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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1020 on: 06 January 2022, 13:07:19 »
Note:  I haven't read the previous 33 pages so if there was 10 pages on this, sorry and I will go read those.

So question.  What's everyone's opinion on how long the Protectorate is going to last?   Will they join the Nova Cats get reborn?  Will they stay with the FWL?  Will they Join Forces with Alaric?   Will they become the Leagues new Andorrans?

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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1021 on: 06 January 2022, 13:12:31 »
I think the Clan Protectorate will last.  I hope the Sea Foxes use their position to slowly take over the FWL.

They have a long way to go towards this, but it can be done.

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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1022 on: 06 January 2022, 13:16:45 »
The League has a good amount of Clan integration.  First you have the Protectorate which has seats/votes in parliament.  Then you have the Sea Foxes involved heavily in the League economy, they got their foot in the door for that based on the Protectorate joining the neo League.  They even executed some semi-sanction policy on their own when they dealt with the Regulans.  Finally, you had Jessika hand them over ComStar's assets as part of a takeover.  IMO they come right after the Ghost Bear Dominion and Raven Alliance as far as IS/Clan integration . . . granted it is a big step between the those two and the League, but it is another chasm between the League & LC/DC let alone the CC/FS.

Honestly, most of it is going to come down to what happens in Empire Alone.
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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1023 on: 06 January 2022, 15:59:33 »
Note:  I haven't read the previous 33 pages so if there was 10 pages on this, sorry and I will go read those.

So question.  What's everyone's opinion on how long the Protectorate is going to last?   Will they join the Nova Cats get reborn?  Will they stay with the FWL?  Will they Join Forces with Alaric?   Will they become the Leagues new Andorrans?

I think Kisho and Co will return from wherever they currently are.  He'll submit himself and his troops to serve the ilClan. 

Alaric will turn that offer to reverse the Abjuration and see the Nova Cats Reborn if Kisho can turn the Protectorate to his cause.

Kisho will do what he did with Kev Rosse and call for a meeting either Kisho will fight for the right to command the Nova Cats or he'll be assassinated leading to his forces merging with the Protectorates

The Nova/ Spirit Cats in the Protectorate in service of the ilClan, I think the Sea Foxes forces in the Protectorate are too involved in the running of the state and instead of remaining could end up rolled into the Reborn Clan

If Kisho is assassinated let's say by the Andruiens or Regulans... then the Nova/Spirit Cats have a new target

I'm not convinced the Nova Cats are born again.  I think the Spirit Cats have made too much of a mark to be lost and perhaps the last heroic days of the Nova Cats were just that

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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1024 on: 06 January 2022, 16:29:43 »
If the FWL joins the new Star League, they will need to allocate part of their forces to the Star League defense forces. Who is better than the Clan Protectorate troops for the Star League founded by the clans?
And Spirit Cats = Nova Сats. Two different ways of development of one society.

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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1025 on: 19 January 2022, 23:05:56 »
Nova Cats! 

Move to the Clan Protectorate!  Forget canon, and take your table top games here.  Plenty of room to grow. 

And with the re-emergence of the Smoke Jaguars, as well as the Falcons being cut down to size, plenty of fair Clan competition now exists.

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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1026 on: 19 January 2022, 23:13:46 »
If the FWL joins the new Star League

*retches*

This would convince me to abandon the faction when even literally breaking up the faction didn't.

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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1027 on: 20 January 2022, 10:06:15 »
My 4th Regulan Hussar company appreciates the Supernova 5 taken as isorla from Marik.  I look forward to your factory releasing a 5b where the Coolant Pods are swapped for a RHS, so the captured SRN can be converted.

Anyone else play with one?
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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1028 on: 03 February 2022, 17:48:18 »
*retches*

This would convince me to abandon the faction when even literally breaking up the faction didn't.

We've been in a Star League twice before, we can stomach a third go around, and look how the first wound up, can see hidden wars springing up again, especially in the league.

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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1029 on: 04 February 2022, 12:05:52 »
Revisiting an old discussion,
I was playing around with TRO Golden Century units recently and made an interesting discovery...although I'll be highly surprised if no one else has noticed it by now. Did you know that if you replace the Qasar's engine with an XXL it's actually at maximized tonnage for the thrust? Sure it now costs something like 80 billion, but hey, if the Diamond Sharks want to showcase the things AND gain some good will with the 'Cats in the Protectorate? Fooling around with a design, may end up posting it in the appropriate forum later once I decide on a name. Considering calling it either the 'Yi' or 'Perry' currently. The 'LeMay' if I want to be extra vindictive in naming it. Can you strafe with plasma cannon?

Bringing the Vision Quest, fully modernized, back to production would be a nice symbolic gesture too, although I'm less clear what I'd do with that. It's a pretty solid design, even without all the traditional weight saving gear, and leaving it that way actually makes it a decent 'budget' choice for Clan gear.
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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1030 on: 04 February 2022, 18:00:01 »
Both of those would be nice to see the Qasar with Laser reflective armour the Vision Quest with Ballistic Reinforced just to annoy the Combine
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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1031 on: 20 May 2022, 15:00:48 »
The "Redemption Right" contains several spoilers to what awaits the Clan Protectorate in the upcoming "Empire Alone":
- Silver Hawks attack Stewart and several other worlds of the Wolf Empire
- Petr Kalasa makes a deal with the Wolves: The Clan Protectorate helps repel these attacks in exchange for access to the Wolf's HPGs.


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« Reply #1032 on: 20 May 2022, 15:37:21 »
- Petr Kalasa makes a deal with the Wolves: The Clan Protectorate helps repel these attacks in exchange for access to the Wolf's HPGs.

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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1033 on: 22 May 2022, 02:24:06 »

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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1034 on: 22 May 2022, 13:08:19 »
this is what happens when you take a viper into your bossom.

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« Reply #1035 on: 22 May 2022, 14:52:43 »
The "Redemption Right" contains several spoilers to what awaits the Clan Protectorate in the upcoming "Empire Alone":
- Silver Hawks attack Stewart and several other worlds of the Wolf Empire
- Petr Kalasa makes a deal with the Wolves: The Clan Protectorate helps repel these attacks in exchange for access to the Wolf's HPGs.


You forgot:

SPOILER FOR THE BIG SURPRISE ENDING OF REDEMPTION RIFT
They'll be getting of Alaric Ward's children which will give them some interesting bargaining chips.

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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1036 on: 24 May 2022, 06:47:31 »
That sounds either extremly shortsighted going against your "liege" or rather crafty helping your liege. Not sure what the final outcome will be

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« Reply #1037 on: 24 May 2022, 06:56:17 »
That sounds either extremly shortsighted going against your "liege" or rather crafty helping your liege. Not sure what the final outcome will be

The Silverhawks, at that time, jumped off before Nikol was onboard for it.  Further, we do not know anything about it besides what Petr told the Star Colonel.
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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1038 on: 24 May 2022, 07:30:06 »
So it could be a ruse between the Silver Hawks and Protectorate to reclaim some worlds on the cheap?

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« Reply #1039 on: 24 May 2022, 09:03:05 »
Or Nikol's behest to reign in a rogue group of units, a sort of League tradition, before she is ready to commit to warfare with the Empire.
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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1040 on: 08 June 2022, 12:02:38 »
Clan Protectorate has a section in the Master Unit List.
  • Any idea where the logo comes from?  And what its composed of, I recognize the Dagger Star
  • Anyone know how to separate out the general IS Clan information?

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« Reply #1041 on: 08 June 2022, 12:06:55 »
Clan Protectorate has a section in the Master Unit List.
  • Any idea where the logo comes from?
  • Anyone know how to separate out the general IS Clan information?

Probably a Empire Alone sneak peak . . .

Not sure separating out IS Clan general would matter- you are talking chassis so generic they could have come from Republic AF sources (aka, Spirit Cat formation), salvage from the battle for Marik, or just Sea Fox sources (which would also be purchases for those other sources).  I mean, what the Protectorate itself would produce would end up on the IS Clan General IMO since they do not produce anything that Sea Foxes do not take a share of to sell onward- like the Supernova 5 as an example.
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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1042 on: 08 June 2022, 12:25:49 »
  • Anyone know how to separate out the general IS Clan information?
You need to make a unit search that contains only Clan Protectorate faction, along with any other filters you deem relevant. Can't do that via faction list.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=&HasBV=false&MinTons=&MaxTons=&MinBV=&MaxBV=&MinIntro=&MaxIntro=&MinCost=&MaxCost=&HasBFAbility=&MinPV=&MaxPV=&BookAuto=&FactionAuto=&Factions=100
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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1043 on: 08 June 2022, 12:49:45 »
It's nice to see the Thunderbird II lives on along with the Void (Nova Cat) BA.

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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1044 on: 08 June 2022, 13:39:10 »
Clan Protectorate has a section in the Master Unit List.
  • Any idea where the logo comes from?  And what its composed of, I recognize the Dagger Star
  • Anyone know how to separate out the general IS Clan information?

1) it appeared in bed, not unlike the horse's head in The Godfather, on a thumbdrive with a note that says "use this one"
2) as empyrus said, you must use the UNITS tab. it gives you some super specific options like "which units with an intro date from the star league era are being used by filtvelt in the dark age?"

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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1045 on: 08 June 2022, 13:58:01 »
Clan Protectorate has a section in the Master Unit List.
  • Any idea where the logo comes from?  And what its composed of, I recognize the Dagger Star
  • Anyone know how to separate out the general IS Clan information?
That may not be the logo of the whole Clan Protectorate. It is the logo of the Protectorate Guardians found on pg 55 of Era Report 3145. The one in the Era Report is black & white and there's no description of it that I saw. My guess is the stripes are alternating primary colors of the Spirit Cats and Sea Foxes to go along with the Purple Eagle.
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« Reply #1046 on: 08 June 2022, 14:29:39 »
I still circle back around to the Protectorate/Cats do not produce any war material (as far as we know) the Sea Foxes, by rights/agreement, do not get a share of as evidenced by the Supernova 5, Firestorm, Ostscout, etc.  Since what the Sea Foxes sell makes up most of IS Clan General, the lists would not be different (yet).
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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1047 on: 08 June 2022, 20:01:12 »
it appeared in bed, not unlike the horse's head in The Godfather, on a thumbdrive with a note that says "use this one"

Thought it might have been more of a fall off the back of the drop ship situation.

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« Reply #1048 on: 08 June 2022, 22:41:51 »
I still circle back around to the Protectorate/Cats do not produce any war material (as far as we know) the Sea Foxes, by rights/agreement, do not get a share of as evidenced by the Supernova 5, Firestorm, Ostscout, etc.  Since what the Sea Foxes sell makes up most of IS Clan General, the lists would not be different (yet).

I feel like there are some "not"s in here that are not accurate, because the Protectorate does have domestic production and the Sea Foxes do get a share in the same way they get a share of everything else by trialing or contracting for it.  The Protectorate military is also made up of significant portions of native FWL residents, the whole polity is less than an IS generation old and trade between FWL member states is not so much reasonable to infer as it is unreasonable to suggest that it isn't commonplace.
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Re: Clan Protectorate
« Reply #1049 on: 08 June 2022, 23:34:31 »
I feel like there are some "not"s in here that are not accurate, because the Protectorate does have domestic production and the Sea Foxes do get a share in the same way they get a share of everything else by trialing or contracting for it.  The Protectorate military is also made up of significant portions of native FWL residents, the whole polity is less than an IS generation old and trade between FWL member states is not so much reasonable to infer as it is unreasonable to suggest that it isn't commonplace.

Okay, so what do they produce the Foxes do not sell?  Everything that appeared in the RecGuides was for sale by the Foxes.  The 'C' convert of the . . . Tempest? was referenced and never given a TRO-style entry nor RS, so it is not in the MUL.  The Inner Sphere production that was on those worlds would not count since they would not be IS Clan General.

The one thing I found on their list that was Clan that would not be on the IS Clan General is not produced there either- the Tiburon, which among the Clan Protectorate forces is still a Fox-only item so far.
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