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To my knowledge there are only two in existence and they make the 3039 Charger look good.

However having 16 lines for Battlemech production alone is impressive now he needs the troops to pilot them.

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I'm predicting a lot of freeborn recruitment for the immediate future, plus raising more sibkos.

Marena has a generic repository she's just leaving alone right now. I wonder if it might not benefit both parties for her to share that resource with Jiyi in exchange for some of Sudeten's production. It'll likely be a while before Jiyi can fill all those mechs anyway, and Marena can either use them for her own militia it as incentives for hiring mercs.
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The Falcon Remnant certainly has the potential to very rapidly become a polity that is impossible to conventionally shift due to geographical concerns (mostly that it's not worth putting that much effort into anything short of Terra).

Marena feels like she's making a poor decision by instantly choosing scorn over indifference to warriors.  It's a believable bad decision, but a decision that isn't in her or the AML's best interests all the same.
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Although they hired mercenaries they are rebuilding and training their forces.  The ALM just believes in talking or negotiating first.  My question is will they use create more sibkos or are they just going to use freeborns to rebuild their forces.

yeah but the problem is that the warriors are going to have a lot of firepower, and they're all going to know "we used to be in charge" the problem is when the ALM does rebuild their forces they're going to have to be careful otherwise a warrior coup will occur.

and of course you have other issues as well.. people are already drawing comparisons to the ALM and the society... even the comparison risks setting off the other clans.

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Pragmatic Falcons ... while not something I expected to type, you must admit it took the reaction from Malvina to force certain re-evaluations.
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A couple of days later, and I still love how the Falcon Remnant bloodied the Horse's collective noses with both Khans present on Sudeten.  It renews my old Falcon fandom which has lied dormant for a very long time.

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I am rather amused that it happened as a dramatic foil to Malvina's victory on Sudeten, too.

Internal threat vs. External threat
Wasted valuable resources vs. Saved valuable resources
Chaotic and superior individuals vs. Disciplined teamwork to make up for individual shortcomings
Blunt and direct application of force vs. Nuanced implementation of a practiced plan

With very similar assets and a superficial nod to Malvina with the initial dropship surprise.

Jiyi is Malvina's opposite in basically every way, and there's no way it isn't deliberate
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While we're (well, me) talking about mirrors of previous Falcon circumstances, it's also cool to see the Falcons being the ones resisting an invasion by a hostile Clan.  Next thing you know we'll be talking about the various splinter factions temporarily banding together to form Army Group Sudeten to fight back against a vicious Clan inv-


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They gave a fact checker free rein to write a sourcebook.  I took the opportunity to resolve as many “early installment weirdness” elements as possible - dangling threads and inconsistencies that had bugged me for decades.

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Are you playing the long game to get Army Group Sudeten canonized? ;D
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While we're (well, me) talking about mirrors of previous Falcon circumstances, it's also cool to see the Falcons being the ones resisting an invasion by a hostile Clan.

No, no, I agree 100% with your assessment.  Jiyi calculates, is inclusive, is capable of subtlety, and doesn't need to resort to terror tactics or overwhelming force to win.

A literal breath of fresh air.

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Are you playing the long game to get Army Group Sudeten canonized? ;D

While I could be coy and lead you on, I have to admit I had to go Googling for that reference just now.  Hadn’t previously been on my radar.
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While I could be coy and lead you on, I have to admit I had to go Googling for that reference just now.  Hadn’t previously been on my radar.

It is something I ran into in the General board a couple times, the general gist of it is that there are a bunch of regiments in the initial invasion whose last moves are retreating to Sudeten and then are never mentioned again.  "Army Group Sudeten" is the term for what is obviously a fact-check failure given FASA's tendencies and is otherwise easily explained, but it seemed like exactly the kind of thing that'd get a passing mention for giggles if nothing else.
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yeah but the problem is that the warriors are going to have a lot of firepower, and they're all going to know "we used to be in charge" the problem is when the ALM does rebuild their forces they're going to have to be careful otherwise a warrior coup will occur.

and of course you have other issues as well.. people are already drawing comparisons to the ALM and the society... even the comparison risks setting off the other clans.

At least she does possess the same megalomania some of the past Falcon leaders possess.  You also have to figure that if she plays her cards right many freebirths warriors will look to her with respect and awe.  For the entire history of the Falcons when trueborns rose to power most freeborn were lucky to be minor garrison commanders at best or cannon fodder at worst.  Hopefully now like Napoleons army you can climb the ranks regardless of family history or how you were birthed.

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At least she does possess the same megalomania some of the past Falcon leaders possess.  You also have to figure that if she plays her cards right many freebirths warriors will look to her with respect and awe.  For the entire history of the Falcons when trueborns rose to power most freeborn were lucky to be minor garrison commanders at best or cannon fodder at worst.  Hopefully now like Napoleons army you can climb the ranks regardless of family history or how you were birthed.

maybe, but ultimately they can't climb to the final rank.. and when word reaches that Jiyi is allowing trials of founding...

as I said she might manage but it's a tightrope she'll need to walk

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maybe, but ultimately they can't climb to the final rank.. and when word reaches that Jiyi is allowing trials of founding...

as I said she might manage but it's a tightrope she'll need to walk

To be fair, this hasn't actually happened yet, the possibility has been mentioned in the text but we have no indication that it has happened.
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To be fair, this hasn't actually happened yet, the possibility has been mentioned in the text but we have no indication that it has happened.

yup I'm just noting potential snags she may have to deal with in the future.

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How are you guys pronouncing Jiyi? Gee-Yee? Jye-Yee? C) Other?
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I just roll with the Gee-Yee pronunciation and call it good.

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How are you guys pronouncing Jiyi? Gee-Yee? Jye-Yee? C) Other?
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I pronounce the first syllable like Gif. Make of that what you will. :D
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Ummmm... close enough?

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I pronounce the first syllable like Gif. Make of that what you will. :D

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"You guys are facing a freaking Shadow Division! These guys have strict policies against playing fair!"

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How are you guys pronouncing Jiyi? Gee-Yee? Jye-Yee? C) Other?

Jee-youe or Ji-you or Jai-you (in my mind, kinda like a Traditional mainland Chinese or Japanese accent / pronunciation / inflection)
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For now the infant, Jiyi's "Jade Dominion" (I called it ;D), I'll bring it up again, as he needs to full holes in his Touman, he has no shortage of good battlemechs, but of personnel, how is his aerospace force looking ? Will we see (safer)Protomechs (if there are the Scientist Caste resources in the Dominion), and conventional forces supplementing for now ? As more Mechwarriors and Sibko's become available later on ?

PS> I forget, does it say that Jiyi has access to Scientist Caste assets and Iron Wombs ? (I doubt Marena would give him access to hers, or maybe >? Possibly a negotiation for some access to Sudeten's factories ?) 
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The Protos never really got off the ground with the Falcons.  With so few scientific and technical individuals I doubt we will see any Protos from the Falcons. We may see it from the Hells Horses however.

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The Protos never really got off the ground with the Falcons.  With so few scientific and technical individuals I doubt we will see any Protos from the Falcons. We may see it from the Hells Horses however.

It's a shame, since the Roc paints up very nicely in JF colors.
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For now the infant, Jiyi's "Jade Dominion" (I called it ;D), I'll bring it up again, as he needs to full holes in his Touman, he has no shortage of good battlemechs, but of personnel, how is his aerospace force looking ? Will we see (safer)Protomechs (if there are the Scientist Caste resources in the Dominion), and conventional forces supplementing for now ? As more Mechwarriors and Sibko's become available later on ?

PS> I forget, does it say that Jiyi has access to Scientist Caste assets and Iron Wombs ? (I doubt Marena would give him access to hers, or maybe >? Possibly a negotiation for some access to Sudeten's factories ?)

Sudeten has facilities that manufacture four different kinds of dropships including Unions, Broadswords, and Overlords, and also produces the Persepolis and the Syctha fighters, both of which seem like they're extremely... offensive-minded fighters.  Lighter fighters seem to not be as readily available.

I might be mistaken but I'm pretty sure the Falcons just jettisoned their scientist caste entirely during the Jihad/Wars of Reaving and their technical design and manufacturing is handled almost entirely by the technician caste now.
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It's a shame, since the Roc paints up very nicely in JF colors.

Aff, the Roc is one of my favourites too. Pity there was not a "Roc II", I still think the idea of "Hyper" (Generation 3 or 4) Protomechs would be interesting to see. Advances in Ferro Fibers, MASC, EI (Safe) interface, bump up the weight to 15 tons, start to rival light mechs, being faster, more agile and adaptable
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Sudeten has facilities that manufacture four different kinds of dropships including Unions, Broadswords, and Overlords, and also produces the Persepolis and the Syctha fighters, both of which seem like they're extremely... offensive-minded fighters.  Lighter fighters seem to not be as readily available.

I might be mistaken but I'm pretty sure the Falcons just jettisoned their scientist caste entirely during the Jihad/Wars of Reaving and their technical design and manufacturing is handled almost entirely by the technician caste now.

That's a nice tid bit about the Dropships, ALL of thier scientist caste, quineg ? Might be a few stragglers to guide Techs ? Also any precious Iron Wombs on Sudeten ?
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