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AMS vs. ATMs and Streaks
« on: 09 October 2021, 23:38:31 »
So, am I missing something, or does the way that ATMs and Streaks were converted over to Alpha Strike mean that AMS doesn't defend against them?  (i.e. unlike with standard SRMs, Streak SRMs don't get a Special indicating that they exist.  So, having nothing to indicate they exist, AMS can't reduce their damage as it would in CBT.)

Shouldn't ATMs and Streaks be given a special to at least allow AMS to work against them?  As in, it'll just say ATMx/x/x and/or STREAKx/x/x so that AMS will have something to "see."  They don't even have to do anything other than that; their entry can simply say, "This denotes that this unit uses <ATM/Streak> launchers and therefore is subject to damage reduction from AMS at the relevant range brackets."

Don't get me wrong: I understand that AS had to reduce complexity in order to speed up play, and I'm fully in support of that.  However, I don't see how AMS working against LRMs and SRMs but not ATMs and Streaks furthers that goal.

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Re: AMS vs. ATMs and Streaks
« Reply #1 on: 10 October 2021, 10:55:51 »
No, you are not missing anything.  AMS also does not protect against Artemis-equipped SRMs, Streak LRMs, or SRMs/LRMs that are below their respective thresholds (EX, the SRM 6 on the Wolverine).

It does work against improved ATMs, funny enough


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Re: AMS vs. ATMs and Streaks
« Reply #2 on: 10 October 2021, 15:02:49 »
You're correct.  ATMs and Streaks don't do anything in Alpha Strike besides damage, and once a conversation is done if the only thing they do is damage then there's no reason to mention them.  There's no benefit for carrying ATMs and Streaks at all so why should they be subject to a penalty from another piece of equipment on a random opposing 'Mech?

I know the instinctive answer here is "because they have missiles on their Total Warfare record sheet!" but the response here is that it doesn't matter they have missiles on their Total Warfare record sheet.  Making AMS special function against units with ATMs and Streaks - on top of being more conversion work - is literally only a disadvantage for those units that are already getting absolutely nothing special out of it.  It wouldn't be making AMS better it'd be arbitrarily punishing a handful of units becaues the rules of a game that's not even being played say something else.
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Re: AMS vs. ATMs and Streaks
« Reply #3 on: 11 October 2021, 10:03:01 »
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Re: AMS vs. ATMs and Streaks
« Reply #4 on: 11 October 2021, 14:28:29 »
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