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Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« on: 11 June 2022, 13:27:30 »
So I finally picked up Issue #5, and I have to say Craig gave us some interesting options here.  Most are simply more expensive, less capable Auto Rifles.  But three do enough damage to be subject to the 0.6 damage cap if used as primary weapons (1 Capellan, 1 Taurian, and 1 Canopian), and four of them have twice the range of the Auto Rifle (2 Lyran, 1 Lothian (!?), and 1 clan (of course)).  I also found it interesting how many use rifle ammunition vice pistol (some even use 5/5 (Support Machine Gun) ammo or bigger!).  Comments welcome, and if you want the fluff details, go buy Shrapnel #5!  It's only $6, and there are free e-pub converters that will turn it into a pdf for you.  I'll probably do pistols next weekend.

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TW AToW TW
Name Aff TL Shots AP BD Burst Dmg Range Range Wt Cost
Wolf-Barron A7 FWL C 30 3 3 8 0.25 5 0 2.9 450
Blackfield Scorpion Mk 65 FWL C 20 3 3 5 0.20 10 0 1.4 420
Nambu Type S-124 DC C 30 3 3 7 0.20 20 1 3.9 450
Supekuta DC C 30 3 4 10 0.33 20 1 2.5 200
Sturm Hornet Mk III LC C 30 4 3 6 0.27 35 1 3.4 750
DSK Largo SGA LC C 50 4 4 10 0.44 45 2 3.7 600
DSK Largo SGB LC C 50 4 4 10 0.44 45 2 3.5 700
RFW Bedivere FS D 20 3 3 7 0.20 15 1 1.2 560
AWA Starling Mk 7 FS D 32 3 4 8 0.33 25 1 2.9 300
AWA Starling Mk 7-LB FS D 32 3 4 8 0.33 40 1 3.1 400
AWA Starling Mk 7-SF FS D 32 3 4 8 0.33 25 1 3.4 600
Hòuwèi CC D 30 4 4 6 0.36 25 1 3.5 250
Jīnsè Yănjìngshé CC C 30 5 5 5 0.56 35 1 3.1 675
Jīnsè Yănjìngshé (AP) CC C 30 7 4 5 0.63 35 1 3.1 675
J-15 Hagel WoB D 15 3 4 10 0.33 20 1 2.7 400
J-17 Hagel RotS D 15 4 5 8 0.55 25 1 2.3 700
Hunkle V TC C 30 5 4 10 0.55 25 1 3.7 600
Boudicca-4 MoC C 30 3 4 6 0.27 20 1 2.5 300
Boudicca-5 MoC C 30 5 4 6 0.45 30 1 2.3 500
Boudicca-7 MoC C 40 5 5 8 0.69 35 1 2.1 700
Tiberius MH D 50 5 4 12 0.55 30 1 3 600
Spartacus LL D 50 4 4 8 0.44 45 2 2.8 750
WC-2 SL C 30 3 3 5 0.20 25 1 2.3 700
WC-6 Clan C 30 4 3 5 0.27 45 2 2.2 800
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Re: Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« Reply #1 on: 14 June 2022, 21:30:59 »
I was going to say that the Magistracy made out pretty well, but then they had to go ruin with the fluff, so they made out okay. Quite a wide range there. Not sure what to think of them, yet.

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Re: Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« Reply #2 on: 15 June 2022, 03:19:31 »
The most amazing one to me is the Spartacus.  Not only did the Lothians re-chamber the Tiberius to standard Auto Rifle ammo, they doubled the range!  :o

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Re: Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« Reply #3 on: 15 June 2022, 08:18:07 »
Go funny cut offs I guess. It only gains a total of 15 meters  in ATOW.

More later I think.

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Re: Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« Reply #4 on: 15 June 2022, 18:29:51 »
15 meters is half a hex, and when you go from 30 to 45, that rounds up to TWO hexes!  ^-^

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Re: Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« Reply #5 on: 16 June 2022, 15:49:42 »
So do SMGs add anything compared to an autorifle other than fluff?

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Re: Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« Reply #6 on: 16 June 2022, 17:46:11 »
Three of them have twice the range for a slight decrease in damage.  A fourth almost halves the damage to double the range.  A number of them have AToW targeting bonuses from laser sights, or sound suppressors, but at the TW level those are irrelevant.

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Re: Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« Reply #7 on: 17 June 2022, 19:15:06 »
I may have to dig out the rules at some point. Wonder if to-hit bonuses contribute to damage calculations.

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Re: Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« Reply #8 on: 17 June 2022, 21:40:00 »
Paul confirmed the AToW to-hit bonuses of the various weapons don't apply at TW scale.

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Re: Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« Reply #9 on: 18 June 2022, 08:04:53 »
Kind of figured. Lots from ATOW doesn't apply to the TW scale.

Slight reduction in weight as well for carrying. So not too bad.

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Re: Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« Reply #10 on: 21 June 2022, 18:03:05 »
And we see it here again. ATOW SMG short ranges are 3-6 for the main book, while these range from 5 to 45.

And the 45 short range matches or beats almost every LONG range bracket for the SMG's in ATOW. Combine that with the to-hit modifiers many have, that makes them incredibly accurate in ATOW play.

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Re: Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« Reply #11 on: 21 June 2022, 18:37:35 »
Small Arms are definitely getting a boost all around.  I'm only worried when they start to encroach on Support Weapon territory (which a couple of the Laser Rifles do).

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Re: Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« Reply #12 on: 21 June 2022, 22:19:07 »
Could you show your work on the Hunkel? I keep getting .55 and I'm not sure why.

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Re: Shrapnel Issue #5 SMGs for TW
« Reply #13 on: 22 June 2022, 03:19:16 »
It was a typo in the table... I had at 5/5 instead of its actual 5/4.  0.55 is correct, and thanks for the catch!  :thumbsup: