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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #30 on: 15 November 2014, 07:35:39 »
This is only Thread II? Yes, harder falconing is necessary.

This is because we Falcon all over the other threads. Our awesomeness cannot be contained in two or three threads let alone a single one.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #31 on: 15 November 2014, 09:30:29 »
So fighting over the carcass of another clan victory?   :P

No, we came to eat the Wolf, leaving the carcass for the Snow Raven fluttering away in fear, because we're Clan Jade Falcon and we make everything at least twice as hard as it has to be. 

That's how Elizabeth Hazen did it, that's how Clan Jade Falcon does it, and it's worked out pretty well so far.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #32 on: 15 November 2014, 10:21:08 »
No, we came to eat the Wolf, leaving the carcass for the Snow Raven fluttering away in fear, because we're Clan Jade Falcon and we make everything at least twice as hard as it has to be. 

That's how Elizabeth Hazen did it, that's how Clan Jade Falcon does it, and it's worked out pretty well so far.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #33 on: 15 November 2014, 11:08:51 »
I'm...honestly not sure. I'd ask an admin like Worktroll or God and Davion first, to be sure.

Worktroll said no dice(pun not intended, but it works so well, doesn't it?)since I received them in a trade, but if I had made them myself, all would be kosher. 
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #34 on: 15 November 2014, 14:27:48 »
Using the remains of our last kill to attract the carrion-eaters for easy despatch, I would say. Quiaff?
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #35 on: 15 November 2014, 17:36:52 »
Worktroll said no dice(pun not intended, but it works so well, doesn't it?)since I received them in a trade, but if I had made them myself, all would be kosher.

Makes sense. The sticking point with stuff like this is usually distribution. If you made it yourself with your own hands(or a 3-d printer you personally own), then all would be good. The moment it is created by one person and passes into the ownership of another(whether made on commission, sold, or even as a gift), it becomes distributed, and no longer acceptable.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #36 on: 16 November 2014, 06:36:18 »
Using the remains of our last kill to attract the carrion-eaters for easy despatch, I would say. Quiaff?

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #37 on: 16 November 2014, 19:54:11 »
Using the remains of our last kill to attract the carrion-eaters for easy despatch, I would say. Quiaff?

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #38 on: 16 November 2014, 19:57:23 »
Brothers and sisters, I remain amused at how important it is to the lesser Clans to hang around our haunt. You'd think they had better things to do, than to spend their days apipng their betters ... perhaps they cover their embarrasment by trying to taunt us, while hoping secretly that some of our awesomeness will rub off on them by association, quiaff?
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #39 on: 16 November 2014, 20:01:01 »
Neg, we grant you some of our awesomeness because we simply have too much of our own.  Plus harassing Green Turkeys is fun ;)
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #40 on: 16 November 2014, 20:20:38 »
SOmeone needs to send the cold bird back to the sibko; its grammar is sadly deficient. It used the words "awesomeness" about Clan Snow Raven - a meaningless conjugation.

(And you get one free reply, Jaim the poster, and then we'd better stop lest we end up moved to the Hall ... :D )
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #41 on: 16 November 2014, 20:27:44 »
Heh. Snow Ravens are awesome, we use white hats and black hats interchangeably (a good thing because it's COLD).

But yes, we don't want to go to the Hall.  'Tis a silly place.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #42 on: 16 November 2014, 20:28:28 »
Brothers and sisters, I remain amused at how important it is to the lesser Clans to hang around our haunt. You'd think they had better things to do, than to spend their days apipng their betters ... perhaps they cover their embarrasment by trying to taunt us, while hoping secretly that some of our awesomeness will rub off on them by association, quiaff?

Indeed, it would appear our milkshake brings all the surats to the circle of equals.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #43 on: 16 November 2014, 20:55:54 »
Heh. Snow Ravens are awesome, we use white hats and black hats interchangeably (a good thing because it's COLD).

But yes, we don't want to go to the Hall.  'Tis a silly place.

On a relevant note, anyone read 'Sorrow of Eden' yet? Insert shameless plug here  O:-)

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #44 on: 16 November 2014, 21:07:24 »
Okay, let's go green for a bit - for Falcons, who would buy into the Mongol doctrine?

I confess my (OC) previous allegiances to the Smoke Jaguars and Ice Hellions, so for me (OC) it is a logical extension. IC, in that era, I see it as being (in most cases) a reaction to the way the universe - including Spheroids and other Clans - failed to play "fair" by Falcon interpretation of honour and behaviour. So that eventually all that frustration comes out as "Okay, play it your way. No. More. Mister. Nice. Guy."

So I would be there behind Malvina. How speak you, trothkin?
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #45 on: 16 November 2014, 21:13:09 »
I can understand the appeal of the Falcon version of the Mongol doctrine, but were I a Falcon warrior at the time I'd fight it tooth and nail.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #46 on: 16 November 2014, 21:17:31 »
Okay, let's go green for a bit - for Falcons, who would buy into the Mongol doctrine?

I confess my (OC) previous allegiances to the Smoke Jaguars and Ice Hellions, so for me (OC) it is a logical extension. IC, in that era, I see it as being (in most cases) a reaction to the way the universe - including Spheroids and other Clans - failed to play "fair" by Falcon interpretation of honour and behaviour. So that eventually all that frustration comes out as "Okay, play it your way. No. More. Mister. Nice. Guy."

So I would be there behind Malvina. How speak you, trothkin?

This is actually an interesting question, even for non-Falcons.  In the long term, there shouldn't be any reason this sort of behavior is sustainable.  Either the Falcons will fatigue themselves, and get picked off while they're weak, or other factions will essentially go, "Hey, it could be us next if we don't do something about these guys."  From that standpoint, the current Falcon strategy seems to be self-defeating.

But the thing is, they're WINNING.  And Malvina Hazen doesn't tolerate disagreement well.  Do you REALLY want to be the Falcon to try to oppose her, particularly when it seems like, "Hey, she's getting crap done, we may actually make it to Terra"?

All in all, I am curious to see where this goes.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #47 on: 16 November 2014, 21:24:58 »
I think trials within the clan as well as trials with other honorable clan units(there are a few) should adhere to clan tradition as much as possible. 

When we are fighting anyone else, we shouldn't be hamstringing ourselves with bidding.  We should attack with everything on hand.  However we do need to show restraint in battle.  Conquering a planet does us no good if we level the infrastructure and have the entire populous against us.  Speaking of the populous, I believe we should use a softer touch.  We can not advance if we are constantly putting out fires in our back end.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #48 on: 16 November 2014, 21:29:05 »
I'm fine with the Mongol Doctrine, but hate that Malvina Hazen turns it against her own Clan.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #49 on: 17 November 2014, 12:50:49 »
I would like to see a modified Mongol doctrine.  Or in other words, maintain the trial system when engaging other clans, but not when fighting barbarians.  It is important for the clan to recognize that when fighting against barbarians, these practices do more harm than good.  When fighting barbarians, the batchall (“what forces defend x”) should be replaced with intel gathered by the watch.  But bidding by commanders should still happen. 

I don’t support the terror tactics of Malvina.  The clan should stick to the doctrine that damage to civilians and their infrastructure should be minimized – which is a staple of the clan way.  Civilian uprisings have never been a real problem for the clan anyway.  Also, Malvina is not really Jade Falcon.  Her goal of destroying mankind means that she is just using the Jade Falcons. 

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #50 on: 17 November 2014, 15:31:37 »
Also, Malvina is not really Jade Falcon.  Her goal of destroying mankind means that she is just using the Jade Falcons. 

Hey, but she would destroy her own Clan last! Surely, that must count for something, right?

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #51 on: 17 November 2014, 15:45:25 »
Well, she did renounce her Jade Falcon....ship? after Aleksandr died.  Malthus was actually the one that convinced her to take over the clan.  Not that a killer like her would ever know how to function within society.  She was always a monster, but under his guidance Malthus created a real problem.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #52 on: 17 November 2014, 18:32:44 »
for Falcons, who would buy into the Mongol doctrine?
Maybe it's a little obvious but I am 100% Mongol.
In the long term, there shouldn't be any reason this sort of behavior is sustainable.
By "this behavior" do you mean the Mongol Doctrine or crashing space ships into planets? I admit, this is a rhetorical question -- posed because there is such a bad habit around here of demeaning Malvina and the Mongols.
I would like to see a modified Mongol doctrine.  Or in other words, maintain the trial system when engaging other clans, but not when fighting barbarians.
Trouble is, Fighting other clans is sometimes the same thing as fighting barbarians.
Also, Malvina is not really Jade Falcon.
Denial won't help. Actually, those three words neatly sum up the Mongol movement vis-a-vis Clan history up to 3145.
Malthus created a real problem.
Beckett was one of those pathetic Falcons that want to rule as puppeteers but are actually out of touch. Truth be told, Malvina is riding the crest of history. Beckett's machinations and her own steel will contribute of course but the important thing is she has tapped into a deep truth about CJF's history and current position.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #53 on: 17 November 2014, 21:03:48 »
The Bears have effectively employed Elementals for a Century and have used light striker and harasser Trinaries and Stars to deploy them in hordes for just as long. This horde of warriors is not unbeatable, but with Malvina's outright disregard for any civilized rules of war (which the Clans have a couple) seems her bent on a warpath. Now if we all wanted to keep our skins as Falcon warriors we would go with it, or we'd be in the next Emerald Talon. That being said I would not agree with the almost Annihilation level of her conflicts. The whole barbarian is just another level of questionable activities, because are they being civilized when they orbital bombard and chemically assault planets? I'd support Aleksander Hazen without a doubt, his sister I'd support then find the cluster nearest to the Periphery to command and make myself real unnoticeable.

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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #54 on: 17 November 2014, 21:45:43 »
Speaking as a long-term Falcon fan, I love it. Mongol doctrine is taking the crazy that is inherent in being Jade Falcon and embracing it, turning it up to it's fullest and running with it. And the fact that Malvina has added more worlds to the Falcon OZ in a few years then all prior Khans had since '52 seems to suggest there's something working there.
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« Reply #55 on: 18 November 2014, 03:39:11 »
Though I consider myself a non-Mongol Horse, in my more sociopathic moments I can definitely feel the rush of the Mongol Doctrine. There's something about its high-speed take-no-prisoners brutality that reminds me of the first Clan Invasion without the posturing and politicking. No complicated false-flag operations or deceptive bidding, it's all about momentum and force and fire and crushing their will and ability to strike back and I love it. Sure, it's only a matter of time before the other Clans retaliate and bring it all crashing down (I'm betting on the Bears stabbing Mal in the back, but that might be my "friggin' Bears always win" bias showing), but you'll burn like a supernova until they do.

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« Reply #56 on: 18 November 2014, 04:51:45 »
Since Malvina is leading her Clan far from what her predecessors considered to be Jade Falcon, when is she going to declare a Trial of Possession for the Clan name of 'Wolf'?   >:D
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« Reply #57 on: 18 November 2014, 10:22:42 »
By "this behavior" do you mean the Mongol Doctrine or crashing space ships into planets? I admit, this is a rhetorical question -- posed because there is such a bad habit around here of demeaning Malvina and the Mongols.

Gah!  It was a crippled ship!  People act like she signed the Emerald Talon up for lawn dart duty on a whim.
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Re: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER!
« Reply #58 on: 18 November 2014, 18:16:37 »
The whole barbarian is just another level of questionable activities, because are they being civilized when they orbital bombard and chemically assault planets?
The question is not whether CJF can afford to be civilized -- that question has been definitively settled. The answer is no.
Gah!  It was a crippled ship!  People act like she signed the Emerald Talon up for lawn dart duty on a whim.
I totally agree.
when is she going to declare a Trial of Possession for the Clan name of 'Wolf'?
Wow right for the jugular.  ;D
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« Reply #59 on: 18 November 2014, 20:42:26 »
By "this behavior" do you mean the Mongol Doctrine or crashing space ships into planets? I admit, this is a rhetorical question -- posed because there is such a bad habit around here of demeaning Malvina and the Mongols.

Mostly I meant the headlong sprint, but I do get your meaning.

As much as I'm not a fan of the Falcons (Kael Pershaw excepted, as he is basically the coolest thing in the franchise), I am enjoying this "we're taking the gloves off" stage of the Falcons.  It is interesting, and it does bring in a lot of interesting discussion.
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