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How big an area do you play on?
« on: 19 July 2021, 05:22:22 »
Just interested in other people's experiences.

When I used to play BT, I wanted room - room to maneuver, room to be out of range, room for choices. This meant playing on 2x2 map tables at worst, 2x3 when we could afford the setup. While I enjoy a good brawl, you don't want to start fighting with chainsaws in a phone booth, do you? Plus the room gives a purpose to lighter units.

Now I'm playing AS effectively exclusively, and loving it! My playing area is half a ping-pont table - 5'x4.5', or 60"x54". 2 of my three games have been two IS lance per side as my friends and I work our way up the rules (eg. the third game was the first with elevations and formation abilities, the two before used urban terrain. ) So at that area, we had room to move; we were in long range almost immediately, but with to-hits of 12s and 13s, this didn't feel cramped.

The next game will be 2 Clan Stars per side, and I don't think that'll be cramped. But I would like to hear what size playing areas other people use, and how many units you've played on those areas?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #1 on: 19 July 2021, 07:43:41 »
I play games in 4'x4' or 4'x6' for most games, depending on how much space I have access too, what kind of game I'm  playing, and what kind of force size I'm looking at playing with.

It's also easy to get XPS foam in 4' increments, which is what I used to make my play area out of; 2'x4' chunks.

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #2 on: 19 July 2021, 08:23:04 »
Usually around 4x6 or 4x8
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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #3 on: 19 July 2021, 10:21:48 »
3x3 for smaller kitchen table games but definitely prefer 4x4 minimum and 4x6 when I can squeeze it in.

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #4 on: 19 July 2021, 10:25:03 »
4x6 for most games.  For big ones I'll go 8x6.
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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #5 on: 19 July 2021, 10:25:35 »
When I used to play before I moved, the store had 4x6 foot plywood sheets to lay on top of the long tables and plenty of terrain. If I were to run a game now I’d probably bring two of the battlemats

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #6 on: 19 July 2021, 10:29:15 »
My group plays on hex maps, and we've found that a standard 2x2 mapsheets setup gives a pretty decent amount of room for company vs company fights.
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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #7 on: 19 July 2021, 12:23:57 »
Praise be to alphahex. I’ve run that on 2x2, 2x3 and 3x3 maps to good effect

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #8 on: 31 July 2021, 20:52:05 »
We’ve actually adjusted the scale of the game back to the same as the Game of armoured combat. So a 1:1 scale as opposed to 2:1. We take all the movement and range distances/rules and halve them. This feels great on the tabletop for my group and puts the battlefield into a more realistic movement pace in my view.

I don’t believe it changes any game mechanics at all as written, but it does allow for a much larger playing area, while also aligning with classic BTs scale.

Give it a go for a game and see what you think.

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #9 on: 31 July 2021, 23:14:28 »
I think I will! I see the sense of how it'd affect play. It would make maneuver a lot more important.
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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #10 on: 01 August 2021, 03:31:00 »
I second the 1:1 scale.  I also prefer mapsheet play unless you have good terrain--most tables ive seen are pretty sparce

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #11 on: 01 August 2021, 03:48:16 »
A healthy amount of terrain is quite necessary. Otherwise it is a stand and shoot game.

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #12 on: 01 August 2021, 03:53:07 »
So this is the current setup I'm going to game with next:



Too empty?
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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #13 on: 01 August 2021, 08:48:33 »
Looks good. What are the objectives?
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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #14 on: 01 August 2021, 15:33:09 »
Looking quite empty to me, yeah.
Placing some of the hills in the middle of the board so that they break LOS would go a long way to make the game a more manoeuvre one.

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #15 on: 07 August 2021, 05:18:23 »
Regarding elevation, the best/easiest way imho is to stack books up under the table and lay your cloth/mat on top.  Easy to create a few hills, or a valley, or central ridge.  Some scatter rocks where any creases or wrinkles are makes for good and realistic looking areas of rough terrain.

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #16 on: 07 August 2021, 11:09:13 »
We’ve actually adjusted the scale of the game back to the same as the Game of armoured combat. So a 1:1 scale as opposed to 2:1. We take all the movement and range distances/rules and halve them. This feels great on the tabletop for my group and puts the battlefield into a more realistic movement pace in my view.

I don’t believe it changes any game mechanics at all as written, but it does allow for a much larger playing area, while also aligning with classic BTs scale.

Give it a go for a game and see what you think.

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« Reply #17 on: 07 August 2021, 11:50:52 »
I tried this with mini rules for cbt rules and was happy with the results

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #18 on: 28 September 2021, 14:19:23 »
Using tabletop simulator, I use an area of at least 100x100".  Like you said, the intended play space seems like chainsaws in a phone booth.  If I were playing in physical space, I'd halve all measurements (movement divided by two, ranges divided by two) to give more space.

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #19 on: 28 September 2021, 17:54:21 »
So for our first alpha strike game this weekend, we've got a battlemat.  That's it.  Should I bring 2 more paper mapsheets so we have more room? 

We're just learning the rules and playing a 300 point game.

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« Reply #20 on: 29 September 2021, 01:27:37 »
I'd recommend the extra space, otherwise it's back to chainsaws ... 24" medium gets pretty vicious, particularly if you're applying full damage (which we do, variable damage slows things down too much for our taste.)
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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #21 on: 29 September 2021, 12:30:24 »
At home its strictly a couple maps on a round kitchen table 4' in diameter.

At the LGS they have long picnic tables with the folding legs that then get a pair of 4'x4' boards placed across them.

We usually use a 36 hex by 25 hex felt cloth & geohex? terrain for team on team games.

If we play several 1v1 games then its 2 maps on each 4x4 table half.

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« Reply #22 on: 05 October 2021, 11:53:36 »
I'd recommend the extra space, otherwise it's back to chainsaws ... 24" medium gets pretty vicious, particularly if you're applying full damage (which we do, variable damage slows things down too much for our taste.)

So we went with 3" short, 12" medium, 21" long and 1/2 movement.  it worked pretty well on a 4x4 table.  Maybe it was 4x6?  We just used some simple 2d terrain Vedgy brought and we all had fun.  Now to find a gaming store with 3D terrain tables we can use for the next match.....

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #23 on: 05 October 2021, 15:17:52 »
Looking quite empty to me, yeah.
Placing some of the hills in the middle of the board so that they break LOS would go a long way to make the game a more manoeuvre one.

Or some more clumps of trees.

Regarding elevation, the best/easiest way imho is to stack books up under the table and lay your cloth/mat on top.  Easy to create a few hills, or a valley, or central ridge.  Some scatter rocks where any creases or wrinkles are makes for good and realistic looking areas of rough terrain.

Books under cloth to make hills??  now that's an interesting method..
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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #24 on: 05 October 2021, 16:20:18 »
True and trusted method, that of book hills. I have used it a lot.

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #25 on: 05 October 2021, 16:33:56 »
Just interested in other people's experiences.

When I used to play BT, I wanted room - room to maneuver, room to be out of range, room for choices. This meant playing on 2x2 map tables at worst, 2x3 when we could afford the setup. While I enjoy a good brawl, you don't want to start fighting with chainsaws in a phone booth, do you? Plus the room gives a purpose to lighter units.


Thanks in advance!

The largest I've played on are 12' x 6'

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #26 on: 05 October 2021, 16:56:35 »
I tend to play in a table 120 x 120 cm, so 4x4 in barbaric Imperial terms.

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #27 on: 21 October 2021, 22:44:50 »
For regiment games I usually play on 18x6....

For 1000 pt games, up to 4x6

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Re: How big an area do you play on?
« Reply #28 on: 22 October 2021, 02:03:06 »
Or some more clumps of trees.

Books under cloth to make hills??  now that's an interesting method..

Even just swapping the middle/left hill w/ the dead middle trees would be an improvement.

The other thing I would do is pull a couple of the L3/L4 pieces off the top of that big L2 & put them around as small L1's to move up to or Partial Cover for mechs or Full Cover for tanks.  Give things somewhere to sprint over to.

I might even go so far as to break up that double stack big hill & make it a pair of L1 plateaus with a small L2 up on top.

I'm not a fan of a HUGE L2+ hill like that as it tends to totally break up the board turning the fight into a melee slugfest since no one can see to shoot over it.

I'm a fan of "partial cover" and "light woods",  not L3 Hills & triple hex deep woods.


As for the books UNDER the mat, I've seen that before, and the only down side is the slopes tend to be rather flimsy since its just air under them "hammock/tentside" style. 
Light stuff will fall over, heavy stuff will pull the map down.
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