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Re: Bloodnamed freebirths?
« Reply #30 on: 29 May 2022, 17:13:36 »
you'd be wrong, being a star colonel does not automaticly win you a blood name.


I thought if you win the Trial of Position to become a Star Colonel you granted the right to carry a bloodname, or maybe I missed something.

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Re: Bloodnamed freebirths?
« Reply #31 on: 29 May 2022, 18:33:23 »
Nothing about promotions means automatic bloodnames; you have to wait for a name to open and then participate in the trials to win it.  If all the current holders are still alive, you have to wait for one of them to cark it (or have a Trial of Propagation) to open up slots.


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Re: Bloodnamed freebirths?
« Reply #33 on: 30 May 2022, 09:24:55 »
Any warrior of any rank can be nominated by a member of their Bloodname House Leader for a Trial of Bloodright. Or join a grand melee to try and gain access to that final slot that way.

It just so happens that warriors seen as worthy of that tend to be more skilled and thus gain rank. The two things are achieved the same way, warriors gain rank in combat, they also gain a Bloodname in combat.

So, it's a correlation, not causation.

In the early books like the Clan Wolf and Jade Falcon sourcebooks, which had very detailed unit rosters, we often saw the warriors of Star Commander rank or higher had bloodnames. Generally speaking, there were exceptions.

Gaining a Bloodname also means their career has further longevity. Without one, the average Clan warrior starts to see a slide down to secondline then solahma status beginning around age 35. With a bloodname, their career is seen as having legs, and they can stay up higher longer, that also means there's much greater opportunity to achieve higher rank and position and authority.

There are plenty of exceptions. We've seen situations where warriors deemed unlikely or unsuitable for higher rank have won a bloodname (suddenly attracting attention and notice and clout and authority, even without higher rank they are now a member of the Clan Council and thus in a better position to advance themselves). There have been situations where truly deserving warriors never earned a bloodname, the Jade Falcon Joanna being the case study on that front. She just always had the misfortune of losing multiple Trials of Bloodright (if I remember correctly) but otherwise was an excellent warrior, gained rank, gained a line in the Remembrance for defeating Natasha Kerensky in combat.

It's probably also just really understated how useful being a member of the Clan Council is. That gives you connections. That allows warriors to gain sponsors, form alliances, gain allies, gain one or more mentor figures.

Same thing with earning a Bloodname. Now it's easier to mingle with the fellow Bloodnamed members of your own Bloodname House. In turn, the opportunity is there to gain a lot of the same things. The Bloodname House is the closest thing the average Clan warrior has to family, aside from sibkin and warriors they've served with for a long time.

So if Warrior James suddenly wins a Trial of Bloodright and earns a bloodname, the potential is there to have support from others. To be supported in efforts for higher rank. Allies and mentors willing to give James lots of tips and advance on how to better position himself for the future.

Finally it has to be said that the Clans put Bloodnamed warriors on a pedestal. I wouldn't be surprised if they gain more of whatever they want in general. The availability of training (simulator time, field exercise time) limited? The Bloodnamed warrior gets first choice, if they want it. The unblooded have to wait. There's just a level of preferential treatment there.

It's like in the Olympics, an athlete who has won a gold metal before, is treated differently than a warrior who is trying to earn one. There's higher expectations but also a degree of respect that is showed.
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Re: Bloodnamed freebirths?
« Reply #34 on: 31 May 2022, 09:45:59 »
It IS possible for a freeborn who has a matralinial connection to a bloodname to compete... it's just rare in the extreme.  The only two cases we've seen are Phelan Kell/Wolf/Ward/Kell and Diana Pryde.

In the 3050s, after that it happens more.

It's explained in one of the Shrapnels at least for the Inner Sphere. The Clans have a specific trial. A Clain will propose a candidate. The other Clans will send forces against them if they want to (one per Clan depending on what the candidate is vying for, usually mechs, but I'm sure there's the odd aerospace and rare fighter candidate). If the candidate wins, their name family name becomes a new Bloodhouse. If they lose, their line will never be allowed to take the Trial again.

Not sure if it is dependent on the maternal line or not though.

Not sure this has ever been done before- after all Joshua & Jaime Wolf were not going to have to go this route.

After the Wars of Reaving, the specific Clan Council sets the odds though afaik nothing is specific except the Trial is 'difficult.'

It should also be noted the Warden Wolves recognized the early practices with Bloodnames and allow a Kerensky(Maternal- Ranna?)/Kell (Paternal- Phelan) to Trial for her paternal donar's Bloodname in the late 3140s after Arc Royal fell.
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Re: Bloodnamed freebirths?
« Reply #35 on: 31 May 2022, 20:20:56 »
Not sure this has ever been done before- after all Joshua & Jaime Wolf were not going to have to go this route.

After the Wars of Reaving, the specific Clan Council sets the odds though afaik nothing is specific except the Trial is 'difficult.'

It should also be noted the Warden Wolves recognized the early practices with Bloodnames and allow a Kerensky(Maternal- Ranna?)/Kell (Paternal- Phelan) to Trial for her paternal donar's Bloodname in the late 3140s after Arc Royal fell.

I'm not saying the Trial existed pre-Jihad/Dark Ages. I think it begins with the Edict of Severence in 3095 as a way to get the Homeworlds BloodHouses into the Clans and then morphed into giving freebirths a shot.

But rereading it, you're right. I badly misinterpreted that passage. I was thinking of the Clan Council as in the Clans on the council, not the council as a whole. Rereading it, I have no idea how I drew that conclusion.

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Re: Bloodnamed freebirths?
« Reply #36 on: 31 May 2022, 22:34:29 »
I would also point out per FMWC/U a freebirth Star Colonel was able in those 6 years difference able to earn a Bloodname.
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Re: Bloodnamed freebirths?
« Reply #37 on: 31 May 2022, 23:33:46 »
The role and use of Bloodnames has also evolved significantly for the post-Reaving Clan Goliath Scorpion: be it in the doors opened for Castilian and Umayyad MechWarrriors following the Scorpion conquest of Nueva Castile, or the same done for Hansa freeborns in the wake of the Hanseatic Crusade. Indeed, as of the IlClan Era, a Hansa-born MechWarrior is the new zarKhan of the Scorpion Empire.
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« Reply #38 on: 01 June 2022, 11:23:08 »
I would also point out per FMWC/U a freebirth Star Colonel was able in those 6 years difference able to earn a Bloodname.

Diana Pryde? Or is there another?


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« Reply #39 on: 01 June 2022, 11:44:04 »
FMWC, precludes Diana who was not a Star Colonel at that time either.  One of the Warden Wolf Omega Galaxy Star Colonels, the FMWC entry talks about how he has defeated all challenges for his rank and is so approved of by the troops in the cluster that no challenges for the rank have come from inside the cluster in years.  I want to say he ended up as Star Colonel Serret Radick in FMU- gaining a Bloodname was flagged, and it was confirmed it was not a fact checking prob (or if it was, they went with it . . . ).
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Re: Bloodnamed freebirths?
« Reply #40 on: 02 June 2022, 00:26:45 »
FMWC, precludes Diana who was not a Star Colonel at that time either.  One of the Warden Wolf Omega Galaxy Star Colonels, the FMWC entry talks about how he has defeated all challenges for his rank and is so approved of by the troops in the cluster that no challenges for the rank have come from inside the cluster in years.  I want to say he ended up as Star Colonel Serret Radick in FMU- gaining a Bloodname was flagged, and it was confirmed it was not a fact checking prob (or if it was, they went with it . . . ).

Interesting! I had not heard of that before. Thanks!


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Re: Bloodnamed freebirths?
« Reply #41 on: 02 June 2022, 04:22:43 »
FMWC, precludes Diana who was not a Star Colonel at that time either.  One of the Warden Wolf Omega Galaxy Star Colonels, the FMWC entry talks about how he has defeated all challenges for his rank and is so approved of by the troops in the cluster that no challenges for the rank have come from inside the cluster in years.  I want to say he ended up as Star Colonel Serret Radick in FMU- gaining a Bloodname was flagged, and it was confirmed it was not a fact checking prob (or if it was, they went with it . . . ).

I missed this one as well. Thanks for calling it out.

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Re: Bloodnamed freebirths?
« Reply #42 on: 08 June 2022, 03:48:22 »
Small Sphere too, lol

In the Scorpion Empire, and even before that when they were titled as Clan Goliath Scorpion, they now have Eridani Light Horse Genes and 1 or 2 Bloodnames, after the absorption

Reason I bring it up, in context with your comments, and being descended from the 800 (and the "other half" the ELH makes up) of the original Star League, a "Small Sphere"

Will be interesting to see how this matter and concept evolves in the ilClan Era. Will ELH have strikes at ilClan worlds? If the loose, can units be claimed as islora, bondsmen, honor to eventually compete in Blood name / house Trials, given their background? Will Alaric issue targeted Trials of Absorptions, as more gene stock is needed ?
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Re: Bloodnamed freebirths?
« Reply #43 on: 17 June 2022, 18:26:42 »
I thought if you win the Trial of Position to become a Star Colonel you granted the right to carry a bloodname, or maybe I missed something.

I believe that's backwards: if you don't have a Bloodname, there's a significant glass ceiling on advancement to the rank of Star Colonel.
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