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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #510 on: 12 March 2021, 15:06:01 »
When using regular BattleMechs for an R-team it might be a good idea to combine them with Spectre Stealth BA, as those have XMEC and are on our MUL. With the XMEC special they can attach themselves to non-omni units and these BA are fast enough to keep up with heavily loaded recovery vehicles and 'Mechs dragging other 'Mechs away.

I thought about the Spectre.  It’s really only a threat if you commit a Spectre Point to anti-mech attacks.  Otherwise, it’s easy to ignore the plink of the Spectre’s David Light Gauss and focus fire on the recovery vehicles.  In fact, the enemy is even encouraged to do so by the Spectre’s stealth armor.  The Spectre no doubt has above average mobility and mechanization.  But unlike other BA options (Golem, Corona, Surat, Rabid, Elemental), it lacks the stopping power or threat to force the enemy away from the recovery vehicles.

Also, since the Ravens have the Sylph (Enhanced) for their speedy, ground BA, I suspect the Spectre is fielded by Outworlds Alliance specs ops, not Raven Elementals, in R-teams or otherwise.

IMO, of course.  Your head canon and play experience may vary.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #511 on: 13 March 2021, 16:10:04 »
These are some great ideas about the R-Teams, guys. Thanks!  :thumbsup:

Given that the Clan Invasion box comes with two Elemental Points, an R-Team is a great unit to put together.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #512 on: 15 March 2021, 18:33:10 »

On a related note, what about this Space R-team?:

Kirghiz C
Shadow Hawk IIC 7
Warhammer IIC 7
Aerie PA(L) (Standard)
Elemental BA (Space)

It is not a true full star with only one fighter, but two of these can fit in a repurposed Leopard DS.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #513 on: 15 March 2021, 18:56:18 »
Confederate C would be better.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #514 on: 15 March 2021, 20:55:55 »
On a related note, what about this Space R-team?:

Kirghiz C

Very capable defensively but very limited cargo space.

The NL-42 Battle Taxi appears on the Periphery General list.  It has 50 tons of space minus the weight of a BA point.  Send two in a recovery vehicle or aerospace point to haul 100 tons of salvage. 

The Mark VIIC Landing Craft appears on the Raven MUL.  Has shorter-ranged defenses but more space at 67 tons.  But not really for boarding operations.  Maybe only for recovering friendly salvage.

The Ravens also have the NL-45 Gunboat, but it has no cargo space beyond its Elemental Point.  There are other small craft that could substitute as recovery vehicles like the K-1C Dropshuttle but they are less capable in cargo and defenses than the NL-42 and Mark VIIC.

The other obvious choice for an aerospace recovery vehicle would be a special purpose dropship like the Octopus or Elephant.  They could house multiple R-Teams.  The Octopus can carry four small craft, 3000 tons of cargo, and a couple hundred crew.  Unfortunately, the Octopus is on the Inner Sphere General MUL, but nowhere else.  Hard to believe the Ravens wouldn’t have the equivalent for pushing their warships in and out of dock.  The Elephant is extinct.

Shadow Hawk IIC 7
Warhammer IIC 7

Although R-teams call for two mechs, their lifting capability serves little purpose in the weightlessness of space.  BA thrusters should be able to maneuver salvage in microgravity (at least in real life), although I don’t know what the aerospace rules say, if anything.  And mechs (and BA) are very poor combatants in space, even these space variants.   I’d use aerospace fighters, instead.  Tempting to use the Kirghiz Cs to carry the BA, but that’s like putting Dire Wolves on salvage duty.  The good, all around secondline fighter is the Ammon, but the Ravens don’t have access, even through a General MUL listing.  So I suppose I’d use the Tyre (fluffed as escorts) or the Issus (native Raven design).

Aerie PA(L) (Standard)
Elemental BA (Space)

There’s an Aerie (Salvage) variant with a salvage arm, which is probably more useful for salvage work than the cutting torch on the Elemental (Space) or the original Aerie, both of which are really marine boarding designs and will do little to protect the operation from attacks in space.  But maybe I’d keep Elemental (Space) Points for boarding and clearing surviving crew on crippled yet unfriendly vessels.

So here’s my take:

Space R-Team (Boarding)
Tyre
Tyre
Elemental (Space) Point
Elemental (Space) Point
NL-42 Battle Taxi
NL-42 Battle Taxi

Space R-Team (Salvage)
Issus
Issus
Aerie (Salvage) Point
Aerie (Salvage) Point
Mark VIIC Landing Craft
Mark VIIC Landing Craft

Maybe two such teams operating out of a Raven “Octopus”, maybe with a Carrier to bring the fighters on long-range ops.  Or just modify the Raven “Octopus” to also bring the fighters and forgo the Carrier.

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« Last Edit: 15 March 2021, 20:57:26 by Natasha Kerensky »
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #515 on: 15 March 2021, 23:52:57 »
What about using an Intruder Upgrade, a Point of Aero and the 300 tons of it's cargo for two mechbays, and use the Infantry with the Raven Space Marine Points, that's like 75 troopers?

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #516 on: 16 March 2021, 00:05:43 »
What about just using two fighters and having the spare cubicles for the equipment your team is ostensibly trying to recover?
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #517 on: 16 March 2021, 12:37:09 »

In my opinion R-teams do need 'Mechs to count as R-teams, and if fighters aren't used to help transport the BA then just better to leave them out.


Space R-Team (Boarding)
Warhammer IIC 7
Warhammer IIC 7
Roc Point
Elemental (Space) Point
Elemental (Space) Point

Space R-Team (Salvage)
Shadow Hawk IIC 7
Shadow Hawk IIC 7
Roc Point
Aerie (Salvage) Point
Aerie (Salvage) Point


And leaving the cargo carrying to the dropship.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #518 on: 20 March 2021, 21:47:58 »
An idea for an ilClan era R-Team somewhat inspired by the White Raven entry that I came up with:
White Raven
White Raven 2
Roc point
Gorgon 5 point
Aerie PA(L) (salvage) point with a Savior recovery vehicle.

The Gorgons with their MCSs can ride on the White Ravens, and while the White Ravens may lack some stopping power TCs and pulse lasers mean they can surgically remove parts of Mechs or take down Mechs without damaging vital components and have hands to help carry stuff. The Ravens could likely purchase the Savior from the FedSuns before their current spat, and it has 3 tons of infantry capacity, plus it can haul a Mech or pieces thereof.

Another idea is:
White Raven
Carrion Crow
Roc point
Enhanced Sylph point
Aerie PA(L) (salvage) point with a Savior or standard Battlemech recovery vehicle.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #519 on: 21 April 2021, 00:34:08 »
A very quiet Unkindness here...

I was thinking about the WarShip situation again. Obviously, for narrative reasons there can't be dominant WarShip fleets (it's all about the 'Mechs!), but the Ravens still present a problem. Sure, the fleet can lose 70% of its ships to reduce its number and we also saw the narrative tools of 'not enough pilots' and 'not enough shipyards' to ensure that the Ravens could not capitalize on their main advantage. Pocket WarShips also helped to balance the scales.

Ultimately, this has reduced the Ravens' main 'quirk' of WarShips. A little sad, but understandable, I suppose. But narratively, perhaps the purpose for the Raven fleet is to ensure their survival against their powerful neighbours. Going forward, the writers can cite the fleet as a defensive measure that maintains the Alliance's viability long-term.

As long as the fleet doesn't become subject to the ilClan's whims. Blech. Can anyone think of anything else the fleet might be permitted to do, story-wise?

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #520 on: 21 April 2021, 00:39:21 »
Not really knowledgeable on the Ravens but I have to ask: is their fleet mothballed or can they just use capital weapons as static emplacements?
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #521 on: 21 April 2021, 06:26:23 »
You could use capital weapons from a space station if you want. I think most of the Ravens Fleet is mothballed since hardly anyone else could even contest the few they have active. I think TPTB are expanding the proto force with Mechs to give the Ravens some reason to exist in this setting as it is

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #522 on: 21 April 2021, 09:24:48 »
You could use capital weapons from a space station if you want. I think most of the Ravens Fleet is mothballed since hardly anyone else could even contest the few they have active. I think TPTB are expanding the proto force with Mechs to give the Ravens some reason to exist in this setting as it is

Well, it's clear that the Ravens will never increase their holdings by more than a few planets, so conquering won't be their purpose.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #523 on: 21 April 2021, 09:28:18 »
Call the navy the ultimate defence. Difficult to invade if all your dropships get burned up before even managing to land their precious mechs. Better to just head to easier to invade pastures.
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #524 on: 21 April 2021, 17:13:21 »
Pocket Warships a plenty, aerospace designs maximized with aero heavy forces, ProtoMech improvements to capitalize on the tech, and Warships that remain to threaten the other Warships that remain: the Capellans with their Feng Huang, the Horses who may or may not be angry, and potentially any home Clans/ WoB.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #525 on: 24 April 2021, 00:16:51 »
Call the navy the ultimate defence. Difficult to invade if all your dropships get burned up before even managing to land their precious mechs. Better to just head to easier to invade pastures.

Not to mention that the Alliance has more pastures than any real valued targets. Nothing to see here, move along. Except Farmer Yang's sweet pickle relish. Blue ribbon prize at the Alpheratz Country Fair!

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #526 on: 05 May 2021, 15:36:22 »
Lots of locally sourced protein for the troops.  Even a  great Space Armada jumps on its stomach.   

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #527 on: 05 May 2021, 16:12:10 »
Maybe the Clan can raise the needed funds to enlarge the touman by loading up our ships with our agricultural goods and sell them in the neighboring systems:
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #528 on: 05 May 2021, 18:36:59 »
Raven Alliance Bake Sale

With a busy year ahead for our young warriors, the Khans and Galaxy Commanders have been busy baking delicious baked goods for sale. Sterling McKenna made some Nanaimo bars! All proceeds go towards new OmniMechs, as well as new soccer balls for the girls' team.

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #529 on: 05 May 2021, 20:36:36 »
I could go for a batch of Nanaimo bars!  Somebody invite the Ravens to Terra!  (I had to look them up, those look really good!)

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #530 on: 05 May 2021, 21:00:48 »
I could go for a batch of Nanaimo bars!  Somebody invite the Ravens to Terra!  (I had to look them up, those look really good!)

They are indeed! Nanaimo bars and buttertarts!
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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #531 on: 05 May 2021, 21:32:42 »
That's what Ravens mean when you say "we have cookies".

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #532 on: Today at 00:26:18 »
That's what Ravens mean when you say "we have cookies".

 ;D

We have white chocolate chip macadamia, we have oatmeal, we have Galedon raisin... What? You don't like raisin?

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Re: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom
« Reply #533 on: Today at 00:32:41 »
I prefer White Choco-Chip'd Macadamia Oatmeal Raisin'd cookies if you please!

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« Reply #534 on: Today at 00:37:00 »
Me, too.
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