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Comanche BA (Stealth VTOL BA)
« on: 29 January 2022, 18:49:24 »

Just wanted to create an decent VTOL BA.

The combination of an Advanced SRM-2 and 5 VTOL MP gives it decent engagement range.
The endurance is decent with 8 turns worth of ammo in the standard version. 

Code: [Select]
Comanche BA STD
Type: Comanche BA
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown

Tech Base: Clan (Advanced)
Chassis Type:  Biped
Weight Class: Light
Maximum Weight: 750 kg
Battle Value: 362
Swarm/Leg Attack/Mechanized/AP: No/No/No/No
</p>

Equipment                                     Slots      Mass
Chassis:                                               150 kg
Motive System:                                               
     Ground MP:          1                               0 kg
     VTOL MP:            5                             200 kg
Manipulators:                                                 
    Left Arm:            None                            0 kg
    Right Arm:           None                            0 kg
Armor:                   Stealth (Basic)        3      150 kg
    Armor Value:         6 (Trooper)                         

                                         Slots           
Weapons and Equipment         Location (Capacity)   Mass 
Advanced SRM 2                  Body       2       90 kg 
Advanced SRM 2 Ammo (4)         Body       1       80 kg 
Advanced SRM 2 Ammo (4)         Body       1       80 kg 


Variant 2 is more capable in handling infantry.
It trades one stack of ammo for a light machine gun and an AP mount.
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Comanche BA 2
Type: Comanche BA
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown

Tech Base: Clan (Advanced)
Chassis Type:  Biped
Weight Class: Light
Maximum Weight: 750 kg
Battle Value: 397
Swarm/Leg Attack/Mechanized/AP: No/No/No/No
</p>

Equipment                                     Slots      Mass
Chassis:                                               150 kg
Motive System:                                               
     Ground MP:          1                               0 kg
     VTOL MP:            5                             200 kg
Manipulators:                                                 
    Left Arm:            None                            0 kg
    Right Arm:           None                            0 kg
Armor:                   Stealth (Basic)        3      150 kg
    Armor Value:         6 (Trooper)                         

                                         Slots           
Weapons and Equipment         Location (Capacity)   Mass 
Advanced SRM 2                  Body       2       90 kg 
Advanced SRM 2 Ammo (4)         Body       1       80 kg 
Machine Gun                     Body       1       75 kg 
Anti Personnel Weapon Mount   Right Arm     1        5 kg 


Variant 3 improves the armor in quantity and type, at the cost of reduced ammo.
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Comanche BA 3
Type: Comanche BA
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown

Tech Base: Clan (Advanced)
Chassis Type:  Biped
Weight Class: Light
Maximum Weight: 750 kg
Battle Value: 390
Swarm/Leg Attack/Mechanized/AP: No/No/No/No
</p>

Equipment                                     Slots      Mass
Chassis:                                               150 kg
Motive System:                                               
     Ground MP:          1                               0 kg
     VTOL MP:            5                             200 kg
Manipulators:                                                 
    Left Arm:            None                            0 kg
    Right Arm:           None                            0 kg
Armor:                   Stealth (Standard)     4      210 kg
    Armor Value:         7 (Trooper)                         

                                         Slots           
Weapons and Equipment         Location (Capacity)   Mass 
Advanced SRM 2                  Body       2       90 kg 
Advanced SRM 2 Ammo (4)         Body       1       80 kg 
Advanced SRM 2 Ammo (1)         Body       1       20 kg 
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Re: Comanche BA (Stealth VTOL BA)
« Reply #1 on: 04 February 2022, 05:48:53 »
Somewhere your weight numbers are off. I tried to copy this in MML and it comes up as way way overweight. Base version should only be able to carry 6 (1x4 & 1x2 stacks) and have 10kg leftover at 6 armor. The LMG version is over weight by 30kg. Variant three is actually illegal (or at least, in MML 0.49.2 which is what I use) as you can't fit 7 points of armor on a Light BA, it maxes at 6. If you drop it to 6 points though w/ Standard Stealth, then its exactly 750kg.

Its probably that glitch that MML has where if you swap between VTOL and Jump it occasionally gives you VTOL move, but using the mass for max jump only. Dunno how you got the 7 points of armor though.

Alternatively, if you make it a mixed tech design with an IS base/frame, then you've got more than enough mass freed up to do exactly what you planned.
« Last Edit: 04 February 2022, 05:52:46 by AngryButler with a KNIFE! »

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Re: Comanche BA (Stealth VTOL BA)
« Reply #2 on: 04 February 2022, 07:28:23 »
I'm really liking this. I hope you're able to slip this into a future project / technical readout book.
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Re: Comanche BA (Stealth VTOL BA)
« Reply #3 on: 04 February 2022, 09:06:32 »
Somewhere your weight numbers are off. I tried to copy this in MML and it comes up as way way overweight. Base version should only be able to carry 6 (1x4 & 1x2 stacks) and have 10kg leftover at 6 armor. The LMG version is over weight by 30kg. Variant three is actually illegal (or at least, in MML 0.49.2 which is what I use) as you can't fit 7 points of armor on a Light BA, it maxes at 6. If you drop it to 6 points though w/ Standard Stealth, then its exactly 750kg.

Its probably that glitch that MML has where if you swap between VTOL and Jump it occasionally gives you VTOL move, but using the mass for max jump only. Dunno how you got the 7 points of armor though.

Alternatively, if you make it a mixed tech design with an IS base/frame, then you've got more than enough mass freed up to do exactly what you planned.
I think it's just the readout that's odd. It seems to have added in the point for the operator as "armor". So it's actually 5, 5, and 6 armor respectively.

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Re: Comanche BA (Stealth VTOL BA)
« Reply #4 on: 04 February 2022, 12:23:00 »
I think it's just the readout that's odd. It seems to have added in the point for the operator as "armor". So it's actually 5, 5, and 6 armor respectively.
That is correct.


Now if I output the TRO output from the first tab (instead of using the clipboard export), we get this:

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Comanche BA STD
Type: Comanche BA Manufacturer: Unknown      Primary Factory: Unknown
Tech Base: Clan (Advanced) Chassis Type: Biped Weight Class: Light Maximum Weight: 750 kg Battle Value: 362 Swarm/Leg Attack/Mechanized/AP: No/No/No/No
Equipment

Slots
Mass
Chassis:


150 kg
Motive System:



    Ground MP:
1

0 kg
    VTOL MP:
5

200 kg
Manipulators:



    Left Arm:
None

0 kg
    Right Arm:
None

0 kg
Armor:
Stealth (Basic)
3
150 kg
    Armor Value:
5 + 1 (Trooper)


Weapons and Equipment
Location
Slots (Capacity)
Mass
Advanced SRM 2
Body
2
90 kg
Advanced SRM 2 Ammo (4)
Body
1
80 kg
Advanced SRM 2 Ammo (4)
Body
1
80 kg
Armor Value: 5 + 1 (Trooper)



Alternatively, if you make it a mixed tech design with an IS base/frame, then you've got more than enough mass freed up to do exactly what you planned.
That is an interesting idea. With an IS frame (and 7 salvos of missiles) it is possible to get 6 points of Clan Basic Stealth armor along with 6 VTOL MP.
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Re: Comanche BA (Stealth VTOL BA)
« Reply #5 on: 04 February 2022, 13:42:46 »
That is an interesting idea. With an IS frame (and 7 salvos of missiles) it is possible to get 6 points of Clan Basic Stealth armor along with 6 VTOL MP.
In general, the value of an IS frame over a clan frame seems high enough that clans preferring the clan frame is fairly inexplicable.

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Re: Comanche BA (Stealth VTOL BA)
« Reply #6 on: 04 February 2022, 15:13:33 »
In general, the value of an IS frame over a clan frame seems high enough that clans preferring the clan frame is fairly inexplicable.

Well that’s because the fluff portions of BA Harjel are applied in a TW+ sized game.
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