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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #30 on: 16 June 2020, 23:12:46 »
Question:

Should I create a new thread and label it G.I. Joe / C.O.B.R.A. in the non-canon?

Looking to give the Joes a Samarkand Block II and COBRA a York. The rest of their respective fleets would be a Carrack, double Tramps and a single Comitatus.

And then we can give them proper units?

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I say new thread.  Then we can focus on some non-maxed, but not worthless, units.  Well ok, I think the fang copter needs to have a light rifle and 2 RL-10s but that's it! (of course I bet there is some other units that need to be silly/weak too)
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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #31 on: 17 June 2020, 00:32:09 »
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=69859.new#new

Done.

Let's discuss this over there, if you care to follow me Joes and Vipers...

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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #32 on: 17 June 2020, 11:21:26 »
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=69859.new#new

Done.

Let's discuss this over there, if you care to follow me Joes and Vipers...

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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #33 on: 17 June 2020, 20:50:37 »
What have I done?

This is Battletech: 1982 all over again...

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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #34 on: 19 June 2020, 14:06:50 »
New and improved with the In-ter-net !!!

Oh gods...

so a while back; I had this idea...since Battletech is the future of the 1980s...what if Mechs were armed and built in the 1980s? So, like; a rifleman has 4x 35mm oerlikons and 2x RH202 20mm. A Locust has a 25mm Bushmaster and 2x3 HOT II Launchers, ect.

I basically threw up that what-f and it exploded into a thread with people posting their own ideas for 1980s-built mechs and postulating who would build which ones and how they would fare in a cold-war-turned hot.

It was pretty cool.
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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #35 on: 19 June 2020, 14:57:12 »
I cannot imagine my 80's self doing that ... 10+ year old going all nerd crazy.

never played Gierkreig (sp), but it looks to be a WWII mechs and more style game ... jump forward a bit, and you're in the 1980s.
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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #36 on: 19 June 2020, 15:28:37 »

General utility infantry drone.
Assuming that it is equipped with a Drone control system and that the ECM is in ECCM mode.


Armored Infantry Drone AID-1
Type: Armored Infantry Drone
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown

Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Chassis Type:  Biped
Weight Class: Ultra Light/PA(L)/Exoskeleton
Maximum Weight: 400 kg
Battle Value: 55
Swarm/Leg Attack/Mechanized/AP: Yes/Yes/Yes/No
</p>

Equipment                                     Slots      Mass   
Chassis:                                                80 kg    
Motive System:                                                   
     Ground MP:          1                               0 kg    
     Jump MP:            3                              75 kg    
Manipulators:                                                    
    Left Arm:            Manipulator (Basic)             0 kg
    Right Arm:           Manipulator (Basic)             0 kg
Armor:                   Standard (Basic)       0      100 kg    
    Armor Value:         3 (Trooper)                             

                                         Slots           
Weapons and Equipment         Location (Capacity)   Mass 
Power Pack                      Body       1       25 kg 
Anti Personnel Weapon Mount   Left Arm     1        5 kg 
Anti Personnel Weapon Mount   Right Arm     1        5 kg 
Cutting Torch                 Right Arm     1        5 kg 
Single-Hex ECM                  Body       1       100 kg
Mission Equipment Storage     Left Arm     1        5 kg 
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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #37 on: 19 June 2020, 17:05:33 »
You know... if you dropped those basic manipulators to Armored Gloves, you could carry a Support Weapon...  ^-^

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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #38 on: 19 June 2020, 17:15:51 »
You know... if you dropped those basic manipulators to Armored Gloves, you could carry a Support Weapon...  ^-^
Sure.

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Armored Infantry Drone AID-1
Type: Armored Infantry Drone
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown

Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Chassis Type:  Biped
Weight Class: Ultra Light/PA(L)/Exoskeleton
Maximum Weight: 400 kg
Battle Value: 47
Swarm/Leg Attack/Mechanized/AP: Yes/Yes/Yes/No
</p>

Equipment                                     Slots      Mass
Chassis:                                                80 kg
Motive System:                                               
     Ground MP:          1                               0 kg
     Jump MP:            3                              75 kg
Manipulators:                                                 
    Left Arm:            Armored Gloves                  0 kg
    Right Arm:           Armored Gloves                  0 kg
Armor:                   Standard (Basic)       0      100 kg
    Armor Value:         3 (Trooper)                         

                                         Slots           
Weapons and Equipment         Location (Capacity)   Mass 
Power Pack                      Body       1       25 kg 
Anti Personnel Weapon Mount   Left Arm     1        5 kg 
Anti Personnel Weapon Mount   Right Arm     1        5 kg 
Cutting Torch                 Right Arm     1        5 kg 
Single-Hex ECM                  Body       1       100 kg
Mission Equipment Storage     Left Arm     1        5 kg 

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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #39 on: 19 June 2020, 17:25:13 »
Excellent!  The relevant rule is on page 171 of Tech Manual (which is NOT in the "Manipulator" section, where you think it would be).

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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #40 on: 19 June 2020, 19:27:06 »
I cannot imagine my 80's self doing that ... 10+ year old going all nerd crazy.

never played Gierkreig (sp), but it looks to be a WWII mechs and more style game ... jump forward a bit, and you're in the 1980s.

Gearkrieg?



That IP has to be the most passed-around of any right now. That particular style of mecha has been used in DUST, a couple other games and a number of Deviant Art people seem obsessed with it.
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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #41 on: 19 June 2020, 20:32:31 »
I think that's as munchy as we can get with a PA(L) ... which isn't really that munchy at all! Perfect high end drone suit.
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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #42 on: 15 July 2020, 18:04:24 »

I was trying to design a Tachikoma-like drone, but quad battle armor may not use manipulators.
I have found a workaround in MML (likely not canon), but is there really any point in Tachikoma-like drones without normal manipulators?

Code: [Select]
Spider Worker Drone SWD-01
Type: Spider Worker Drone
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown

Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Chassis Type:  Quad
Weight Class: Light
Maximum Weight: 750 kg
Battle Value: 91
Swarm/Leg Attack/Mechanized/AP: No/No/No/No
</p>

Equipment                                     Slots      Mass
Chassis:                                               100 kg
Motive System:                                               
     Ground MP:          5                              90 kg
     Jump MP:            0                               0 kg
Manipulators:                                                 
    Left Arm:            None                            0 kg
    Right Arm:           None                            0 kg
Armor:                   Standard (Basic)       0      250 kg
    Armor Value:         6 (Trooper)                         

                                         Slots           
Weapons and Equipment         Location (Capacity)   Mass 
Mission Equipment Storage       Body       1       290 kg
BA Manipulator Adaptation       Body       2       10 kg 
BA Manipulator Adaptation       Body       2       10 kg 
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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #43 on: 15 July 2020, 18:08:41 »
check TM for BA construction (I'd do it, but sneaked off from cooking dinner to check boards ... gotta head back)

5 MP! holy heck that thing is moving scary fast if I'm foot it comes after me.
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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #44 on: 16 July 2020, 08:56:54 »
I was trying to design a Tachikoma-like drone, but quad battle armor may not use manipulators.
I have found a workaround in MML (likely not canon), but is there really any point in Tachikoma-like drones without normal manipulators?

There is a - technically illegal - logical, fitting, and most of all already-extant piece of equipment you can use here; (Vehicular) Manipulators, from TechManual.
They're small, weak robotic arms controlled from inside a vehicle, and available only to Combat- and Support-Vehicles; so RAW illegal for 'Mechs and BA, but no physical or technological reason they couldn't be used.

I use them myself for suits like quads (hard to turn a handle or punch in a keycode when you're in a Sloth) or most Assault suits (no hands! only guns!).

TechManual
pg 245
Manipulator
Introduced: Circa 2000
The modern manipulator is effectively a fully (or semi-) articulated
armature and gripping claw a bit more elaborate and multifunctional
than a basic robotic assembler arm, but significantly smaller and less
sophisticated than a ’Mech’s hand actuator. Mounted on the exterior
of a vehicle—’Mechs don’t use these devices, as any intended for
manipulating objects can easily be built with hand and arm actuators
for the job—most basic manipulators typically have a lifting and carrying
capacity of about 100 kilograms, and a reach of maybe five meters
away from the vehicle’s hull. The typical use of these devices covers
the handling of dangerous chemicals and waste without exposing the
operator to harm, and so they are most commonly seen on specialized
vehicles for the disposal of bombs and hazardous materials.
pg 293
Manipulator - Cost: 7,500   Avail: C-D-C
pg 344
Manipulator - Range: PHYS,  Weight(tons): 0.01,  Space CV/SV: 1/1,  Tech Rating: C
 

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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #45 on: 16 July 2020, 12:12:22 »
There is a - technically illegal - logical, fitting, and most of all already-extant piece of equipment you can use here; (Vehicular) Manipulators, from TechManual.
They're small, weak robotic arms controlled from inside a vehicle, and available only to Combat- and Support-Vehicles; so RAW illegal for 'Mechs and BA, but no physical or technological reason they couldn't be used.

I use them myself for suits like quads (hard to turn a handle or punch in a keycode when you're in a Sloth) or most Assault suits (no hands! only guns!).
Good idea, it even has the same weight as the adapter, while also preventing the issues with the adapter (allowing manipulators with special rules to be mounted) making any interaction much simpler.

Now any ideas on how to get that officially declared as possible for BA?
Otherwise I would be stuck with using the adapters as placeholders.
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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #46 on: 16 July 2020, 14:00:40 »
I think TPTB may have erred there... a 10 kg manipulator that can lift 100kg??  ???

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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #47 on: 16 July 2020, 14:09:42 »
I think TPTB may have erred there... a 10 kg manipulator that can lift 100kg??  ???
Hardly impossible. In fact I could probably build one myself.

Now one that can do it with a five meter reach(!), that is impressive!

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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #48 on: 16 July 2020, 14:36:45 »
I think TPTB may have erred there... a 10 kg manipulator that can lift 100kg??  ???

some decent alloy/polymer/compound x Star League, no worries!
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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #49 on: 16 July 2020, 14:50:13 »
*snip*
Now one that can do it with a five meter reach(!), that is impressive!
That's the real problem for me, really... a simple hook of the right materials will lift 100kg no problem (straight down, of course).

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Re: Battle Android Troopers; or drone infantry for BT
« Reply #50 on: 17 July 2020, 11:11:47 »
Hardly impossible. In fact I could probably build one myself.

Now one that can do it with a five meter reach(!), that is impressive!

It looks like the lifting and reaching capability is two separate parts:

  . . .most basic manipulators typically have a lifting and carrying
capacity of about 100 kilograms, and a reach of maybe five meters
away from the vehicle’s hull. 

So the manipulators can work on stuff up to 5 meters away from the hull, but to lift and carry the items have to be closer.

 

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