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Ugh, I'm gonna have to actually read Hour of the Wolf for bits like that, aren't I?


well unless CGL hires someone to re-write HOTW... then yes

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Considering how much was going on all over the planet, they could have done it Tukayyid style with short stories.  It'd make a neat anthology.


I'm looking forward to seeing free-range Jade Falcon (Jiyu's) bump into domesticated Jade Falcon (Stephanie's).  We have a potential Jade Wolves situation going forward since Malvina bid the whole Touman.
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Considering how much was going on all over the planet, they could have done it Tukayyid style with short stories.  It'd make a neat anthology.


Intreasting idea, stretch the fall of terra out across several novels and anthologies..

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I am curious to see, all "three" Falcons address the threat of the Horses looking for blood.

Will Stephanie (3153 ?) push towards Sudeten and Jiyi's Jade Dominion to re-enforce it, both militarily and economically If she can base off Bear Worlds, as part of the new SLDF, that are near the former tip of the spear to Sudeten, ie: La grave ? As it stands, it would work both way, as Sudeten has sibkos and mechs, to help Blackwatch Falcon's material problems (Also is not Star Colonel Baxter, (from Stephanie ? or bearing news about her?) is up in the Jade Dominion too.

Does Sudeten hold Blood legacies and the Iron Wombs ? or does Stephanie's forces have their copies too

Will (more out of necessity) Marena ally with them too, or atleast form a defensive pact to act as a "wall" to stop the Horses incursions and take over plans ?

As we can say, in the end, we are all Falcon, then with a (loose) alliance, perhaps all three Falcons can claim an equal share of neutral territory left in the (anti-spinward region) of the former Occupation Zone, by treaty, near, but not border with the Tamar Pact, Brewer and his Marches, and the Kell Hounds 
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The AMl seems more bent on being it's own thing imho.
For Colonel Baxter, the big headscratch is that he's confirmed to be one of Jiyi's men, but he knows about the result of the ilClan trial and his position is that he's cool with it ( and so Jiyi, supposedly), so the timeline of No Substitute for Victory is more advanced than that of A Question of Survival but how they solve the  conflict of station it is unknown to me.
I can say though that Jiyi seems to still be in charge from what I can gather from Col. Baxter.

For the other question, I understood that on Sudeten they have the genetic legacies but missing the actual Iron Wombs at the moment ( no doubt our preferred merchant clan will provide)

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Considering how much was going on all over the planet, they could have done it Tukayyid style with short stories.  It'd make a neat anthology.

I hadn’t heard anyone suggest a Tukayyid style book for Terra. If you mean by breaking up various campaigns and sequences into something like those clan specific Tukayyid campaigns, I like that. Blue Heron / China is a sequence, Four Horsemen and Wrecking ball as one…

I like this. A lot.


Intreasting idea, stretch the fall of terra out across several novels and anthologies..

I will punt on this idea unless the various authors wouldn’t have been bound by Pardoe’s “the Republic deserves to lose 100% of its engagements, on every level” goal
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I'll just say at this point i have no interest in any part of Battle of Terra, whether it is to read about it or to play it, even if it was rewritten (which it won't be). Just forget it and let's move on.


At least we got rid of Malvina, can actually consider painting a Falcon unit after all.
Just as with Inner Sphere factions, kinda leaning toward generic camo paint job for the original OmniMecs (even though none of the Falcon factions field all of them, ignoring the Warhawk), and getting some Falcon-specific mechs and painting them with some Falcon scheme. Still too bad the Falcon 'Mechs are spread across so many force packs. Wish there was a pack with Fire Falcon, Black Lanner, Night Gyr, Turkina, and... dunno, Battle Cobra.
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I'll just say at this point i have no interest in any part of Battle of Terra, whether it is to read about it or to play it, even if it was rewritten (which it won't be). Just forget it and let's move on.

Really, this. I just found the idea of a Tukayyid Style Terra book neat.

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Oh there were some Clan defeats besides the Battle of Japan...

But like the rest of CBT, there are stories everywhere.
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Just double checking some facts for my clicktech miniatures collection

Jiyi: Does Jiyi pilot anything else but a Gryfalcon ?

Stephanie: In HotW she piloted a Shrike. What did she use in the other novels she is featured in ? I remember hearing something about a Heiro Falcon, after her Shrike was destroyed ?

Archer Pryde: ? also Ichiba Pryde, what happened to her ? I think she piloted a Shrike

Nortimo Helmer: ?

Khalus Pryde: Jupiter

Also, what book or site has a list of all the new Falcon mechs ? Master Unit ?
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Random question, Did Diana Pryde pilot a Nova A or a custom Nova, that just had the two PPCs and left off the Medium Pulse laser.  I don't recall her ever using anything but the PPCs in Falcon Rising, but I don't know if what her exact variant was ever published, Sarna just said she used a Nova.  (I don't own that book, borrowed it from a friend a while ago, so good chance my memory is flawed on this).

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Just double checking some facts for my clicktech miniatures collection

Jiyi: Does Jiyi pilot anything else but a Gryfalcon ?

Stephanie: In HotW she piloted a Shrike. What did she use in the other novels she is featured in ? I remember hearing something about a Heiro Falcon, after her Shrike was destroyed ?

Archer Pryde: ? also Ichiba Pryde, what happened to her ? I think she piloted a Shrike

Nortimo Helmer: ?

Khalus Pryde: Jupiter

Also, what book or site has a list of all the new Falcon mechs ? Master Unit ?

I'm pretty sure Stephanie Chistu piloted a Grand Summoner prior to it being wrecked in one of the novellas that released around the same time as Shattered Fortress.
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Jiyi pilots a Gyr even in the latest book but his skills from Tamar Rising beg for an upgrade at some point ( Jade Phoenix Prime I'm looking at you).

I have no clue about Ichiba but Archerand Khalus  are confirmed alive and well with JF on Terra.

Noritomo is Loremaster of the ilClan.

For Rats, Tamars Rising has the list for Jiyi's Falcons, for the ilClan Falcons we have no source yet.

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Yeah, checked Sarna out, Archer and Khalus are alive. Khalus is saKhan, Archer (probably) Star Colonel now of first Blackwatch Cluster, out side new Turkina Keshik

Ichiba seemed to be a character that disappeared without a trace, dead or alive...

Writers, can you help us out ?

Will actually look up my copy of Stephanie's books

Thanks for your references
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Hey, do we have any info on what other mechs were in Jiyi's command star?
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From Tamar Rising, A Question of Survival (currently reading), and No Substitute For Victory

I am currently trying to get a roster on as many named personalities of Jiyi's Falcons.

Can you give a bird a claw :thumbsup:
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Bloodhouse Hazen has had some oddballs since the invasion.  Nekane Hazen (the Red Corsair) and Malvina both had some serious issues.  Maybe the Scientists need to look for some crosses with more stable (even lesser performing houses). 

Maybe some of the Widowmaker genes that Wolf has been using.

But I personally think the Bloodhouse should be Reaved by one count.

Wondering about it, i wonder if the Hazen line had some Society meddling at any point to bring out serious issues in the line to try and get the Falcons Annihilated/Absorbed or the bloodline Reaved? (I'm sooo sorry my Khan but the bloodline is just too unstable now, there's no choice, we did everything we could, yes it is a mark of shame on the whole clan and now every bloodhouse must be investigated by us the Socia... scientist caste, sorry i was thinking how this would affect us as a society and it slipped out, nothing more, there's no secret society of scientists, trying to annihilate you, honest my Khan!) how far back did the Society go? how deep did the Falcons look before they overreacted... again?
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Wondering about it, i wonder if the Hazen line had some Society meddling at any point to bring out serious issues in the line to try and get the Falcons Annihilated/Absorbed or the bloodline Reaved? (I'm sooo sorry my Khan but the bloodline is just too unstable now, there's no choice, we did everything we could, yes it is a mark of shame on the whole clan and now every bloodhouse must be investigated by us the Socia... scientist caste, sorry i was thinking how this would affect us as a society and it slipped out, nothing more, there's no secret society of scientists, trying to annihilate you, honest my Khan!) how far back did the Society go? how deep did the Falcons look before they overreacted... again?

How many times have the Falcons (and other Clans) played the “shoot first, shoot them again, and maybe ask a few questions” game.  Malvina was a psychopath whose Clan (and her fellow warriors) permitted her to go too far.  She was a result for the “might makes right” program similar to the inbreeding common with the European aristocracy just on a purely psychological and mental level.

I doubt the Society had anything to do with Malvina besides thanks to the War of Reavings I believe the Falcons kept their Science Caste on a pretty tight leash.

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It should be noted that one of Malvina's Falconers specifically encouraged her psychotic behavior and others didn't stop that, so Malvina's on the Falcon Warriors themselves, not their Scientists.
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From Tamar Rising, A Question of Survival (currently reading), and No Substitute For Victory

I am currently trying to get a roster on as many named personalities of Jiyi's Falcons.

Can you give a bird a claw :thumbsup:

To be honest besides Jiyi, Hasara and the characters in the books you mentioned I cannot see anyone, but the author of A question of Survival said the four bear cubs from that book will be become relevant characters ( Alexis especially I suppose)

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Yeah, checked Sarna out, Archer and Khalus are alive. Khalus is saKhan, Archer (probably) Star Colonel now of first Blackwatch Cluster, out side new Turkina Keshik

Ichiba seemed to be a character that disappeared without a trace, dead or alive...

Writers, can you help us out ?

Will actually look up my copy of Stephanie's books

Thanks for your references

Where can this info be found? Or any info at all about the post-IlClan Trial Falcons? I wa8nt aware anything at all had been published on them.
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Khalus and Archer are on p104 ilClan. (Khalus being nominated by Archer as saKhan).  I don't know anything about a Blackwatch Cluster.
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How many times have the Falcons (and other Clans) played the “shoot first, shoot them again, and maybe ask a few questions” game.  Malvina was a psychopath whose Clan (and her fellow warriors) permitted her to go too far.  She was a result for the “might makes right” program similar to the inbreeding common with the European aristocracy just on a purely psychological and mental level.

I doubt the Society had anything to do with Malvina besides thanks to the War of Reavings I believe the Falcons kept their Science Caste on a pretty tight leash.

It should be noted that one of Malvina's Falconers specifically encouraged her psychotic behavior and others didn't stop that, so Malvina's on the Falcon Warriors themselves, not their Scientists.

That doesn't mean that there was no society input ever, that just means that the warriors encouraged what was already a personality trait in one person. apparently the society has been a thing since not long after Klondike, just because they couldn't do anything to Malvina, doesn't mean they didn't leave something there way before her that slowly became more dominant in later generations (since as another pointed out, at least one person of the same bloodhouse was also a bit.. odd, this is the group of scientists that made a tailored virus that attacked only one bloodhouses genetic markers, they can play the long game) such as a higher genetic chance of developing drop-a-warship-on-them-aritus faster than other bloodlines or not removing those tendencies like they do with other bloodhouses that just so happened to come to enough of a fruition in her.
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Where can this info be found? Or any info at all about the post-IlClan Trial Falcons? I wa8nt aware anything at all had been published on them.
Hour of the Wolf (book) and ilClan (manual) mostly.

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Hour of the Wolf (book) and ilClan (manual) mostly.

Do you know where a Blackwatch Cluster was mentioned? I can't find anything mentioning that in either Hour of the Wolf or ilClan.
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Do you know where a Blackwatch Cluster was mentioned? I can't find anything mentioning that in either Hour of the Wolf or ilClan.

There is none I think it's an assumption on some peoples parts that the Jade falcons will dedicate a cluster specificly to the duties of the black watch thus freeing up the rest of the clan to persue their own agenda

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That doesn't mean that there was no society input ever, that just means that the warriors encouraged what was already a personality trait in one person. apparently the society has been a thing since not long after Klondike, just because they couldn't do anything to Malvina, doesn't mean they didn't leave something there way before her that slowly became more dominant in later generations (since as another pointed out, at least one person of the same bloodhouse was also a bit.. odd, this is the group of scientists that made a tailored virus that attacked only one bloodhouses genetic markers, they can play the long game) such as a higher genetic chance of developing drop-a-warship-on-them-aritus faster than other bloodlines or not removing those tendencies like they do with other bloodhouses that just so happened to come to enough of a fruition in her.

I can see Etienne selectively attacking certain blood heritages- especially the more notable ones.
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There is none I think it's an assumption on some peoples parts that the Jade falcons will dedicate a cluster specificly to the duties of the black watch thus freeing up the rest of the clan to persue their own agenda
Yes as far as I can see while it has been said the Terra Falcons picked up bodyguard duties no one mentioned Blackguard clusters explicitely, it's just a nickname from the fans.

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It's a nickname that should be stamped out immediately then, because it's far more "rumor created from whole cloth" than nickname.
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Stephanie: In HotW she piloted a Shrike. What did she use in the other novels she is featured in ? I remember hearing something about a Heiro Falcon, after her Shrike was destroyed ?


Wasn't she piloting a Jade Hawk?