4 on: 24 February 2011, 07:56:02 »
Not necessarily in love (quite) but it's one of those changes that, along with double heat sinks, can go a long way to making some significant progress, especially on fighters you're either trying to avoid sticking an advanced engine on or already have.  As far as the ejection seat, that was the basis of the redesigned cockpit along with the electronics.  My whole intention was to get a low cost depot-level refit out there for the SFE Lucifers lingering in the field to turn them into a real defensive asset.  It can centerline, though - 31 heat from the HPPC, LRMs, and either pair of lasers against 32 dissipation.

These days, with the Morgenstern, I'd probably redo the fluff as a mercenary refit of Lucifers coming onto the secondary market as the LCAF phases them out or the like.
  D'oh!  I had it stuck in my head that the HPPC was a 20 heat/20 damage weapon - probably from that T-bird 'capacitor' variant lowrolling proposed a few days ago.  [metalhealth]  And yes, all of that makes this new Lucifer a very attractive sort of remodelling, especially for the merc market.  O0

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #018 - Lucifer
« Reply #5 on: 24 February 2011, 08:25:19 »
Mechanically, the whole thing was a careful balancing act between the various places I was raiding for tonnage, leaving the Lucifer's classic armament package recognizable while applying some judicious upgrades, bumping the engine up, and making the whole thing credible as a budget combatant in an era of XLFE fighters.  I'm pleased it came out so well, honestly, and it still feels like a Lucifer to me, just one that finally got the loving attention the type needed.

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #018 - Lucifer
« Reply #6 on: 09 March 2011, 03:38:27 »
I like the design put forth by Moonsword. Hard-hitting and capable in an attack role with enough mobility to shift into a dogfighting role as well.

A variant I came up with as a "ammo-independent" long-range fighter makes some changes to Moon's design. The HPPC and LRM-20 are yanked, with twin ERPPCs installed in the nose instead and another four heat sinks thrown on so that the big guy can still alpha everything forward and stay frosty. Three of the remaining six tons are allocated to fuel, bringing the total up to eight tons (which rivals the Samurai for endurance capability) and the remaining three tons are dumped into armor (I do not have HMA, so I can't say what it would look like-I know I would make the nose 91 points and bump up protection on the wings as much as I can.)

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Re: Fighter of the Week Workshop #018 - Lucifer
« Reply #7 on: 13 December 2015, 18:49:04 »
Making the 16 & 20 Meet in the middle,   the Lucifer-R18


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Class/Model/Name:  Lucifer   LCF-R18
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3054
Vessel Type:       Aerospace Fighter
Rules:             Level 2, Modified design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              65 tons
Power Plant:       195 Fusion
Safe Thrust:       5
Maximum Thrust:    8
Armor Type:        Ferro-aluminum
Armament:         
    2 Cyclops XII ER Large Laser
    1 FarFire Maxi-Rack LRM 20+ArtIV
    4 Maxell Small Laser
    1 Maxell Medium Laser
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Lucifer   LCF-R18
Mass:              65 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  195 Fusion                                                 8.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 5
      Maximum Thrust: 8
Structural Integrity: 6                                                   .00
Total Heat Sinks:    16 Double                                           6.00
Fuel:                                                                    5.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  Ferro-aluminum  (286 total armor pts)                      16.00
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                 92
   Left/Right Wings:                  71/71
   Aft:                                  52

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 ER Large Laser           Nose         8      8      8     --   24     10.00
1 LRM 20+ArtIV             Nose        16     16     16     --    6     11.00
  Ammo (LRM 20) 18         ---                                           3.00
1 Small Laser              RW           3     --     --     --    1       .50
1 Small Laser              LW           3     --     --     --    1       .50
1 Small Laser              RW           3     --     --     --    1       .50
1 Small Laser              LW           3     --     --     --    1       .50
1 Medium Laser             Aft          5     --     --     --    3      1.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 37     65.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        3,952,011 C-Bills
Battle Value:      1,577
Cost per BV:       2,506.03
Weapon Value:      2,438 (Ratio = 1.55)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 39;  MRV = 20;  LRV = 8;  ERV = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 5,  Armor/Structure: 7 / 0
                   Damage PB/M/L: 4/3/3,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: FM;  Point Value: 16
                   Specials: if


She doesn't give you quite the armor of the 20 but its dang good for keeping most the firepower intact.
ERLL & LRM20/A4 from the R16 goes with SL/ML combo of the R20.
You've got long range shots, a minor PD shield & typical Aft coverage.
And you've still got enough armor to make an Awesome or Banshee jealous.

Thoughts?
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