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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1200 on: 17 October 2020, 18:34:43 »
As for the Falcons, perhaps the Battle Cobra? It would certainly do the job of adding a little more oomph to a formation of Ullers. And they'd certainly have plenty after all their clashes with the Vipers.

That's why the Kickstarter Support Star looks like an interesting fit for the Falcons. Night Gyr and Black Lanner along with two isorla Viper 'Mechs in the Battle Cobra and Arctic Cheetah (and a Linebacker, why not?).

Or maybe a Viper Star with stolen Falcon goodies...  ;)

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1201 on: 17 October 2020, 18:43:45 »
Sometimes militaries have holes in them that make little sense to outsiders.

I would guess that the Sharks preferred the Grendel, and the Wolves the Fenris.

As for the Falcons, perhaps the Battle Cobra? It would certainly do the job of adding a little more oomph to a formation of Ullers. And they'd certainly have plenty after all their clashes with the Vipers.

The Battle Cobra is also apparently bizarrely restricted.  Along with the Shadow Cat, Falcons are on the list to have them, but that list only includes about half of the Clans at the start of the Invasion.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1202 on: 18 October 2020, 03:56:20 »
Perhaps you could head canon it that whilst the Shadow Cat was around for some time, because of its lingering Warden smell having been made by the Nova Cats, the proud/haughty (or idiotic) Falcons basically said "Neg" and instead wanted to develop their own design. This would lead to the development of the Black Lanner which perhaps was more protracted than intended due to the large engine and getting everything in there.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1203 on: 18 October 2020, 05:51:28 »
The Falcons do put the Nova back into production on the OZ in the 3060's so they must have thought fairly highly of it.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1204 on: 18 October 2020, 09:31:51 »
The Hellbringer is the perfect mech.

The electronics of a light.  The armor of a medium.  The chassis of a heavy.  Finally, if you customize it, the firepower of an assault.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1205 on: 18 October 2020, 12:52:50 »
The Hellbringer is the perfect mech.

The electronics of a light.  The armor of a medium.  The chassis of a heavy.  Finally, if you customize it, the firepower of an assault.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1206 on: 18 October 2020, 17:00:36 »
Interesting, I'd missed those data points.

I definitely agree that the Shadow Cat seems right up their alley, what with its combination of good speed and maneuverability combined with solid firepower. How old is the Shadow Cat? Would it be widespread at the beginning of REVIVAL or just before?

I'm starting to wonder if the early 31st-century Falcons might have had low numbers of mediums altogether, instead throwing lots of Ullers at most problems, with heavy mechs (or the odd captured medium) to stiffen up those formations.

One of these days, I'll go through the Jade Falcon Phonebook, and run the averages of each chassis in there. Quick skims certainly seem to imply that Ullers form the bulk of several Clusters.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1207 on: 18 October 2020, 19:45:22 »
Interesting...I wonder what a breakdown of all the mechs in that book would look like.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1208 on: 18 October 2020, 22:23:08 »
When I was trying to figure out what Mech packs I wanted to get for my Jade Falcons I broke down all the typical Falcon designs in the phonebook. This is what I came up with:

Turkina: 4

Night Gyr: 6

Summoner: 104
Summoner A: 39 
Summoner B: 8
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Hellbringer A: 27 
Hellbringer B: 3
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Kit Fox: 159
Kit Fox A: 59
Kit Fox B: 11
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1209 on: 18 October 2020, 22:26:58 »
Because I have nothing better to do, I'll go through the phonebook and group by Galaxy, skill, and config.  That should keep me occupied on a Sunday night.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1210 on: 18 October 2020, 22:32:17 »
One thing I noticed is the Falcons tended to use lights & heavies waaaay more than mediums. There were plenty of stars that had 3-4 Heavies and 2-1 Lights (most often Kit Foxes)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1211 on: 18 October 2020, 23:19:51 »
That's borne out so far in what I've gotten through (two Clusters and some change through the book), where there are 16 Kit Foxes and 9 other Lights.

EDIT:

Two full Galaxies (plus Keshik) through, and I'm up to 119 Kit Foxes and a total of 55 other Lights of all other Omnis (I didn't count any of the Solahma Cluster IS 'Mechs).
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1212 on: 19 October 2020, 07:36:00 »
I think my favorite was one star I saw that was 4x Kit Fox and a Dire Wolf. And the Dire Wolf wasn't even the Star Commander. I can't remember if the warrior was bloodnamed or not.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1213 on: 19 October 2020, 15:32:31 »
One thing I noticed is the Falcons tended to use lights & heavies waaaay more than mediums.

How very Dragon-esque of them.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1214 on: 19 October 2020, 16:44:39 »
I'm almost 100% sure it's something that would not survive if the books were re-written today.  I think it'd probably be more reasonable if there were as many Kit Foxes as all other Lighs combined, and what was left over became mediums that exist now but didn't when they were written.  You'd still have enormously more Kit Foxes than anything but Summoners and Hellbringers but it'd be a bit less insane.

Also notable: in two Galaxies and a Keshik so far, up to exactly four C configs across all Omnis, and nothing heavier than a Timber Wolf.  Alt configs are practically non-existent outside of the A.
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« Reply #1215 on: 20 October 2020, 07:05:57 »
One thing I noticed is the Falcons tended to use lights & heavies waaaay more than mediums. There were plenty of stars that had 3-4 Heavies and 2-1 Lights (most often Kit Foxes)

Which kinda makes sense, the Fenris (I prefer that name) is basically exclusive to the Wolves or Hellions and the other Clans seem to largely ignore it at least cannonically. The Viper/Dragonfly's seemingly something the Bears love and the Stormcrow for all its power isn't that common. And we know the Falcons basically spam Summoners and Hellbringers as well as Kit Fox's like its going out of fashion. They'd probably use a Hellbringer whereas other Clans might use a Stormcrow.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1216 on: 20 October 2020, 08:42:25 »
Split the 16 TRO3050 Omnis four ways someone is going to miss out somewhere.
Look at the Jags. Dire Wolves, Warhawks, Mad Dogs, oh my. And stuck with Mist Lynxes as their scouting asset.
The Bears infamously get stuck with the lightest light, medium, and heavy to the point future fluff has to outright say they run everything at a weight bracket heavier.

What makes it interesting is the secondary Mechs. Eg the Bears are called out in TRO3050 for using Stormcrow Cs. In later RATs two Heavies might be a Mad Dog, but the third will be a Timber Wolf or Summoner. Stormcrow/Nova in the mediums. Adder in the lights, and Warhawk/Kingfisher in the assaults.

So what does TRO3050 say about uniquely Falcon variants in otherwise foreign Mechs?

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1217 on: 20 October 2020, 14:35:17 »
Which kinda makes sense, the Fenris (I prefer that name) is basically exclusive to the Wolves or Hellions and the other Clans seem to largely ignore it at least cannonically. The Viper/Dragonfly's seemingly something the Bears love and the Stormcrow for all its power isn't that common. And we know the Falcons basically spam Summoners and Hellbringers as well as Kit Fox's like its going out of fashion. They'd probably use a Hellbringer whereas other Clans might use a Stormcrow.

These things are not supported by the MUL, incidentally:




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I'm pretty sure we draw our conclusions from the phonebooks and that one quote about being careful around Falcons not in a Kit Fox, Hellbringer, or Summoner, but fortunately we've gotten through the brief period of pop culture where stereotypes were the only meaningful objects of discourse.  It's entirely possible, even likely, that a Falcon unit is going to have a higher incidence of Kit Fox, Hellbringer, and Summoner 'Mechs without those three representing >60% of every Cluster.
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« Reply #1218 on: 20 October 2020, 16:11:41 »
I also noticed the 'flavor' in the original TRO 3050 and the 'Phone-book' source books was missing from the MUL.  Everything is available to everyone, which was true to a point, I guess.  I'm trying to split my Clan Invasion loot into CSJ Alpha Galaxy and CW Alpha Galaxy binaries and I'm not sure where to put the traditional Falcon mechs coming with Wave 1--the Hellbringer and Summoner.  I know they can go everywhere, but I'm leaning towards splitting the Jags into Stormcrow or faster and Warhawk or slower stars. 

That means the Hellbringer and Summoner will probably go into the Clan Wolf Forces, unless I decide to paint a CJF star, which isn't necessarily out of the question.....

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1219 on: 20 October 2020, 16:16:59 »
Plenty of Summoners and Hellbringers in the Clan Wolf phonebook, so definitely assign them to the Wolves.  No one will bat an eye.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1220 on: 20 October 2020, 17:13:20 »
That's kind of what I was getting at.  No one will bat an eye at any Original 16 Omni showing up in any Clan, to an extent that even if there are chassis one Clan favors over another, there shouldn't be anything so overwhelming that anyone feels like a design should go to X or Y Clan first.
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« Reply #1221 on: 20 October 2020, 17:29:30 »
That's kind of what I was getting at.  No one will bat an eye at any Original 16 Omni showing up in any Clan

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« Reply #1222 on: 20 October 2020, 17:46:46 »
Definitely doing a Timber Wolf in CSJ colors, just because I like the Jaguar spots pattern. 

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« Reply #1223 on: 20 October 2020, 18:38:21 »
But yet if you paint a Mad Cat in anything but Wolf colours the Wolf fanboys will explode

I don't see a downside.
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« Reply #1224 on: 20 October 2020, 19:08:30 »
I don't see a downside.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1225 on: 20 October 2020, 20:07:45 »
Definitely doing a Timber Wolf in CSJ colors, just because I like the Jaguar spots pattern.

Well first Jaguar mech that we saw in MC1 was Timber Wolf.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1226 on: 29 October 2020, 22:01:33 »
Is there a color scheme for Jade Falcon warships?

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #1228 on: 30 October 2020, 16:49:24 »
I don't see anything on Camospecs. Is there any examples anywhere or do I just get to create my own?

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« Reply #1229 on: 30 October 2020, 17:06:04 »
Weirdo's post is a link to cammospecs