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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #420 on: 03 December 2022, 09:51:59 »
LOL Fire Mandrill.


Sorry for the pivot but I actually do have a question. As an RPG game type character I'm working on a Bloodnamed Sainze pilot who is taken bondsman by another Clan, regained warrior status and is serving the new Clan. He's not as prickly or as uncooperative as the Mandrills are generally. He's more cooperative, accepted.

The interesting twist is this guy does not commit Seppuku, which if you look it up is a big deal. Sainze warriors taken who commit Seppuku may still see their genetic legacy put to use. Sainze warriors also know they will never be accepted back.

I'm pondering a couple things.

1. Would he be treated by his new Clan any differently that another Bloodnamed bondsman-turned warrior in his new Clan?
2. I'm looking for creative plot ideas as to why he would chose to this path, knowing it meant he would be shunned by Kindraa Sainze for doing so, and that despite having a Bloodname, his genetic material would never be used. Like an unbloodnamed warrior, his line would end with him. So what are some good motivations for why he would do this?

We're talking pre-Wars of Reaving here, if that distinction matters.
1. This, I think, largely depends on which clan adopts him. In any case, there may be some wariness at first, based on the Mandrills' belligerent reputation. But if he serves faithfully and demonstrates his willingness to work with his new clan that should do much to smooth things over.

2. Perhaps he formed a close personal relationship with the ilChi from Clan Blood Spirit and was gradually won over to their notion of cooperation and unity. I'm thinking warden leanings would also make sense; having him feel marginalized amongst his Crusader leaning trothkin might be adequate motivation to sacrifice personal glory in pursuit of a higher calling (serving the Clans and their mission, rather than just Kindraa Sainze and the Fire Mandrills).
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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #421 on: 04 December 2022, 21:07:28 »
1. If he acted with honour and treated his victor with respect that could go a long way.

2. There are those that disagree with their Khans decisions.  He may find a home among with a Warden Clan.  Depending on who captured him (CHH or CGB) he may take the risk and earn a new bloodname with his new clan.

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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #422 on: 04 December 2022, 22:04:57 »
Hmm, a Sainze always struck me as a Clan Kurita type. Perhaps he alone is entrusted with a scared duty or mission that must be fulfilled. I've speculated that Raymond Sainze was always loyal to the Draconis Combine in spite of his capture by the SLDF and while serving Kerensky had a super-secret mission to keep an eye on him. This may not have been spelled out but rather an evolution of circumstances. Think of it a samurai or his descendant generations later returning to the Coordinator with their honor intact. What form that would take either as an in-person report similar to the House Kurita SB where a dead soldier debriefs than dies having done his duty. With such a grandiose act as a mission perhaps seppuku would not be an option.

Alternatively, the warrior's genetic legacy maybe so valued that either his Kindraa or the Clan who captured him may not be willing to so easily foresake his bloodright. In this case a war could erupt over said warrior which could even involve other Kindraa or the Fire Mandrill Clan as a whole.

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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #423 on: 06 December 2022, 00:31:49 »
A lot of good answers, but I still want to add mine.  ;)

I think his treatment would vary depending on the Clan. The Blood Spirits, Diamond Sharks, Cloud Cobras, and maybe the Ice Hellions would probably treat him best right off the bat. The rest of the Clans would definitely keep an eye on him, because Crazy Flame Monkey reputation is a stigma that doesn't wash off easy. The only Clans that I think would treat him as an actual pariah are the Hell's Horses and Coyotes. There's just not much love lost there, though if he endured the special attention he'd get as a bondsman, I'm sure he'd be fine in the end.

As for motivation, never underestimate the power of good old personal hubris. He's a Bloodnamed warrior, he's been taken by another Clan, the best and only way he gets special exemption from his home Kindraa is if he proves how badass he is. Claw his way up the ranks. Build his codex through victory after victory. Take risks that his new Clansmates are hesitant to take. Build alliances with others, bringing them along with him as he rises. Eventually, the Sainzes will take note. How can they not? Maybe it takes a generation longer than normal for them to do so, but eventually our dear Bloodnamed bondsman's genetics will be used to further improve the Kindraa. It would be wasteful not to. Bottom line: for his immortality to be ensured in future decanted warriors (Fire Mandrill or not), he's got to be the most adaptable, ambitious, and clever Sainze warrior we've ever seen.
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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #424 on: 06 December 2022, 06:39:49 »
Good answers, and I'm happy to keep hearing more if anyone has anything.

If it helps, he would be a bondsman then new warrior in Clan Ghost Bear, in the 3040s. But as a character being portrayed, it's now in the 3050s and he's been a warrior in his new Clan for a while. He's a Star Captain and Chief Engineer aboard a warship, effectively the third in command. He's proven his worth and value many times. He's cultivated a lot of engineering expertise his Clan appreciates. He speaks some Japanese and so he has also been useful as a translator in interactions with the Combine and former Combine citizens now living in the Ghost Bear OZ. Some of the Combine's rituals also make more sense to him than they do to some others, so he's been useful as an advisor/mediator/translator in some situations. He's probably at the apex of his career. The Clan is happy to keep him where he is, and others with names like Jorgensson and Tseng are being promoted over and above him for the obvious reasons.

This is still a work in progress. The vision I have had in my head, is he's comfortable in his new Clan, but he still carries some baggage, knowing his genetic legacy will not be used and that he's practically exiled from his Bloodname House in every meaningful way. He's reaping the benefits of keeping his career going longer, and being a member of the Ghost Bear Clan Council, but that's about the only Bloodname "perks" he is receiving.

It's put him in a weird, unique place as a Clan warrior. He's gotten kind of philosophical about it. Meaning of life without genetic offspring. How to live and thrive without the support offered by a Bloodname House. It has given him a unique perspective on some things. So, he's regarded as somewhat odd. Warriors he serves with want to compare him to a Nova Cat mystic or Cloud Cobra cloister member but he's neither of those things.

I'm still working on WHY he chose not to commit Seppuku all those years ago. Like that was his first instinct, he was prepared to go through with it, but someone, perhaps his bondholder, tries and tries to convince him not to, and eventually he decides not to go through with it. I'm still trying to figure out what it was that got through to him. I want it to be something very good, and surprising and not what people might expect.

You all have given me some good thoughts on that front.
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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #425 on: 08 December 2022, 18:12:02 »
Mandrills were noted as feuding with the jags do we have any details on major battles or planets of contention?

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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #426 on: 08 December 2022, 22:42:57 »
Nothing specific that I can immediately recall, but there is some fluff about how the Mandrills would occasionally raid Huntress to test the Jags. If I'm remembering correctly, of course. I'll have to go through a book or two later, because now you've got me actually curious.
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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #427 on: 09 December 2022, 06:25:37 »
FM: Crusader Clans page 42. Says the Mandrills various Kindraa began challenging the Smoke Jaguars on Atreus after the rout of their forces by the Inner Sphere. Then as of Warriors of Kerensky it says the Mandrills recently expanded their Atreus holdings.

We also see the Mattila-Carrols take Pahn City on Huntress after the Jaguars are gone. Of course at that time all the other Clans were gobbling up pieces of Huntress.

So I think in terms of same-planet neighbors, it sounds like they shared territory on Atreus.

Warriors of Kerensky says the Jaguars earned enemy status because of their constant raiding. That makes it sound like the Jaguars could have been showing up at any Mandrill enclave on any world and declaring Trials, and the Mandrills were reciprocating. In addition to Atreus.

The Mandrills never gained a lot of territory beyond the enclaves they held early in their history. When they did venture out to engage in Trials of Possession it was often for other things, resources, genetic legacies. They were so small and had such a limited touman (as a whole and per Kindraa) that expanding their territory a great deal was problematic.

The other pieces of the puzzle is that I don't think we know of all the territory held by the Jaguars before they were gone. So some of the other worlds where the Mandrills have a presence, might have also had a Jaguar presence at some point and those would have been focal points as well.

But I feel pretty confident saying they probably feuded at Atreus a lot.

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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #428 on: 09 December 2022, 13:28:49 »
FM: Crusader Clans page 42. Says the Mandrills various Kindraa began challenging the Smoke Jaguars on Atreus after the rout of their forces by the Inner Sphere. Then as of Warriors of Kerensky it says the Mandrills recently expanded their Atreus holdings.

We also see the Mattila-Carrols take Pahn City on Huntress after the Jaguars are gone. Of course at that time all the other Clans were gobbling up pieces of Huntress.

So I think in terms of same-planet neighbors, it sounds like they shared territory on Atreus.

Warriors of Kerensky says the Jaguars earned enemy status because of their constant raiding. That makes it sound like the Jaguars could have been showing up at any Mandrill enclave on any world and declaring Trials, and the Mandrills were reciprocating. In addition to Atreus.

The Mandrills never gained a lot of territory beyond the enclaves they held early in their history. When they did venture out to engage in Trials of Possession it was often for other things, resources, genetic legacies. They were so small and had such a limited touman (as a whole and per Kindraa) that expanding their territory a great deal was problematic.

The other pieces of the puzzle is that I don't think we know of all the territory held by the Jaguars before they were gone. So some of the other worlds where the Mandrills have a presence, might have also had a Jaguar presence at some point and those would have been focal points as well.

But I feel pretty confident saying they probably feuded at Atreus a lot.

That makes alot of sense and I can see both clans  being keen to fight another

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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #429 on: 09 December 2022, 13:32:48 »
But I feel pretty confident saying they probably feuded at Atreus a lot.

Two of the most aggressively combative Clans feuding where their territories touch? I DON'T BELIEVE IT!  ;D
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« Reply #430 on: 19 January 2023, 13:00:17 »
Two of the most aggressively combative Clans feuding where their territories touch? I DON'T BELIEVE IT!  ;D

Lol right?! Regarding Atreus what if any big prizes where there to fight for on that world?

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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #431 on: 19 January 2023, 13:03:15 »
Lol right?! Regarding Atreus what if any big prizes where there to fight for on that world?

Well, it has two factories: one that produces the Jagatai and Kirghiz, and one that produces the Predator. I know the Mandrills controlled the Predator facility and I think they took control of the aerospace factory after the fall of the Jaguars.
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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #432 on: 19 January 2023, 20:34:21 »
So the Spartan C is pretty good: overheats like crazy on an Alpha where everything connects but solid machine. Should go well with any Gargoyles, Executioners, and other similar mechs.

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« Reply #433 on: 19 January 2023, 20:39:14 »
So the Spartan C is pretty good: overheats like crazy on an Alpha where everything connects but solid machine. Should go well with any Gargoyles, Executioners, and other similar mechs.

Agreed! I am working one up for my kindraa mick kreese force

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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #434 on: 19 January 2023, 23:07:44 »
Well, it has two factories: one that produces the Jagatai and Kirghiz, and one that produces the Predator. I know the Mandrills controlled the Predator facility and I think they took control of the aerospace factory after the fall of the Jaguars.

You might also be thinking of the Xerxes factory on Kirin, which the Horses rolled on once the Jaguars were gone. Although Sarna makes the same supposition on the Omnifighter factory, which sounds entirely likely to me too. I don't think it ever really clicked to me that the Jaguars were building Jagatais at one point.
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Re: Clan Fire Mandrill: Monkey Talk
« Reply #435 on: 19 January 2023, 23:49:58 »
You might also be thinking of the Xerxes factory on Kirin, which the Horses rolled on once the Jaguars were gone.

Oh no, that factory I already knew about. It's on my master Horses document. It's the only confirmed fighter they've ever produced.
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