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Cannonshop

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needing a hand here.
« on: 09 February 2016, 02:26:04 »
Okay, between moves and divorces, I lost my copy of HMA entirely-disc and all, including reciepts.  Since I haven't been using it for...well, years...this hasn't been enough of a problem to concern me...

Until now.

Oddly enough, I need someone to crunch me some numbers on an idea...

I want to know if shoving an XLFE in an SL-15R will give me enough mass to boost speed, and by how much.

I'd like to find out how much heat value can be changed by shifting it to use DHS, and if that's enough to convert all energy weapons on-board to ER without causing a heatpig situation.  (if it can handle all of those being converted to ER and still has extra cooling, how much mass can I shave off by doing that?)

Objective: An Aerofighter, based on an older design, that could be brought up to "Front Line Standard" (With upgrades) without sacrificing the SL-15 Slayer's fuel bunkerage or armor protection, and without dropping payload.  (increasing it is fine, but only if it follows the basic layout closely enough that it's credibly still a "Slayer")

Intended customers would be mid-to-high end Mercs in the Lyran Alliance, MTM service, and service as a transitional ersatz while Eisensturm development is spooling up.
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Re: needing a hand here.
« Reply #1 on: 09 February 2016, 02:48:16 »
Here you go, sir. All of the requirements have been met with no loss in heat efficiency. All heat is dissipated and the ER mediums do give a bit better range.

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                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
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Class/Model/Name:  Slayer SL-15RK
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3054
Vessel Type:       Aerospace Fighter
Rules:             Level 2, Modified design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              80 tons
Frame:             Wakazashi V
Power Plant:       Shinobi 400 XL Fusion
Safe Thrust:       7
Maximum Thrust:    11
Armor Type:        Standard
Armament:         
    1 Imperator Code Red LB 10-X AC
    6 ER Medium Laser
Manufacturer:   Wakazashi Enterprises
  Location:     Dover
Communications System:  Sony MSF-21
Targeting & Tracking System:  Radcom T11
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Slayer SL-15RK
Mass:              80 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  400 XL Fusion                                             26.50
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 7
      Maximum Thrust: 11
Structural Integrity: 8                                                   .00
Total Heat Sinks:    16 Double                                           6.00
Fuel:                                                                   10.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  Standard  (232 total armor pts)                            14.50
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                 84
   Left/Right Wings:                  50/50
   Aft:                                  48

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 LB 10-X AC               Nose         6      6     --     --    2     11.00
  Ammo (LB 10-X) 30        ---                                           3.00
1 ER Medium Laser          Nose         5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          RW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          LW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          RW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          LW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          Aft          5      5     --     --    5      1.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 32     80.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        14,739,387 C-Bills
Battle Value:      1,668
Cost per BV:       8,836.56
Weapon Value:      2,092 (Ratio = 1.25)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 33;  MRV = 26;  LRV = 0;  ERV = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 7,  Armor/Structure: 6 / 0
                   Damage PB/M/L: 3/3/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: FH;  Point Value: 17

And here's one with ferro-fibrous armor

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                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
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Class/Model/Name:  Slayer SL-15RK2
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3054
Vessel Type:       Aerospace Fighter
Rules:             Level 2, Modified design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              80 tons
Frame:             Wakazashi V
Power Plant:       Shinobi 400 XL Fusion
Safe Thrust:       7
Maximum Thrust:    11
Armor Type:        Ferro-aluminum
Armament:         
    1 Imperator Code Red LB 10-X AC
    6 ER Medium Laser
Manufacturer:   Wakazashi Enterprises
  Location:     Dover
Communications System:  Sony MSF-21
Targeting & Tracking System:  Radcom T11
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Slayer SL-15RK2
Mass:              80 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  400 XL Fusion                                             26.50
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 7
      Maximum Thrust: 11
Structural Integrity: 8                                                   .00
Total Heat Sinks:    16 Double                                           6.00
Fuel:                                                                   10.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  Ferro-aluminum  (260 total armor pts)                      14.50
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                 90
   Left/Right Wings:                  60/60
   Aft:                                  50

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 LB 10-X AC               Nose         6      6     --     --    2     11.00
  Ammo (LB 10-X) 30        ---                                           3.00
1 ER Medium Laser          Nose         5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          RW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          LW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          RW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          LW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          Aft          5      5     --     --    5      1.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 32     80.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        14,942,387 C-Bills
Battle Value:      1,735
Cost per BV:       8,612.33
Weapon Value:      2,202 (Ratio = 1.27)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 33;  MRV = 26;  LRV = 0;  ERV = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 7,  Armor/Structure: 7 / 0
                   Damage PB/M/L: 3/3/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: FH;  Point Value: 17


And here's one with ECM and TAG and FFA

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                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
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Class/Model/Name:  Slayer SL-15RX1
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3054
Vessel Type:       Aerospace Fighter
Rules:             Level 2, Modified design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              80 tons
Frame:             Wakazashi V
Power Plant:       Shinobi 400 XL Fusion
Safe Thrust:       7
Maximum Thrust:    11
Armor Type:        Ferro-aluminum
Armament:         
    1 Imperator Code Red LB 10-X AC
    1 Guardian ECM
    1 TAG
    2 Medium Laser
    4 ER Medium Laser
Manufacturer:   Wakazashi Enterprises
  Location:     Dover
Communications System:  Sony MSF-21
Targeting & Tracking System:  Radcom T11


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Slayer SL-15RX1
Mass:              80 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  400 XL Fusion                                             26.50
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 7
      Maximum Thrust: 11
Structural Integrity: 8                                                   .00
Total Heat Sinks:    14 Double                                           4.00
Fuel:                                                                   10.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  Ferro-aluminum  (242 total armor pts)                      13.50
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                 82
   Left/Right Wings:                  55/55
   Aft:                                  50

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 LB 10-X AC               Nose         6      6     --     --    2     11.00
  Ammo (LB 10-X) 30        ---                                           3.00
1 Guardian ECM             Nose        --     --     --     --    0      1.50
1 TAG                      Nose        --     --     --     --    0      1.00
1 Medium Laser             Nose         5     --     --     --    3      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          RW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          LW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          RW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser          LW           5      5     --     --    5      1.00
1 Medium Laser             Aft          5     --     --     --    3      1.00
1 C.A.S.E. Equipment       Body                                           .50
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 28     80.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        15,205,587 C-Bills
Battle Value:      1,744
Cost per BV:       8,718.8
Weapon Value:      2,061 (Ratio = 1.18)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 33;  MRV = 19;  LRV = 0;  ERV = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 7,  Armor/Structure: 6 / 0
                   Damage PB/M/L: 3/3/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: FH;  Point Value: 17
                   Specials: ecm, tag

And the original for comparison

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                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
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Class/Model/Name:  Slayer SL-15R
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3054
Vessel Type:       Aerospace Fighter
Rules:             Level 2, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              80 tons
Frame:             Wakazashi V
Power Plant:       Shinobi 320 Fusion
Safe Thrust:       6
Maximum Thrust:    9
Armor Type:        Standard
Armament:         
    1 Imperator Code Red LB 10-X AC
    6 Diverse Optics Type 20 Medium Laser
Manufacturer:   Wakazashi Enterprises
  Location:     Dover
Communications System:  Sony MSF-21
Targeting & Tracking System:  Radcom T11
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Slayer SL-15R
Mass:              80 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  320 Fusion                                                22.50
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 6
      Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 8                                                   .00
Total Heat Sinks:    20 Single                                          10.00
Fuel:                                                                   10.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  Standard  (232 total armor pts)                            14.50
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                 84
   Left/Right Wings:                  50/50
   Aft:                                  48

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 LB 10-X AC               Nose         6      6     --     --    2     11.00
  Ammo (LB 10-X) 30        ---                                           3.00
1 Medium Laser             Nose         5     --     --     --    3      1.00
1 Medium Laser             RW           5     --     --     --    3      1.00
1 Medium Laser             LW           5     --     --     --    3      1.00
1 Medium Laser             RW           5     --     --     --    3      1.00
1 Medium Laser             LW           5     --     --     --    3      1.00
1 Medium Laser             Aft          5     --     --     --    3      1.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 20     80.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        4,767,653 C-Bills
Battle Value:      1,353
Cost per BV:       3,523.76
Weapon Value:      1,950 (Ratio = 1.44)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 33;  MRV = 4;  LRV = 0;  ERV = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 6,  Armor/Structure: 6 / 0
                   Damage PB/M/L: 3/1/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: FH;  Point Value: 14
« Last Edit: 09 February 2016, 03:34:46 by Sharpnel »
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Re: needing a hand here.
« Reply #2 on: 09 February 2016, 02:57:06 »
A 400XL weighs 4 tons more than a 320 standard. You can make up the weight by going to double heat sinks, and swing just enough heat dissipation to counterbalance the forward-firing ERMLs. Upgrading to ferro-aluminum wouldn't hurt either. It should free up enough tonnage to squirrel an AMS into the chassis. It's gonna quadruple the cost of the ship though. I'd rather just have four standard models.

...Or you could just start with the Hammerhead, which is already 7/11 and doesn't need an XL to do it. The one extra bomb slot you get from being 80 tons costs you a whole thrust point, so it's hardly worth it.
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Cannonshop

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Re: needing a hand here.
« Reply #3 on: 09 February 2016, 04:56:09 »
Thanks Sharpnel.
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better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
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May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."-Samuel Adams

Sharpnel

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Re: needing a hand here.
« Reply #4 on: 09 February 2016, 07:23:33 »
You're welcome.
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