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Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« on: 10 March 2021, 16:21:15 »
Hi!

Is there any reference to the Clans using the Goliath (or Scorpion)?  I know there's some totem quads (Thunder Stallion & Fire Scorpion), and the Goliath C popped up in the Dark Age - but what about the original quads?

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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #1 on: 10 March 2021, 18:49:10 »
The Goliath was a unit that was used by House militaries and not the SLDF, so the chances of any leaving the Inner Sphere during the exodus would have been very slim.

By the time the Clans returned the Goliath was rather rare, so the chances of the Clans salvaging any would also be pretty low.

Clan Wolf is still the leading contender (in terms of Clans) for fielding the classically-styled design by the Dark Age, but only time will tell on that front.
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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #2 on: 11 March 2021, 00:41:54 »
The Goliath was a unit that was used by House militaries and not the SLDF, so the chances of any leaving the Inner Sphere during the exodus would have been very slim.

The SLDF towards the and of the Amaris War had plenty of volunteers from the Houses, and I think many of those brought their equipment with them. While I doubt Goliaths were anything remotely resembling common among the SLE's forces, I would not be surprised aft all to learn that a handful if them went along. In fact, you've given me some inspiration for the core of a small Pentagon Power force...

[edit] For further confirmation, I just checked and the Goliath and Scorpion both appear in Operation Klondike, in the Pentagon Powers RATs. I don't know if they ever served among the Clans, but we do know both machines made it to Clan space, at least.
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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #3 on: 11 March 2021, 14:56:39 »
The SLDF towards the and of the Amaris War had plenty of volunteers from the Houses, and I think many of those brought their equipment with them. While I doubt Goliaths were anything remotely resembling common among the SLE's forces, I would not be surprised aft all to learn that a handful if them went along. In fact, you've given me some inspiration for the core of a small Pentagon Power force...

[edit] For further confirmation, I just checked and the Goliath and Scorpion both appear in Operation Klondike, in the Pentagon Powers RATs. I don't know if they ever served among the Clans, but we do know both machines made it to Clan space, at least.

Though you have to remember that the Volunteer corps at the beginning was 36 regiments strong. At the end it was down to 1 battalion. I would wager that some SLDF mechwarriors had indeed Scorpions or Goliath's or even the odd Xanthos. After all at the end of the Amaris Civil war the SLDF was buying mostly cheap / unpopular Mechs to fill out the holes in their ranks. And at least one Clan (the Hellions) build their own quad Mech (the Snow Fox) before other Clans thought about it (this Mech predates Omnimechs)

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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #4 on: 11 March 2021, 17:28:01 »
At the end it was down to 1 battalion.

What’s the reference for this?  Thx.
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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #5 on: 11 March 2021, 20:09:05 »
It's your game. If you want a Clan Goliath go for it!
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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #6 on: 12 March 2021, 08:34:01 »
What’s the reference for this?  Thx.

In the Historical: Battle for Terra Part 2. I have to look for the specific page (I think it was at the landing on Terra segment) but this stood out. Though that was only the Volunteer corps. Those were formed when more and more IS soldiers / citizens joined the SLDF. The first recruits (most likely those with combat raining) were rolled into the understrength divisons but with more and more joining Kerensky created this special units. Kinda like Victor created his foreign legion when he kicked of the FedCom Civil war 

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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #7 on: 12 March 2021, 08:57:40 »
The Scorpion Empires Rhino might have been a basis for the Goliath.  Same with the Tolva and the Scorpion. 

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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #8 on: 13 March 2021, 11:00:33 »
The Scorpion Empires Rhino might have been a basis for the Goliath.  Same with the Tolva and the Scorpion.

What are these even from?  There's no listing of a Rhino or Tolva battlemech in the MUL.
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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #9 on: 13 March 2021, 11:28:08 »
It appears in my sweep of missing sources I overlooked Hanseatic Crusade

The tolva is the standard upgrade from the arana industrialmech. The rhino is in there too along with a few others but it escapes me at the moment if it was based on anything

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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #10 on: 13 March 2021, 13:18:29 »
There's no clear indication of what if anything it might be descended from, especially since we have no art for it.
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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #11 on: 13 March 2021, 13:43:02 »
Just a small correction to my first mention of the surviving Volunteer Corps in the liberation of Terra. Found the note on page 93 of the 2nd book: during the fighting in Australasia 8 battalions of volunteers supported the SLDF forces. Those were the remnants of five full brigades. So yeah the Volunteer Corps was smashed into bloody pieces though I thought even less survived.

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« Reply #12 on: 13 March 2021, 13:46:14 »
To be fair, every part of the SLDF was smashed to bloody pieces...
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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #13 on: 13 March 2021, 14:01:40 »
What are these even from?  There's no listing of a Rhino or Tolva battlemech in the MUL.

There is no current picture of the Rhino however the silhouette picture they use is the same as Technical Readout 3039 of the Goliath.  Different weight class (60 vs 80) it seems more built for strength over speed (only 6:9).

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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #14 on: 13 March 2021, 14:14:43 »
Just a small correction to my first mention of the surviving Volunteer Corps in the liberation of Terra. Found the note on page 93 of the 2nd book: during the fighting in Australasia 8 battalions of volunteers supported the SLDF forces. Those were the remnants of five full brigades. So yeah the Volunteer Corps was smashed into bloody pieces though I thought even less survived.

Thanks, I thought more of the Volunteer Regiments survived.  Some more needed to in order to found the Circinus Federation.
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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #15 on: 13 March 2021, 15:22:22 »
There is no current picture of the Rhino however the silhouette picture they use is the same as Technical Readout 3039 of the Goliath.  Different weight class (60 vs 80) it seems more built for strength over speed (only 6:9).

Silhouettes are chosen for their close enough factor when they don’t want to spend for a full commission

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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #16 on: 13 March 2021, 15:24:10 »
To be fair, every part of the SLDF was smashed to bloody pieces...

Can't argue with that. 30% were left of the mightiest army in BT history. Though even that was still more then what the Houses had at that point

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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #17 on: 16 March 2021, 07:18:00 »
It's your game. If you want a Clan Goliath go for it!

It's more of a fluff question - did they have any practical experience with quads before the totem quads or did they just find the blueprints and give it a go?

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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #18 on: 16 March 2021, 09:58:29 »
Even without Goliaths and Scorpions, they had plenty of experience with quad mechs, given the extremely large numbers of Daedalus WorkMechs in service out there. Harvester Ants are also probably pretty common in Clan space.
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Re: Do the Clans use the Goliath?
« Reply #20 on: 18 March 2021, 12:08:59 »
The SLDF Rhino was an armored LRM carrier of 80 tons.

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« Reply #21 on: 18 March 2021, 12:34:45 »
The SLDF Rhino was an armored LRM carrier of 80 tons.

Yes, but in this thread we're talking about the 50-ton quad mech built by the Scorpion Empire, found in Hanseatic Crusade.
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