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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1080 on: 26 July 2020, 19:17:12 »
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1081 on: 26 July 2020, 19:50:24 »
Wolves: "We're the IlClan!"

Other IS clans: "So what?"

Other IS Clans: and greatly weakened by your conquest. Your time as IlClan will be ... short.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1082 on: 26 July 2020, 19:52:06 »
" Their Wolverines. " is what Jerome Blake would have said.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1083 on: 26 July 2020, 20:21:55 »
Other IS Clans: and greatly weakened by your conquest. Your time as IlClan will be ... short.

That's how I expect things to go, unless Alaric by some shenanigans managed to absorb the RAF mostly intact.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1084 on: 26 July 2020, 21:51:58 »
I wouldn't count that out.  Alaric might use the fear of Malvina and the Jade Falcons to leverage just that, an Absorption of Republic forces for use like the Romans used auxiliaries. 

All that needs to happen is for Malvina to be herself.

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« Reply #1085 on: 26 July 2020, 23:04:02 »
I'm on board with the Mongol philosophy, insofar as I totally get "I'm mad as hell and not taking any more!"

But Malvina can eat a lithobraking WarShip.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1086 on: 26 July 2020, 23:10:54 »
Something mind blowing is going to happen. Is there going to be a lot of angry Jade Falcon players, possibly. Are there going to be ecstatic Jade Falcons, maybe. Are the Jade Falcons going to come extremely close to winning but to only lose at the last second, most likely. Are we going to hate all that is Clan Wolf and Wolf's Dragoons even more, highly likely.


Will Malvina win the battle but somehow get killed by her fellow Jade Falcons to end her insanity. Hopefully...

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« Reply #1087 on: 26 July 2020, 23:12:19 »
Or the Capellan Confederation, the RotS' sworn nemesis since day one.

I noticed near the end of Shattered Sphere the Wolves were making efforts to take bondsmen when possible of RAF units they encountered in the push to Terra. I'm wondering if/how badly that will bite them in the ass, if all those RAF soldiers keep their allegiance to the Republic despite their cords being cut, or if they'll be the squishy first line once the Falcons strike.

For Malvina, you'd think she's got a dagger with her name on it already if I recall The Anvil. Then that would only leave the Raptor Keshik to deal with (but not before detailing what their paint scheme is!)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1088 on: 26 July 2020, 23:19:44 »
All I know for sure is I'm getting a new laptop in order to download IlClan the day it hits.  Tired of posting on my phone.  And I'll get a good copy of word to contribute, even if it's just fan fiction and Sarna.  I have stories that need to exorcised from my soul.  And the Jade Falcons are among those stories.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1089 on: 28 July 2020, 00:04:26 »
I'm on board with the Mongol philosophy, insofar as I totally get "I'm mad as hell and not taking any more!"

But Malvina can eat a lithobraking WarShip.

I mean, that wasn't even the point of the Mongol doctrine.  Mongol doctrine is "if you resist we will kill all of you, if you surrender none of you will be harmed", it's a doctrine of rewarding submission and harshly punishing dissent.

Nothing about the Falcons' use of Mongol doctrine has actually been it, it's just indiscriminate slaughter with a name.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1090 on: 28 July 2020, 00:32:20 »
It may not have been the point, but it's why so many Falcons adopted it. it gave them the excuse to take the gloves off.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1091 on: 28 July 2020, 07:26:53 »
I can see why so many Falcons are willing to follow nutcase that is Malvina Hazen and her version of Mongol Doctrine but I am not so sure that it's good thing on long run. Sure there is some logic behind Falcons adopting it but it only makes everyone our enemies. It does reflect Jihad and how Wobbies did things during it.   
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1092 on: 12 August 2020, 12:44:10 »
I can see why so many Falcons are willing to follow nutcase that is Malvina Hazen and her version of Mongol Doctrine but I am not so sure that it's good thing on long run. Sure there is some logic behind Falcons adopting it but it only makes everyone our enemies. It does reflect Jihad and how Wobbies did things during it.

Yeah, they forgot the Smoke Jaguar lesson. If you are a big enough jerk everyone will team up to crush you.

Which... is about to happen considering all the people getting ready for Terra.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1093 on: 12 August 2020, 17:52:14 »
From the sounds of the falcon book preview, I think there's a movement from the inside to get rid of her.

Really at this point, I don't know if I want her out more because she's a nut case that's going to get my favorite clan destroyed, or because she's become such a boring 2 dimensional villain.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1094 on: 17 August 2020, 08:38:40 »
I hope it does happen and she is gotten rid of from inside clan before she gets whole clan destroyed.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1095 on: 17 August 2020, 21:23:35 »
My Jade Falcon heart believes that they will become ilClan and there will be a point where the Falcons have to do a culling of Malvina and the Mongols to succeed. I don't know how it will play out but the Smoke Jaguars/Fidelis will also be involved. I have started to think more and more that there will be some kind of joint Falcon/Jaguar event that makes both clans ilClan somehow. They will have to defeat a Wolf/Dragoons force to be ilClan.

After reading Forever Faithfull, I have gotten a belief that the Jaguars/Fidelis will play a strong role in deciding who becomes ilClan. The Jaguars are technically the first clan on Terra. Will it be the Falcons vs the Wolves with the Falcons close to winning when the Dragoons show up? Then the Jaguars get involved and help the Falcons win and somewhere in there Malvina gets killed?

The opening of TRO Jihad also pushes me more into the Falcon/Jaguar joint ilClan theory. It mentions that the Crusaders were right about the IS and gives mention to Leo Showers, Lincoln Osis, Elias Crichell, and Vandervahn Chistu and has a very Crusader tone to it. I can't see any of them being admired in any amount by a Wolf led ilClan. They would be talking about Ulric Kerensky so much that you would throw up in your mouth.

Something big is coming. Hopefully it involves the Jade Falcons being ilClan.

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« Reply #1096 on: 18 August 2020, 07:43:57 »
I'll take anything that's not another "Wolf Empire wins at everything forever and never suffers any sort of setback" at this point.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1097 on: 19 August 2020, 06:21:13 »
I love CJF and that includes Malvina. It pains me to see CJF fans construct their love of CJF around excluding her. I do not believe CJF would have a serious shot at ilClan without her.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1098 on: 19 August 2020, 06:22:46 »
Malvina is not a proper Jade Falcon. Doesn't matter if the Jade Falcons can't be the IlClan without her, being an IlClan based on terror tactics is not worth it.
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« Reply #1099 on: 19 August 2020, 08:05:34 »
I agree. Besides her presence and her terror tactics gives more reason for CJF not to become ilClan when being against Alaric and Wolf Empire that are considered good guys in this sittuation. 
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1100 on: 19 August 2020, 09:35:44 »
Better to be shackled to Wolves than free of our honor.

I'm starting to think that our best case scenario isn't to become the IlClan - it is to be the IlClan's conscience.

No, really, stop laughing.

I think the best outcome for the Clan is to cast off Malvina and her doctrine, then ally themselves to the new IlKhan and become the force that guides them, reminding them always of the Honor Road and the Clan Way, in a similar manner as Ulric's Wolves sought to moderate REVIVAL not by fighting it, but by being a part of it.

The snippets of information we have that imply a Roshak is the Loremaster to a new Star League gives me hope that this might actually happen.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1101 on: 19 August 2020, 09:53:53 »
Better to be shackled to Wolves than free of our honor.

I'm starting to think that our best case scenario isn't to become the IlClan - it is to be the IlClan's conscience.

No, really, stop laughing.

I think the best outcome for the Clan is to cast off Malvina and her doctrine, then ally themselves to the new IlKhan and become the force that guides them, reminding them always of the Honor Road and the Clan Way, in a similar manner as Ulric's Wolves sought to moderate REVIVAL not by fighting it, but by being a part of it.

The snippets of information we have that imply a Roshak is the Loremaster to a new Star League gives me hope that this might actually happen.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1102 on: 19 August 2020, 10:16:50 »
Better to be shackled to Wolves than free of our honor.

I'm starting to think that our best case scenario isn't to become the IlClan - it is to be the IlClan's conscience.

No, really, stop laughing.

I think the best outcome for the Clan is to cast off Malvina and her doctrine, then ally themselves to the new IlKhan and become the force that guides them, reminding them always of the Honor Road and the Clan Way, in a similar manner as Ulric's Wolves sought to moderate REVIVAL not by fighting it, but by being a part of it.

The snippets of information we have that imply a Roshak is the Loremaster to a new Star League gives me hope that this might actually happen.

Jade Falcon for LoreClan!

In my opinion (which no one asked for), the Falcons should lose out to the Wolves but Malvina isn't killed or removed from power. Rather, when presented with the ilClan she would reluctantly admit that her doctrine was wrong, otherwise she would have won. She then leads the Falcons as the ardent supporters of a new Star League led by ilClan Wolf.
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« Reply #1103 on: 19 August 2020, 10:17:59 »
Given the continual watering down of Malvina, this is a distant possibility.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1104 on: 19 August 2020, 13:23:17 »
I mean Pershaw was the Loremaster for all the Clans for how many years? I’m not surprised that a Falcon would be Loremaster.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1105 on: 19 August 2020, 13:41:00 »
In my opinion (which no one asked for), the Falcons should lose out to the Wolves but Malvina isn't killed or removed from power. Rather, when presented with the ilClan she would reluctantly admit that her doctrine was wrong, otherwise she would have won. She then leads the Falcons as the ardent supporters of a new Star League led by ilClan Wolf.

This is really hamstrung by the whole part of Malvina's characterization where "winning" is not and has never been the objective.  Y'know that meme from Brooklyn-99?



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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1106 on: 19 August 2020, 13:45:18 »
What’re these posts in the CJF thread advocating for Clan Wolf (*spits*) as ilClan? This kind of defeatism regularly correlates with anti-Malvina sentiment.

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« Reply #1107 on: 19 August 2020, 14:18:09 »
The path of honor is one that must be followed, no matter how difficult the road, or uncomfortable the truths it leads to.
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« Reply #1108 on: 19 August 2020, 14:35:05 »
So often honor amounts to a rationalization softening the blow of failure, including anticipated failure. A society that allows, even encourages, fratricide in the creche cannot pretend to judge violence as a matter of honor. Criticizing Malvina as dishonorable exposes a deep hypocrisy in Clan psychology.
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« Reply #1109 on: 19 August 2020, 14:51:53 »
As a player, i'm not a big fan of factions that indulge in terror tactics etc. as a rule rather than just occasionally (or historically, like all Successor States during the early Succession Wars).

31st Century Falcons are a fun bunch. Later on, no. The sooner we get rid of Malvina, the sooner Falcons actually become a likeable faction again... provided they're still around. Frankly, if they don't get rid of Malvina, i'm completely fine getting rid of Falcons completely.
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