Author Topic: push the curve challenge...(aerospace fighter) (Read 1035 times)

Cannonshop · « **on:** 14 September 2022, 13:10:53 »

Okay, guys break out your inner munchkin.

Rules: Whatever you can cram on, but you only get 10 Heat Sinks.

That is to say, 10 Single heat sinks.

that's all the heat you can sink for this. Build the nastiest build you can come up with, with an organic heat-sink capacity of 10.

idea weenie · « **Reply #1 on:** 14 September 2022, 16:03:50 »

Given the low heat of Gauss Rifles, the choice was obvious.

100 tons, 5/8 thrust, XL engine, 15 tons of F-A armor, 6.5 tons fuel, 4 Gauss Rifles, 16 shots per Gauss Rifle, with a Targeting Computer to make the GR even more accurate.

Couldn't figure out what items were the most expensive as the 0.48.0 MML Cost breakdown still brings up a BV analysis screen.

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Gauss Munchkin

Mass: 100 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 300 XL
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:
     4 Gauss Rifle
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 2022
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-F-D-D
Cost: 16,510,950 C-bills

Type: Gauss
Technology Base: Clan (Standard) 
Tonnage: 100
Battle Value: 3,728

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        300 XL                9.5
	Safe Thrust: 5
	Max Thrust: 8
Structural Integrity:         0                        
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Fuel:                         520                   6.5
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          358                    15

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                   107    
     Wings                 90/90   
     Aft                     71    

Weapons
and Ammo                Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV 
2 Gauss Rifle             NOS       24.0     1     15   15   15    0  
Gauss Rifle               RWG       12.0     1     15   15   15    0  
Gauss Rifle               LWG       12.0     1     15   15   15    0  
Gauss Rifle Ammo (64)     FSLG      8.0      -      -    -    -    -  
Targeting Computer        FSLG      10.0     -      -    -    -    -

Taron Storm · « **Reply #2 on:** 14 September 2022, 19:50:35 »

Here is the cost breakdown for you Idea...

Using MML 0.49.9

Cost Calculations For New Aero
------------------------------
Cockpit 200,000
Life Support 50,000
Sensors 200,000
Structure 500,000
Flight Systems 26,000
Engine 8,000,000
Fuel Tanks 1,300
Armor 300,000
Heat Sinks 20,000
4 Gauss Rifle 1,200,000
1 Targeting Computer 100,000
8 Gauss Rifle Ammo [Clan] 160,000
CASE 50,000
CASE 50,000
CASE 50,000
Weight Multiplier x 1.5
----------
Total Cost: 16,360,950

Can make it a little over 20mil if it is an Omni

Taron Storm · « **Reply #3 on:** 14 September 2022, 20:00:58 »

Same as Idea Weenie but with XXL engine, omni chassis, and an extra 3 tons of FA armor...
I liked the idea of the design

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Bust for the Buck Prime

Mass: 100 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 300 XXL
Armor: Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:
     58.0 tons of pod space
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-E
Cost: 81,313,688 C-bills

Type: Bust for the Buck
Technology Base: Clan (Advanced) 
Tonnage: 100
Battle Value: 3,689

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        300 XXL               6.5
	Safe Thrust: 5
	Max Thrust: 8
Structural Integrity:         0                        
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Fuel:                         520                   6.5
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          345                    18

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                   104    
     Wings                 86/86   
     Aft                     69    

Fixed Equipment
None

Weapons
and Ammo              Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV 
Gauss Rifle             RWG       12.0     1     15   15   15    0  
2 Gauss Rifle           NOS       24.0     1     15   15   15    0  
Targeting Computer      FSLG      10.0     -      -    -    -    -  
Gauss Rifle             LWG       12.0     1     15   15   15    0

Just realized wrong concept, sorry.
Will try something later

PuppyLikesLaserPointers · « **Reply #4 on:** 15 September 2022, 04:35:21 »

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Arrowhawk (Prototype 01)

Mass: 100 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 400 XL
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:
     8 Small Pulse Laser
     4 Medium Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3122
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-F
Cost: 20,445,250 C-bills

Type: Arrowhawk
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental) 
Tonnage: 100
Battle Value: 2,677

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        400 XL               26.5
	Safe Thrust: 6
	Max Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity:         0                        
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Fuel:                         400                   5.0
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Heavy Ferro)    724                  36.5

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                   191    
     Wings                191/191  
     Aft                    151    


Weapons
and Ammo                   Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV 
4 Medium Pulse Laser         NOS       8.0      4      6    0    0    0  
4 Laser Insulator            NOS       2.0      -      -    -    -    -  
4 Laser Insulator            RWG       2.0      -      -    -    -    -  
4 Small Pulse Laser          RWG       4.0      2      3    0    0    0  
Radical Heat Sink System     FSLG      4.0      -      -    -    -    -  
Active Probe                 FSLG      1.5      -      -    -    -    -  
ECM Suite                    FSLG      1.5      -      -    -    -    -  
4 Laser Insulator            LWG       2.0      -      -    -    -    -  
4 Small Pulse Laser          LWG       4.0      2      3    0    0    0

I will bring you a 100 tonner fast dogfighter/bomber. Although it can't do anything beyond the short range bracket, but it ensures that it remove the target as well as able to withstand enough punishment before it reaches to the target. Its heavy tonnage is also a factor that allows to use the anti-air missiles to engage the farther enemy instead.

It uses twelve pulse lasers, 4 medium and 8 small, and all the lasers are supported by laser insulator means it generates 20 heat points per an alpha strike. This is suppressed by a Radical Heat Sink System, allows to sustain 20 heats each two turns. Since its range is short, it just needs to alpha strike when it have an opportunity.

If mixed tech is available, spamming Micro Pulse Laser would be fun as well, although you can't mix it with the laser insulator(It have really no meaing since Micro Pulse Laser only generates 1 heat point) but it has same stats with Small Pulse Laser.

Daryk · « **Reply #5 on:** 15 September 2022, 19:34:45 »

RHS are allowed?

That said, if you're only generating 4 heat, where are the two Medium Lasers to soak up the other six?

PuppyLikesLaserPointers · « **Reply #6 on:** 15 September 2022, 20:07:34 »

Quote from: Daryk on 15 September 2022, 19:34:45

RHS are allowed?

That said, if you're only generating 4 heat, where are the two Medium Lasers to soak up the other six?

Perhaps. Technically RHS is not the heat sink(single/double/compact/etc) so I think that it is fine. It's basically a reusable coolant pod as well.

And the math is, 4 medium pulse lasers - (4-1)×4=12 heat, and 8 small pulse lasers - (2-1)×8= 8 heat.

Daryk · « **Reply #7 on:** 16 September 2022, 03:14:39 »

The second point was for the 4xGauss crowd, sorry...

idea weenie · « **Reply #8 on:** 16 September 2022, 13:34:19 »

Quote from: Daryk on 16 September 2022, 03:14:39

The second point was for the 4xGauss crowd, sorry...

I wanted more fuel and armor on mine so it could last long enough to run out of ammo

Daryk · « **Reply #9 on:** 16 September 2022, 18:44:01 »

Now THAT is a critical design criterion...

wolfgar · « **Reply #10 on:** 19 September 2022, 19:02:46 »

spun off a bit from the "Munchkin Gauss" but similarly able to gut an assault mech in one pass if everything hits

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LDS-1 Led Sled

Mass: 100 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 300 XL
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:
     1 Heavy Gauss Rifle
     2 Gauss Rifle
     1 Streak SRM 6
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-D
Cost: 16,441,950 C-bills

Type: LDS-1
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard) 
Tonnage: 100
Battle Value: 3,035

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        300 XL                9.5
	Safe Thrust: 5
	Max Thrust: 8
Structural Integrity:         0                        
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Fuel:                         520                   6.5
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Heavy Ferro)    396                    20

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                   110    
     Wings                100/100  
     Aft                     86    


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV 
Gauss Rifle                     RWG       15.0     1     15   15   15    0  
Heavy Gauss Rifle               NOS       18.0     2     25   20   10    0  
Streak SRM 6 Ammo (15)          FSLG      1.0      -      -    -    -    -  
CASE                            FSLG      0.5      -      -    -    -    -  
Heavy Gauss Rifle Ammo (12)     FSLG      3.0      -      -    -    -    -  
Gauss Rifle Ammo (32)           FSLG      4.0      -      -    -    -    -  
Gauss Rifle                     LWG       15.0     1     15   15   15    0  
Streak SRM 6                    AFT       4.5      4     12    0    0    0

Daryk · « **Reply #11 on:** 19 September 2022, 19:05:49 »

That just might take the cake right there!

wolfgar · « **Reply #12 on:** 19 September 2022, 20:56:48 »

thank you, the SRM is rear firing to cover its back, but it can carry one hell of a bomb load when coming from orbit, and once it drops down to one it can get back to orbit, (if i'm remembering the rules right)

wolfgar · « **Reply #13 on:** 22 September 2022, 20:48:52 »

heres a lighter build 2-75ton gunslingers

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FTM-1 Phantom

Mass: 75 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 300 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 97.2 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Gauss Rifle
     2 LRM 5
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3050
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-D-D
Cost: 4,217,194 C-bills

Type: FTM-1
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard) 
Tonnage: 75
Battle Value: 1,847

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        300 Fusion             19
	Safe Thrust: 6
	Max Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity:         7                        
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Fuel:                         520                   6.5
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  336                    21

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                   100    
     Wings                 85/85   
     Aft                     66    


Weapons
and Ammo                Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV 
Gauss Rifle               NOS       15.0     1     15   15   15    0  
LRM 5                     RWG       2.0      2      3    3    3    0  
LRM 5 Ammo (72)           FSLG      3.0      -      -    -    -    -  
CASE                      FSLG      0.5      -      -    -    -    -  
Gauss Rifle Ammo (24)     FSLG      3.0      -      -    -    -    -  
LRM 5                     LWG       2.0      2      3    3    3    0

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FTM-2 Phantom

Mass: 75 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 300 XL
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 97.2 kph
Armor: Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:
     2 AC/5
     1 Gauss Rifle
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3050
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Cost: 10,802,069 C-bills

Type: FTM-2
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard) 
Tonnage: 75
Battle Value: 1,955

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        300 XL                9.5
	Safe Thrust: 6
	Max Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity:         10                       
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Fuel:                         520                   6.5
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          367                  20.5

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                   110    
     Wings                 91/91   
     Aft                     75    


Weapons
and Ammo                Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV 
Gauss Rifle               NOS       15.0     1     15   15   15    0  
AC/5                      RWG       8.0      1      5    5    0    0  
CASE                      FSLG      0.5      -      -    -    -    -  
AC/5 Ammo (40)            FSLG      2.0      -      -    -    -    -  
Gauss Rifle Ammo (16)     FSLG      2.0      -      -    -    -    -  
AC/5                      LWG       8.0      1      5    5    0    0

Andras · « **Reply #14 on:** 23 September 2022, 18:58:59 »

10 small lasers and a bomb bay? What can you do with a 33t bomb bay?

Apparently my version of MML doesn't have bomb bays so 5/8 SFE, 30t armor, 10t fuel, 33t bombs, 10 small las(2 rear), 5.5mil

eta- yeah, 100t ASF.

Daryk · « **Reply #15 on:** 23 September 2022, 19:13:46 »

Is that a 100 ton ASF? It sounds like one, but I'm not entirely sure...

Red Pins · « **Reply #16 on:** 24 September 2022, 00:30:52 »

Voila!

Mind you, this is not an attack bird. This is a 35-ton, extended duration (w/drop tanks) bomb-bay equipped, ballistic rocket-powered penetrator - something for your particular fiction.

I considered using a DOS, but decided against it for fluff reasons.

*BOOM* Bird Aero

Mass: 35 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 385 XXL
Cruising Speed: 140.4 kph
Maximum Speed: 216 kph
Armor: Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-E
Cost: 22,329,250 C-bills

Type: *BOOM* Bird
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Tonnage: 35
Battle Value: 78

Equipment Mass
Engine 385 XXL 14.5
   Safe Thrust: 13
   Max Thrust: 20
Structural Integrity: 0
Heat Sinks: 0 0
Fuel: 640 8.0
Small Cockpit 2
Armor Factor (Ferro) 17 0.5

Armor
Value
Nose 6
Wings 4/4
Aft 3

Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage Heat SRV MRV LRV ERV
Cargo FSLG 10.0 - - - - -

*edit - forgot to assign the cargo bay

Hellraiser · « **Reply #17 on:** 24 September 2022, 22:48:43 »

Start with Eisensturm-R3.
Change 11-DHS to 10-SHS
Drop Twin LLs
Add 11 tons of Armor/Fuel/Gauss Ammo in any manner you desire.
Done

wolfgar · « **Reply #18 on:** 29 September 2022, 21:18:21 »

here's a 50ton interceptor based off the original "Lightning" LTG-G15 for you to consider

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Lightning II LTN-G20

Mass: 50 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 200 XL
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 97.2 kph
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:
     2 Medium Laser
     1 Gauss Rifle
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-D
Cost: 5,207,083 C-bills

Type: Lightning II
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard) 
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 1,710

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        200 XL                4.5
	Safe Thrust: 6
	Max Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity:         6                        
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Fuel:                         400                   5.0
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Heavy Ferro)    248                  12.5

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    75    
     Wings                 62/62   
     Aft                     49    


Weapons
and Ammo                Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV 
Gauss Rifle               NOS       15.0     1     15   15   15    0  
Medium Laser              RWG       1.0      3      5    0    0    0  
Targeting Computer        FSLG      5.0      -      -    -    -    -  
Gauss Rifle Ammo (24)     FSLG      3.0      -      -    -    -    -  
Medium Laser              LWG       1.0      3      5    0    0    0

Ruger · « **Reply #19 on:** 01 October 2022, 09:56:59 »

Hmm. Maybe a Seydlitz that trades the large laser for a pair of meds, 4 small lasers and a TC?

Or just go four medium lasers and a TC?

Or here’s a possible version:

Give it a 200XL engine (thrust now 8/12), 3.5 tons of clan ferro armor (should more than double the armor), and then arm it with a Clan Large Pulse Laser. Call it the Seydlitz IIC.

Ruger