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wildkadabra

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BV Values
« on: 15 November 2021, 09:07:46 »
I am uncertain if this is the right place to ask this but I was not sure where this type of question belongs exactly.

The new Rec. Guides have brought forward many new toys to be excited about and that look like a lot of fun! Unfortunately many of these new mechs come with a crushing BV cost to match. Medium mechs that cost more than many assaults that were already considered overpriced in BV for example. This severely limits their use in BV balanced gameplay. While the BV system has never been perfect, it is arguably one of the better balancing methods for an even and fun match.

My question is, with all these new toys coming along. Has there been any discussions or considerations about revising and updating the BV system to better accomodate newer tech and certain combinations that have become rather common with the new rec guides such as supercharger and jump jets? Having many new toys is not very exciting if it is tough to field them without crippling your force build.

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Re: BV Values
« Reply #1 on: 15 November 2021, 13:11:48 »
Is there a specific case where you think BV is over/underestimating value? Otherwise...the value is the value, and if you want to use the new toys with the high BV, your opponent should be able to as well, or take more units to make up the BV gap.
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wildkadabra

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Re: BV Values
« Reply #2 on: 15 November 2021, 15:54:03 »
Out of the top of my head mechs like Stormwolf or Thresher II. Now the argument for them is not that they are bad mechs by any means, but the astronomical value for them does not often meassure for what they bring.

For the price of a Thresher II you can acford a Dire Wolf Prime and still have a little over 600 points to spare! That's huge. Again not that the Tresher II is bad by any means and drawing direct comparisons between chassis, especially meant to fulfill different roles im BT can be difficult, I am just using this example as a way to visually represent price.

A more direct compariason within a similar role could be made for the Black Lanner vs Tresher II. The Black Lanners firepower is not really too inferior to to a Tresher while having a similar movement profile. The difference in cost here comes from the reflective armor and jump jets, which when you can run 14 the utility for jumping 5 is rather limited. However this difference is nearly 1100 BV for those. For that price I can bring both the Black Lanner AND a Firemoth!

Like I mentioned before this is not exactly a new issue and similar arguments for quality vs price have always existed, the new rec guides have just made it much more pronounced.

Is there a specific case where you think BV is over/underestimating value? Otherwise...the value is the value, and if you want to use the new toys with the high BV, your opponent should be able to as well, or take more units to make up the BV gap.

Taking more units to make for the unit gap is exactly the opposite of what I am referring to. My point is that as good as these mechs may be they often don't meassure up to what spending that BV in other units that offer similar performance frees up to be spent elsewhere. Provided that the Dice Gods don't lean heavily in your favor.

My curiosity was just around whether or not there had been any considerations to refine the system further. As many mechs, especially those who combine MASC/Superchargers/Jump Jets such as the Exscutioner have historically been considered over BVed, the new rec guides just add many more of them. This is a shame because unless playing a very high BV game, 3K+ BV is the type of mech you build your entire star around. I cannot imagine that many people would build a star around a medium mech that costs that much at the cost of many other "toys". And I'm not talking about just bigger mechs, for the price of some Stormwolves you can nearly bring 2 Stormcrows! So this often limits fun mechs like these to forever being relegated to "collectors item" rather than seeing playtime.
« Last Edit: 15 November 2021, 16:13:00 by wildkadabra »

 

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