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Natasha Kerensky

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The Federated Commonwealth Union forced the Lyran military’s old “wall-of-steel” doctrine to adapt to and adopt some of the more modern, mobile, and flexible tactics of the Federated Suns military.  One outgrowth of this sea-change was the development of experimental “assault cavalry” units that attempted to maintain the Lyran preference for assault mechs while boosting their speed to the levels required of Suns cavalry units.  The Zeus X series developed by Defiance Industries of Kwangjong-ni are the most well-known of these “assault cavalry” designs.  But Defiance Industries of Hesperus was unimpressed by the compromises that Kwangjong-ni made in the survivability, weapons accuracy, and firepower of the Zeus platform and pursued a parallel “Athena” program to increase Zeus mobility while modernizing the design and providing it with surprising new capabilities in close combat.

Unlike every other Zeus or Zeus X, the Athena is built around a weight-saving endo-steel chassis.  The same 320-rated Light Fusion Engine that powers the ZEU-9T and other -9 series Zeuses also powers the Athena.  But the Athena’s musculature is completely reworked with Triple-Strength Myomer from the BRZ-C3 and-D4 Berserker production lines on Hesperus, temporarily granting the Athena heavy cavalry speeds and vicious kneecapping attacks in melee combat.

The Athena’s weapons loadout is also upgraded, sporting a longer-ranged and more powerful Gauss Cannon and ER PPC pairing in place of the Zeus’s traditional Autocannon and Large Laser, as well as five MML three-packs in place of the Zeus’s usual 15-rack LRM launcher.  The MMLs provide the same reach as the LRM launcher, a vicious weakness-seeking salvo in close combat like that of the old ZEU-6A variant, and, in combination with the Gauss Cannon and two standard Medium Lasers, precise thermal management for TSM activation and maintenance.

Defensively, the latest production version of the Athena shaves off a half-ton of its maximally thick armor in favor of CASE II protection for its MML ammo.

Ultimately, despite the Athena’s all-around sounder design, Defiance Industries corporate saw more profit in the exotic and costly technologies of the Zeus X series.  Lobbying and advertising followed, with relatively few resources allocated to selling the Athena, and Zeus X variants outnumber Athenas in the Lyran military to this day.

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                 BattleMech Technical Readout

Name/Model:           ZEU-A2S ATHENA (ZEUS)
Tonnage:              80
Configuration:        Biped BattleMech
Technology Base:      Inner Sphere
Era/Year:             Jihad/Dark Age/ilClan (3075)
Rules:                Advanced
Chassis:              Chariot III Light Endo-Steel
Power Plant:          Defiance 320 Light
Walking Speed:        43 kph (54 kph)
Maximum Speed:        65 kph (86 kph)
Jump Jets:            None
    Jump Capacity:    None
Armor:                Valiant Lamellor w/ CASE II
Armament:             
    1 Gauss Cannon
    1 ER PPC
    5 MML-3s
    2 Medium Lasers
Manufacturer:         Defiance Industries
    Primary Factory:  Hesperus II
Communications:       TharHes Calliope ZE-5A2
Targeting & Tracking: TharHes Ares X9-B

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Equipment                                                             Mass                     
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Internal Structure:                         Endo-Steel                 4.00             
Engine:                                     320 Light                 17.00           
    Walking MP:                                 4 (5)                             
    Running MP:                                 6 (8)                             
    Jumping MP:                                 0                                         
Heat Sinks:                                  11 (22)                   1.00           
Gyro:                                       Standard                   4.00               
Cockpit:                                    Standard                   3.00                     
Armor Factor:                                  240                    15.00             
    Type:                              Standard w/ CASE II                                           

                                    Internal         Armor     
                                    Structure        Value     
    Head:                               3              9       
    Center Torso:                      25             40
    Center Torso (rear):                               9
    R/L Torso:                         17             26
    R/L Torso (rear):                                  7
    R/L Arm:                           13             26
    R/L Leg:                           17             32

Arm Actuators:  RS, RUA, LS, LUA

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Weapons and Ammo                                       Location          Critical     Tonnage   
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MML-3                                                     RA                2          1.50
MML-3                                                     RA                2          1.50
MML-3                                                     RA                2          1.50
MML-3                                                     RA                2          1.50
MML-3                                                     RA                2          1.50
Ammo (MML) 40/33                                          RT                1          1.00
Ammo (MML) 40/33                                          RT                1          1.00
CASE II                                                   RT                1          0.50
Gauss Cannon                                              LA                7         15.00
Ammo (Gauss) 16                                           LT                2          2.00
ER PPC                                                    LT                3          7.00
Medium Laser                                              CT                1          1.00
Medium Laser                                             RT(R)              1          1.00
Triple-Strength Myomer                                    RA                2          0.00
Triple-Strength Myomer                                    RL                2          0.00
Triple-Strength Myomer                                    LL                2          0.00
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The Athena’s design was not finalized until the proliferation of Multi-Missile Launchers in the Jihad, and under the duress of that conflagration, Defiance Industries could not outfit all its Athena chassis.  Recognizing their common foe in the Word of Blake, under the auspices of old Federated Commonwealth technical exchanges, unfinished Athenas were shipped to the Federated Suns military.  With help from NAIS weapons designers fleeing New Avalon, General Motors used its Warlord facility on El Dorado to outfit these Athenas with Heavy PPCs, 15-class Thunderbolt launchers, LB 10-X Autocannons, and slightly thicker Ferro-Fibrous Armor.  Although lacking the boosted speed, close combat capabilities, and longest ranges of the Athena, the Phoebus brutalizes opponents with two potentially decapitating attacks followed by ten LB-X cluster munitions, all under the same range band out to over a half-kilometer.  With 11 freezers, the Phoebus can alpha strike while flanking without negative heat effects.  Modern Phoebus models forgo their Medium Lasers in favor of CASE II to protect their Thunderbolt and LB-X ammunition.  Pressed into service against Word of Blake and even some Manei Domini, the Athena and Phoebus would become rare but feared opponents during the Jihad on opposite ends of the defunct Federated Commonwealth.

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Name/Model:           ZEU-A2D PHOEBUS (ZEUS)
Tonnage:              80
Configuration:        Biped BattleMech
Technology Base:      Inner Sphere
Era/Year:             Jihad/Dark Age/ilClan (3075)
Rules:                Advanced
Chassis:              Chariot III Light Endo-Steel
Power Plant:          Defiance 320 Light
Walking Speed:        43 kph
Maximum Speed:        65 kph
Jump Jets:            None
    Jump Capacity:    None
Armor:                Glasgow Limited Primo Ferro-Fibrous w/ CASE
Armament:             
    1 Heavy PPC
    1 LB 10-X Autocannon
    1 Thunderbolt-15 Launcher
Manufacturer:         General Motors
    Primary Factory:  El Dorado
Communications:       TharHes Calliope ZE-5A2
Targeting & Tracking: TharHes Ares X9-B

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Equipment                                                             Mass                     
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Internal Structure:                         Endo-Steel                 4.00             
Engine:                                     320 Light                 17.00           
    Walking MP:                                 4                                 
    Running MP:                                 6                       
    Jumping MP:                                 0                                         
Heat Sinks:                                  11 (22)                   1.00           
Gyro:                                       Standard                   4.00               
Cockpit:                                    Standard                   3.00                     
Armor Factor:                                  247                    14.00           
    Type:                            Ferro-Fibrous w/ CASE                                       

                                    Internal         Armor     
                                    Structure        Value     
    Head:                               3              9       
    Center Torso:                      25             40
    Center Torso (rear):                              10
    R/L Torso:                         17             26
    R/L Torso (rear):                                  8
    R/L Arm:                           13             26
    R/L Leg:                           17             34

Arm Actuators:  RS, RUA, LS, LUA

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Weapons and Ammo                                       Location          Critical     Tonnage   
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Thunderbolt-15                                            RA                3         11.00
Ammo (Tbolt) 12                                           RT                3          3.00
CASE                                                      RT                1          0.50
LB 10-X AC                                                LA                6         11.00
Ammo (LB-X) 10                                            LT                1          1.00
CASE                                                      RT                1          0.50
Heavy PPC                                                 LT                4         10.00
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Either the Wolf Empire or Clan Jade Falcon obtained plans for and/or samples of the Athena as isorla from the Seventeenth Battle of Hesperus II.  The ilClan would eventually inherit these models, rework them with Clantech, and put them into production using StarCorps’ damaged Doloire facility on Terra.  The resulting Lykaios would become the most dangerous Zeus design to date.

The Lykaios reverts to a standard Zeus chassis, but incorporates the same 320-rated Clantech extralight engine used by the Doloire for greater weight savings, as well as the same TSM musculature as the Athena.  Over 17 tons of Ferro-Lamellor Armor provide the Lykaios with protection at least equivalent to that of a 100-ton assault mech.  The Athena’s ER PPC and Gauss Cannon are upgraded to lighter-weight Clan-grade models, while five ATM three-packs replace the Athena’s MMLs.  This weapons loadout gives the Lykaios the same dual decapitating attack as the Phoebus and the same precise thermal management as the Athena but with greater reach and even more mid- and close-range firepower from standard ATM and HE munitions.  Twin Pulse Medium Lasers and CASE II for the ATM ammunition round out the terrifying capabilities of the Lykaios.

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Name/Model:           LYKAIOS (ZEUS C)
Tonnage:              80
Configuration:        Biped BattleMech
Technology Base:      Clan (Mixed)
Era/Year:             ilClan (3153)
Rules:                Advanced
Chassis:              Chariot Type III
Power Plant:          Light Force 320XL
Walking Speed:        43 kph (54 kph)
Maximum Speed:        65 kph (86 kph)
Jump Jets:            None
    Jump Capacity:    None
Armor:                Compound LZ-7 Ferro-Lamellor w/ CASE II
Armament:             
    1 Gauss Cannon
    1 ER PPC
    5 ATM-3s
    2 Pulse Medium Lasers
Manufacturer:         StarCorps Industries
    Primary Factory:  Terra
Communications:       TharHes Calliope ZE-5A2
Targeting & Tracking: TharHes Ares X9-B

Arm Actuators:  RS, RUA, , LS, LUA, LLA

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Equipment                                                             Mass                     
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Internal Structure:                          Standard                  8.00         
Engine:                                   320 Extralight              11.50       
    Walking MP:                                 4 (5)                             
    Running MP:                                 6 (8)                             
    Jumping MP:                                 0                                         
Heat Sinks:                                  11 (22)                   1.00           
Gyro:                                       Standard                   4.00               
Cockpit:                                    Standard                   3.00                     
Armor Factor:                               245 (294)                 17.50           
    Type:                           Ferro-Lamellor w/ CASE II                                           

                                    Internal         Armor     
                                    Structure        Value     
    Head:                               3              9       
    Center Torso:                      25             40
    Center Torso (rear):                              10
    R/L Torso:                         17             26
    R/L Torso (rear):                                  8
    R/L Arm:                           13             26
    R/L Leg:                           17             33

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Weapons and Ammo                                       Location          Critical     Tonnage   
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ATM-3                                                     RA                2          1.50
ATM-3                                                     RA                2          1.50
ATM-3                                                     RA                2          1.50
ATM-3                                                     RA                2          1.50
ATM-3                                                     RA                2          1.50
Ammo (ATM) 60                                             RT                3          3.00
CASE II                                                   RT                1          0.50
Gauss Cannon                                              LA                6         12.00
Ammo (Gauss) 16                                           LT                2          2.00
ER PPC                                                    LT                2          6.00
Pulse Medium Laser                                        CT                1          2.00
Pulse Medium Laser                                       RT(R)              1          2.00
Triple-Strength Myomer                                    LA                2          0.00
Triple-Strength Myomer                                    RL                2          0.00
Triple-Strength Myomer                                    LL                2          0.00
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« Last Edit: 14 December 2022, 10:18:45 by Natasha Kerensky »
"Ah, yes.  The belle dame sans merci.  The sweet young thing who will blast your nuts off.  The kitten with a whip.  That mystique?"
"Slavish adherence to formal ritual is a sign that one has nothing better to think about."
"Variety is the spice of battle."
"I've fought in... what... a hundred battles, a thousand battles?  It could be a million as far as I know.  I've fought for anybody who offered a decent contract and a couple who didn't.  And the universe is not much different after all that.  I could go on fighting for another hundred years and it would still look the same."
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Re: ZEU-A* ATHENA (ZEUS) & VARIANTS
« Reply #1 on: 08 December 2022, 23:41:05 »
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Probably not...

I like this as a very effective wysiwyg upgrade. CASE II seems a bit on the exotic side for this time frame, but makes sense in context for a prototype / very limited run.
Thunderbolts and Falconers and Templars, oh my!

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Re: ZEU-A* ATHENA (ZEUS) & VARIANTS
« Reply #2 on: 09 December 2022, 02:50:48 »
Probably not...

Thanks for the catch.  The Athena and Phoebus are totally Spheroid.  Fixed above.  The Lykaios is Clantech with TSM.

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I like this as a very effective wysiwyg upgrade.

Thx, JE.

I’ve always had a soft spot for the Zeus.  (Ran -6Ts and -6As back in the day.)

Hated what they did with the fragile Zeus X series.  XXL, composite structure, and reactive armor?  C’mon...  The Athena is my response — what I think should have been the basis of the Zeus X series.

The Phoebus is an homage to all the 18-hex, HPPC and LB 10-X designs favored by folks like LastChanceCav in years past here.  But the Thunderbolt-15 adds a twist on that theme.

I was also a little disappointed with the ZEU-11S from the Rec Guides.  The Lykaios is my answer — a nearly unbounded, somewhat monstrous, full Clantech version of the Athena.

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CASE II seems a bit on the exotic side for this time frame, but makes sense in context for a prototype / very limited run.

I was probably unclear in the fluff.  I tried to indicate that these are the “modern” IlClan-era models of the Athena and Phoebus that trade out a little armor or a medium laser to get CASE II.  There are earlier, slightly different variants of both without CASE II that I didn’t bother to stat out here.

The Lykaios is pure ilClan era and has CASE II from the get-go.
« Last Edit: 09 December 2022, 03:16:39 by Natasha Kerensky »
"Ah, yes.  The belle dame sans merci.  The sweet young thing who will blast your nuts off.  The kitten with a whip.  That mystique?"
"Slavish adherence to formal ritual is a sign that one has nothing better to think about."
"Variety is the spice of battle."
"I've fought in... what... a hundred battles, a thousand battles?  It could be a million as far as I know.  I've fought for anybody who offered a decent contract and a couple who didn't.  And the universe is not much different after all that.  I could go on fighting for another hundred years and it would still look the same."
"I'm in mourning for my life."
"Those who break faith with the Unity shall go down into darkness."

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Re: ATHENA (ZEUS -A2S), PHOEBUS (ZEUS -A2D), & LYKAIOS (ZEUS C)
« Reply #3 on: 09 December 2022, 10:18:08 »
Shouldn't the mech's right arm have a lower arm actuator?

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Re: ATHENA (ZEUS -A2S), PHOEBUS (ZEUS -A2D), & LYKAIOS (ZEUS C)
« Reply #4 on: 09 December 2022, 11:05:05 »
Shouldn't the mech's right arm have a lower arm actuator?

Doesn’t fit.  The Athena and Lykaios need ten free crit slots in the RA for their MML and ATM launchers.  And the Phoebus is crit constrained overall — it needs to remove all the lower arm and hand actuators just to fit everything in.  (Same goes for the Athena, on top of the MMLs.)

The original Zeus had both lower arm actuators, so in this respect, these designs do not/cannot follow WSIWYG.
"Ah, yes.  The belle dame sans merci.  The sweet young thing who will blast your nuts off.  The kitten with a whip.  That mystique?"
"Slavish adherence to formal ritual is a sign that one has nothing better to think about."
"Variety is the spice of battle."
"I've fought in... what... a hundred battles, a thousand battles?  It could be a million as far as I know.  I've fought for anybody who offered a decent contract and a couple who didn't.  And the universe is not much different after all that.  I could go on fighting for another hundred years and it would still look the same."
"I'm in mourning for my life."
"Those who break faith with the Unity shall go down into darkness."

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Re: ATHENA (ZEUS -A2S), PHOEBUS (ZEUS -A2D), & LYKAIOS (ZEUS C)
« Reply #5 on: 09 December 2022, 12:51:13 »
Penance

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Athena

Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Mixed
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: X/X-X-X-X
Production Year: 3070
Dry Cost: 17,972,400 C-Bills
Total Cost: 18,110,400 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,846

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel - !!! !Addendum: Clan "Light" Endo-Steel - 14 Crits is not enough, it's 7 now. !!! - Clan CASE to the Party, Getting caught is Mission Fail, Do Over.
Power Plant: Unknown 320 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  (IS) Gauss Rifle
    1  (IS) ER PPC
    2  (IS) Medium Lasers
    3  (IS) MML-5s
    1  (IS) Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   122 points                4.00
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Engine:             XL Engine                    320                      11.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         (IS) Double Heat Sink        13(26)                    3.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 240                 15.00
    CASE Locations: 1 RT                                                   0.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     25           39       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10       
                                           L/R Torso     17           25       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  9         
                                             L/R Arm     13           25       
                                             L/R Leg     17           32       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(IS) Medium Laser                            CT        3         1         1.00
(R) (IS) Medium Laser                        RT        3         1         1.00
(IS) ER PPC                                  LT        15        3         7.00
(IS) Machine Gun                             LT        0         1         0.50
3 (IS) MML-5s                                RA        9         9         9.00
(IS) Gauss Rifle                             LA        1         7        15.00
@MML-5 (LRM) (24)                            RT        -         1         1.00
@MML-5 (SRM) (20)                            RT        -         1         1.00
@MML-5 (SRM Tear) (20)                       RT        -         1         1.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              RT        -         1         0.50
@Gauss Rifle (16)                            LA        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 6

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 18
4          5       5       4       0      4     0   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1

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Re: ATHENA (ZEUS -A2S), PHOEBUS (ZEUS -A2D), & LYKAIOS (ZEUS C)
« Reply #6 on: 10 December 2022, 17:36:02 »
Nice work Natasha!  :thumbsup:

CASE/CASE II is one of those techs that is nice to have, but really no more.

The Phoebus is particularly inspired!  8)

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Re: ATHENA (ZEUS -A2S), PHOEBUS (ZEUS -A2D), & LYKAIOS (ZEUS C)
« Reply #7 on: 10 December 2022, 21:34:25 »
Athena

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Athena

Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Mixed
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: X/X-X-X-X
Production Year: 3070
Dry Cost: 17,972,400 C-Bills
Total Cost: 18,110,400 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,846

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 320 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  (IS) Gauss Rifle
    1  (IS) ER PPC
    2  (IS) Medium Lasers
    3  (IS) MML-5s
    1  (IS) Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   122 points                4.00
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Engine:             XL Engine                    320                      11.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         (IS) Double Heat Sink        13(26)                    3.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 240                 15.00
    CASE Locations: 1 RT                                                   0.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     25           40       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  9         
                                           L/R Torso     17           25       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  9         
                                             L/R Arm     13           25       
                                             L/R Leg     17           32       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(IS) Medium Laser                            CT        3         1         1.00
(R) (IS) Medium Laser                        RT        3         1         1.00
(IS) ER PPC                                  LT        15        3         7.00
(IS) Machine Gun                             LT        0         1         0.50
3 (IS) MML-5s                                RA        9         9         9.00
(IS) Gauss Rifle                             LA        1         7        15.00
@MML-5 (LRM) (24)                            RT        -         1         1.00
@MML-5 (SRM) (20)                            RT        -         1         1.00
@MML-5 (SRM Tear) (20)                       RT        -         1         1.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              RT        -         1         0.50
@Gauss Rifle (16)                            LA        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 6

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 18
4          5       5       4       0      4     0   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1


Athena ATO-O ATO-O

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Athena ATO-O ATO-O

Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Mixed
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: X/X-X-X-X
Production Year: 3070
Dry Cost: 20,292,000 C-Bills
Total Cost: 20,292,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 967

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 320 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    40.5 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   122 points                4.00
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Engine:             XL Engine                    320                      11.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         (IS) Double Heat Sink        12(24)                    2.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 240                 15.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     25           40       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  9         
                                           L/R Torso     17           25       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  9         
                                             L/R Arm     13           25       
                                             L/R Leg     17           32       



================================================================================
Loadout Name: Primo                                          Cost: 22,603,500
Tech Rating/Era Availability: X/X-X-X-X                       BV2: 1,872

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         (IS) Double Heat Sink        13(26)                    1.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT
    CASE Locations: 1 RT                                                   0.50
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(IS) Machine Gun                             RT        0         1         0.50
(IS) Medium Laser                            RT        3         1         1.00
(IS) ER PPC                                  LT        15        3         7.00
(IS) Medium Laser                            LT        3         1         1.00
3 (IS) MML-5s                                RA        9         9         9.00
(IS) Gauss Rifle                             LA        1         7        15.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              RT        -         1         0.50
@MML-5 (LRM) (24)                            RT        -         1         1.00
@MML-5 (SRM) (20)                            RT        -         1         1.00
@MML-5 (SRM Tear) (20)                       RT        -         1         1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16)                            LA        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 6

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 19
4          5       5       4       0      4     0   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Alfa                                           Cost: 20,292,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: X/X-X-X-X                       BV2: 967

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
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Re: ATHENA (ZEUS -A2S), PHOEBUS (ZEUS -A2D), & LYKAIOS (ZEUS C)
« Reply #8 on: 12 December 2022, 03:45:33 »
I like these upgrading/repurpussing the Zeus with new upgrades
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Re: ATHENA (ZEUS -A2S), PHOEBUS (ZEUS -A2D), & LYKAIOS (ZEUS C)
« Reply #9 on: 13 December 2022, 21:16:33 »
Nice work Natasha!  :thumbsup:

Thx, D.

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CASE/CASE II is one of those techs that is nice to have, but really no more.

Depends.

8 LRM shots in the right torso of an old Zeus?  Nice to have.

33 to 60 ATM or MML shots in the right torso of these designs, with some engine crits to boot?  Must have, for me.

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The Phoebus is particularly inspired!  8)

Yeah, it’s a neat twist on the proven HPPC/LB 10-X combo.  Thx again.
"Ah, yes.  The belle dame sans merci.  The sweet young thing who will blast your nuts off.  The kitten with a whip.  That mystique?"
"Slavish adherence to formal ritual is a sign that one has nothing better to think about."
"Variety is the spice of battle."
"I've fought in... what... a hundred battles, a thousand battles?  It could be a million as far as I know.  I've fought for anybody who offered a decent contract and a couple who didn't.  And the universe is not much different after all that.  I could go on fighting for another hundred years and it would still look the same."
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Re: ATHENA (ZEUS -A2S), PHOEBUS (ZEUS -A2D), & LYKAIOS (ZEUS C)
« Reply #10 on: 13 December 2022, 21:17:44 »
I like these upgrading/repurpussing the Zeus with new upgrades

Thx, DC.  A couple good corners in the Zeus design space that have not shown up in the canon.
"Ah, yes.  The belle dame sans merci.  The sweet young thing who will blast your nuts off.  The kitten with a whip.  That mystique?"
"Slavish adherence to formal ritual is a sign that one has nothing better to think about."
"Variety is the spice of battle."
"I've fought in... what... a hundred battles, a thousand battles?  It could be a million as far as I know.  I've fought for anybody who offered a decent contract and a couple who didn't.  And the universe is not much different after all that.  I could go on fighting for another hundred years and it would still look the same."
"I'm in mourning for my life."
"Those who break faith with the Unity shall go down into darkness."

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Re: ATHENA (ZEUS -A2S), PHOEBUS (ZEUS -A2D), & LYKAIOS (ZEUS C)
« Reply #11 on: 13 December 2022, 22:52:57 »
Depends.

8 LRM shots in the right torso of an old Zeus?  Nice to have.

33 to 60 ATM or MML shots in the right torso of these designs, with some engine crits to boot?  Must have, for me.

+1 100% agree
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Re: ATHENA (ZEUS -A2S), PHOEBUS (ZEUS -A2D), & LYKAIOS (ZEUS C)
« Reply #12 on: 14 December 2022, 06:07:02 »
So as I remembered you mentioned doing these by hand (without SSW, MML, etc), I tried creating and validating these to provide some pertinent feedback. I really wanted to look at the arm actuator/crit situation as well.

First thought: mixed tech designs can be confusing if the tech on specific items is not called out, though it's mostly obvious once built.

On the LYKAIOS the left arm is fine but the right arm can't have a lower arm with that many small ATM launchers. While this is an elegant and interesting way to make the TSM useful, it does harm the wysiwyg goal somewhat. In addition, it would be nice to have a weapon with odd heat (3, 5, etc) to help with using the TSM.

The PHOEBUS is overweight as written. 15 tons of armor is beyond maximum. 13.5 tons of FF results in 241 points, 14 results in the max of 247 with 3 wasted. The design is 1 ton overweight with 14 tons of armor, probably because you recorded the CASE II at half weight (IS CASE II is 1 ton each). The simple solution is to drop to 13 tons of armor, which is 15 points under max. Because this is still much higher than a traditional Zeus, I suggest 13 tons of Light FF to free up space for lower arms. Still more than early variants, but it can be considered rather light for the limited range of the weapons. The three weapons are all really heavy. Some things I'd like to see, but require bigger changes: more AC ammo, moving the ammo & CASE II to the arms, more armor, maybe jump jets. Going XL seems the only way to do this, otherwise some combination of smaller weapons and less armor is needed.

All this fiddling results in something like this:
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Zeus ZEU-A2E

Mass: 80 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel Biped
Power Plant: 320 XL
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Jump Jets: None
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Light Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     2 ER Medium Laser
     1 Thunderbolt 15
     1 LB 10-X AC
     1 Heavy PPC
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3067
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-F-E
Cost: 19,370,100 C-bills

Type: Zeus
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Tonnage: 80
Battle Value: 1,986

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure            Endo Steel              4
Engine                        320 XL               11.5
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Double Heat Sink              12 [24]                 2
Gyro                                                  4
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Light Ferro)    245                  14.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            25        38   
     Center Torso (rear)               10   
     R/L Torso               17        26   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  8     
     R/L Arm                 13        26   
     R/L Leg                 17        34   


Right Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm
Left Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm

Weapons
and Ammo                    Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
Thunderbolt 15                 RA        3        7       11.0 
Thunderbolt 15 Ammo (12)       RA        3        -       3.0   
CASE II                        RA        1        -       1.0   
LB 10-X AC                     LA        6        2       11.0 
LB 10-X Cluster Ammo (10)      LA        1        -       1.0   
CASE II                        LA        1        -       1.0   
LB 10-X AC Ammo (10)           LA        1        -       1.0   
ER Medium Laser              RT(R)       1        5       1.0   
Heavy PPC                      LT        4        15      10.0 
ER Medium Laser                CT        1        5       1.0   

Features the following design quirks: Barrel Fists (RA), Easy to Maintain
Thunderbolts and Falconers and Templars, oh my!

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Re: ATHENA (ZEUS -A2S), PHOEBUS (ZEUS -A2D), & LYKAIOS (ZEUS C)
« Reply #13 on: 14 December 2022, 10:24:13 »
So as I remembered you mentioned doing these by hand (without SSW, MML, etc), I tried creating and validating these to provide some pertinent feedback.

Thx for checking, Joe.

On the Lykaios, the TSM was in the wrong arm.  Moved to the left arm above.

On the Phoebus, the (Clantech) CASE II should have just been plain (Spheroid) CASE.  The armor total was also off.  Fixed above.
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