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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #1380 on: 21 November 2020, 16:24:16 »
it is capital R, it is mixed tech
and looks to be so only because it has a Bloodhound AP
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« Reply #1381 on: 21 November 2020, 17:35:58 »
it is capital R, it is mixed tech
and looks to be so only because it has a Bloodhound AP

That one also has a regular medium laser. Which bother the hell out of me.

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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #1382 on: 22 November 2020, 01:11:24 »
That one also has a regular medium laser. Which bother the hell out of me.

Hmm, are you sure about that? (at work right now, can't check myself)...but I swear everything other than the Bloodhound said Clan-tech
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« Reply #1383 on: 22 November 2020, 01:36:47 »
Hmm, are you sure about that? (at work right now, can't check myself)...but I swear everything other than the Bloodhound said Clan-tech

Got the Viper mixed up with the Fire Moth. The Viper R is all clan but the Probe. Fire Moth is the one with a IS medium and the C3.

The Viper R seems good, but an odd choice for the Narc and light tag. I’d rather have the K for any real scouting.

The Fire Moth R just seems all over the place and it doesn’t make sense. I am interested to see where it ends up in the MUL, but I would be very disappointed to see the Ghost Bears trying to prop up the Republic, or even worse making (even more) god awful decisions about how to produce mechs.

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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #1384 on: 22 November 2020, 08:09:42 »
The Viper R suffered from the tech limitations of the Rec Guides.

The Firemoth R is IS general.

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« Reply #1385 on: 23 November 2020, 16:52:28 »
The Viper R suffered from the tech limitations of the Rec Guides.

The Firemoth R is IS general.

I suppose the fire moth makes sense. Easy enough to salvage cause it has so little armor.


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« Reply #1386 on: 28 November 2020, 22:24:28 »
So looking to eventually include another Vehicle Star in my Clusters (and eventual Galaxy: I know I’m going to build one it’s only going to be a matter of time) and now I’m looking at the big boys.

Athena, Oro, Mars, and Huey probably a pair of each.

Any other suggestions I’m missing?

For reference my first Vehicle Star is Four Epona’s, Two Tyr’s, Two Svantovit’s, and Two SM1’s. They carry around my 25x Undine (Upgraded).

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« Reply #1387 on: 28 November 2020, 22:35:04 »
Axel II

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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #1388 on: 28 November 2020, 23:15:21 »
Axel II

Seconding the Axel IIC.  Or the Axel IIC (XL), which is nearly identical but can keep up with Clan heavy cav.
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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #1389 on: 29 November 2020, 01:11:39 »
So looking to eventually include another Vehicle Star in my Clusters (and eventual Galaxy: I know I’m going to build one it’s only going to be a matter of time) and now I’m looking at the big boys.

Athena, Oro, Mars, and Huey probably a pair of each.

Any other suggestions I’m missing?

For reference my first Vehicle Star is Four Epona’s, Two Tyr’s, Two Svantovit’s, and Two SM1’s. They carry around my 25x Undine (Upgraded).
When do you want to run it and what do you want to do with it?

I was about to describe the Mars in LRM Carrier terms but I am not sure how fluent in tank you are. Are you after a fire support Star or a battle Star?

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« Reply #1390 on: 29 November 2020, 01:57:53 »
When do you want to run it and what do you want to do with it?

I was about to describe the Mars in LRM Carrier terms but I am not sure how fluent in tank you are. Are you after a fire support Star or a battle Star?

Probably be an Assault/Fire Support Star. I’ve only run my Epona’s and BA taxi’s before, but this Star would be probably supporting Assault Mechs and ‘maybe’ Assault BA, or some sort of combined arms Trinary even.

As far as era.... my group really doesn’t play by era so no real restrictions.

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« Reply #1391 on: 29 November 2020, 03:32:54 »
Okay. First rule of tanks. Tanks make bad MBTs if you have Mechs available.

So start with that. Your tanks will be providing fire support and flanking duties while your Mechs go up the centre.

Make a firm decision about Hueys. Go big or go home. Either take 4 minimum or take none. That is a function of how artillery works. You need numbers because of their spray and play nature.

Now I am not a big fan of short ranged tanks. Tanks get immobilised, tanks out of range get ignored. That includes your flankers. Something like an Ares is useful planking away on the flank.

Conveniently CGB's Rasalhague generation of tanks are all solid at long range. Get stationary in cover 14 hexes out before you get immobilised and bring down the rain. If you don't have your Mechs you may need a few sacrificial lambs like Ishtars to draw fire while your more capable Axels bring the pain. Don't be afraid to just use LRMs and fire indirectly. You don't want to be hit. And sounds like you will have Infantry to be spotters.

Tank games are a lot more about sieging up, positioning, and managing losses. A stomping wall of steel doesn't work. You will have to try a few MegaMek games and get used to the different pacing. But if you want to keep up with the Mechs I would suggest Axels over Athenas. Better armor and Athenas are fire magnets. Carnivors and Morrigus are good in this role too. Oros are useful as escorts but need to be shielded.  Hachimans are very solid as MBTs and fire support. Kus are good too, but wheeled. Ishtars are high firepower hand grenades you roll into an enemy to break them up.

Save your Mars for city fights.

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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #1392 on: 29 November 2020, 12:33:04 »
Mars XL is great, but a Mars HAG better... also I second the usage of 4 Huey, even go as far as the AAA model!  Don't forget the Demo C, better than an Oro in my book. Sure no pulse laser, but have you ever got a sneeze from one before? I've done something like that before...  >:D

Suggest 4 Huey AAA, 4 Demo C and twin Ares as support.  If you want,  try a Binary unit. Even outfit it with some Fast Recon  to make the Huey really shine! Say 3 Points worth, followed  by something big and scary in BA for the close support kindness?

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« Reply #1393 on: 29 November 2020, 16:33:57 »
Mars XL is great, but a Mars HAG better... also I second the usage of 4 Huey, even go as far as the AAA model!  Don't forget the Demo C, better than an Oro in my book. Sure no pulse laser, but have you ever got a sneeze from one before? I've done something like that before...  >:D

Suggest 4 Huey AAA, 4 Demo C and twin Ares as support.  If you want,  try a Binary unit. Even outfit it with some Fast Recon  to make the Huey really shine! Say 3 Points worth, followed  by something big and scary in BA for the close support kindness?

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That seems like a terribly slow and short unit. IMO there is a good reason all the new clan vehicles have been faster or longer ranged. They need at least keep up with the back half of the battle line.

Ghost Bears have their own artillery stars, I would run 6 Huey, 2 SM2 artillery tanks (stolen from the useless nova cats), or Thor’s if you like, and two pike C. If you want to go arty go big. We are Ghost Bears. If you don’t have room for your own artillery star, make something a command nova and slap on a star of arty there.

Demolishers are great if you know you can use hidden units, or have a short map. Otherwise they’ll get eaten up in anything resembling line combat. I’d never choose an Ares with the Axel IIC around, more and more accurate firepower, more armor, and an ECM. Unless you needed to for BV and/or had to jam it into a light vehicle bay on a dropper.

My standard slow battle tracked combat unit is usually 4 Axel IIC (I usually use regular here), 2 Morrigu (you can also use Kokou XL here), 2 Oro, 2 Carnivore. The slowest unit is the Morrigu or the Kokou, but they can afford to get to one good spot early and snipe, although the Kokou will have more trouble than the Morrigu here. The rest can move up slowly as needed, or atleast reposition to use their mostly long range guns to wipe stuff out and clean up after mechs.

For a faster tracked star I use 4 Axel IIC (the XL), 2 Joust, 2 Mithras, 2 Enyo Sholef.
Use the jihad variant of the Mithras to be annoying, move around as needed to blast stuff, could be moved with most mechs as needed but has range to stay back also. Sholef can deal with most infantry all the AP Gauss and light MGs couldn’t.

I think I remember reading that clans only keep the same movement type within their vee stars, although I could totally be making that up. It makes sense to me that way they don’t have to leave half the star out when it comes to going through that forest.



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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #1394 on: 29 November 2020, 16:35:44 »
What they said but I will testify that hueys and carnivores are a good combo. You get enough hags for some decent anti air.
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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #1395 on: 29 November 2020, 16:54:20 »
Also it’s worth noting that from Dark Age forward we no longer have bad vehicle crews either. I know it’s specifically mentioned in one of the 3145 books, not sure when it starts to apply. 

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« Reply #1396 on: 29 November 2020, 17:24:37 »
Thanks everyone for all the advice: I’ll look into everything said and at least put a plan together for down the road.

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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #1397 on: 30 November 2020, 19:35:51 »
2/3 speed isn't slow.

Sure it takes two turns to go full speed, but at least I can keep up the constant +1 to be targeted, and +2 for Flanking doesn't mean nothing to an Artillery unit. After all it's still -2 to-hit against the ground...

Area saturation using massed Standard and Cluster Ammo, yeah Cluster! Still hurts against non-Infantry! ( TO, pg.354 ) Also FASCAM rounds thrown in with Smoke to obscure.

Now tell me why being slow moving and firing Eight Arrow a turn is bad again? The Demo C run cover like quarterbacks defending a play while I'd like to confirm the Ares Plasma, as the flanker unit. No minimums for 30 LRMs, a mean heat streak, really the damage is negligent, but overheating along with what this Star can produce? Yes please!

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« Reply #1398 on: 01 December 2020, 02:23:09 »
2/3 speed isn't slow.

Sure it takes two turns to go full speed, but at least I can keep up the constant +1 to be targeted, and +2 for Flanking doesn't mean nothing to an Artillery unit. After all it's still -2 to-hit against the ground...

Area saturation using massed Standard and Cluster Ammo, yeah Cluster! Still hurts against non-Infantry! ( TO, pg.354 ) Also FASCAM rounds thrown in with Smoke to obscure.

Now tell me why being slow moving and firing Eight Arrow a turn is bad again? The Demo C run cover like quarterbacks defending a play while I'd like to confirm the Ares Plasma, as the flanker unit. No minimums for 30 LRMs, a mean heat streak, really the damage is negligent, but overheating along with what this Star can produce? Yes please!

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I wasn’t referring to the Huey, as it’s stuck at 2/3 no matter the variant. It just doesn’t make sense logistically to combine an extra couple LBX20 with your already ridiculous cluster power, and range of the HAG20s. You can trade a short range threat for another 4 arrow tubes and 4 HAGs (per point), which can threaten from 8 and 1.5 map sheets away. And if you play them off board, IMO it just seems silly to split a star apart to have two super slow, short range, dangerous vehicles that only take one or two motive hits to stop and then be easy enough to avoid (because they are so slow).

The Ares plasma might be a good call, I forgot about those. Nice to give you some BA stoppers. I’d just use a point, maybe two of them (or the Enyo Sholef) to cover for the arty. I wouldn’t range them out if arty was on the board. Off board they can provide some actual utility, and use their better speeds to do whatever they need to, or at least get into a decent position before stopping moving completely.

Basically it was the random combo of poor vees with the arty that bothered me. Just go full “Tango Support Star” or “Ghost Bear Command Nova” and slap as much arty/AA as you can together. (Like I said earlier I like the 6 Huey, 2 SM2/Thor, and 2 Pikes which are nominally there for extra AA duty which seems supportive enough, although I’m sure you can wiggle in your Ares plasma)


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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #1399 on: 01 December 2020, 13:59:27 »
Thor C are, but...

Have you tried the Klopfer? ( It's german for Thumper. ) As in TAV-1... ( ICE )

It's cheaper than a Thor C in BV...

But, you can't sneeze at 2 ER Medium (clan ), even though 4 MG ( IS ) can still help.

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« Reply #1400 on: 01 December 2020, 14:35:59 »
Thor C are, but...

Have you tried the Klopfer? ( It's german for Thumper. ) As in TAV-1... ( ICE )

It's cheaper than a Thor C in BV...

But, you can't sneeze at 2 ER Medium (clan ), even though 4 MG ( IS ) can still help.

TT

I like keeping everything clan as much as possible, although I’d imagine during the Jihad they would be using whatever they could, and the old FFR would have enough thumpers around the Dominion wouldn’t complain about taking them. But I much prefer the Nova Cat SM2 to keep everything tracked (but the range of the thumper could be a factor).

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« Reply #1401 on: 05 December 2020, 20:23:10 »
So with all the new RecGuides we have confirmation that the Bears are building all 4 of their favoured Mechs: Fire Moths, Vipers, Mad Dogs and Executioners...

We have some nice heavy Omnis to go with the Mad Dog like the Mad Dog 2 and 3, and the Karhu...

What would you like to see in the RecGuides to supplement our current Omni lineup?

A new Assault to replace the Kingfisher and Warhawk? Would you rather just see us producing one or both of those?
Maybe a new medium or light? (Although with the Ravens still pumping out Stormcrows, we could probably just get a bunch of those)
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« Reply #1402 on: 05 December 2020, 20:50:05 »
So with all the new RecGuides we have confirmation that the Bears are building all 4 of their favoured Mechs: Fire Moths, Vipers, Mad Dogs and Executioners...

We have some nice heavy Omnis to go with the Mad Dog like the Mad Dog 2 and 3, and the Karhu...

What would you like to see in the RecGuides to supplement our current Omni lineup?

A new Assault to replace the Kingfisher and Warhawk? Would you rather just see us producing one or both of those?
Maybe a new medium or light? (Although with the Ravens still pumping out Stormcrows, we could probably just get a bunch of those)

I’d like to see a trooper medium so we aren’t stuck with importing Storm Crows from the Ravens. And allows us to have something to compliment the Ursus. (Although now they I think about it the Hammerhead more or less gives us that, albeit imported).

I want us to keep the Kingfisher in production, I wouldn’t mind getting rid of the Warhawk, it doesn’t particularly impress me.

We don’t need too much I think. Between all our different Ursus variants, imported storm crows and the hammerheads we have trooper mediums covered.
Viper and the Shadow Cat III cover the scouting/harassing mediums. And the reintroduced fire moth can add there as well, and the Beowulf IIC, Locust IIC and few other standards round out a solid if overly quick light and medium corps.

We have most types of heavies covered, although all domestic production lean towards heavy cav designs (Karhu, Arcas, Kuma, Vulture III) and the majority of imports are this way too (all but the Nova Cat, and who knows how long that will last on the MUL depending on who takes over production, and the Loki Mk II).

Assaults are similar, almost all 4/6 aside from a variant of the Marauder IIC and whatever Highlander IICs we’ve converted over to the 3. And all our Omnis are light on pod space.

 I would really like to see an assault that has some real pod space and a more standard 5/8 trooper medium

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« Reply #1403 on: 06 December 2020, 00:56:06 »
Are we still building Mad Dogs?

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« Reply #1404 on: 06 December 2020, 01:15:20 »
Are we still building Mad Dogs?

We have the III, and I’d imagine that we’ll get the regular back in production as well. Although with the III being an out and out better mech that fills the exact same role I’d rather it go to someone else.

Sarna lists the OG being built on Alshain by Bergan, and the III comes from Alshain Weapons on its namesake. Sarna lists the info coming from Objectives:The Clans and TRO:3145 respectively.

So hopefully they repurpose the older Bergan line.

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« Reply #1405 on: 06 December 2020, 01:29:53 »
What would you like to see in the RecGuides to supplement our current Omni lineup?

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« Reply #1406 on: 06 December 2020, 01:40:05 »
even if we no longer build the original, the Mad Dog II is essentially an identical Mech according to Herb
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« Reply #1407 on: 06 December 2020, 01:58:30 »
The III is better than the I or II in every way. Just saying...

We need a trooper light. We need a trooper medium. We need a big heavy to fill the gap between the Karhu and Executioner.

I have trouble seeing a need for a second assault. While it would be nice I would argue an Executioner II is needed first. Let's just say I can get a 4/6(8) Mech with 290 armor and 60 points at 20 hexes. If I can convince the bosses to back that, why do you need a Kingfisher?

We don't need more conventional Mechs. We have them coming out of our ears.
Our core problem is that 3 of our 5 OmniMechs date back to the highly problematic TRO3050 and are only being kept viable through heavily min-maxed variants every NTNU*.


*Note the Executioner finally has a consistent 50 points at 20 hexes variant bringing it in line with Clan assault standards.
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« Reply #1408 on: 06 December 2020, 02:07:27 »
The III is better than the I or II in every way. Just saying...

We need a trooper light. We need a trooper medium. We need a big heavy to fill the gap between the Karhu and Executioner.

I have trouble seeing a need for a second assault. While it would be nice I would argue an Executioner II is needed first. Let's just say I can get a 4/6(8) Mech with 290 armor and 60 points at 20 hexes. If I can convince the bosses to back that, why do you need a Kingfisher?

We don't need more conventional Mechs. We have them coming out of our ears.
Our core problem is that 3 of our 5 OmniMechs date back to the highly problematic TRO3050 and are only being kept viable through heavily min-maxed variants every NTNU.

A series of troopers and pocket assault would be nice. And a modern take on the Executioner would be nice. Even if it’s just pulling the fixed JJ and redistributing the armor. I’d like to keep the kingfisher just for standard engine and to keep the X around.

As long as we completely give up on our massive section of hammered dog poo mixed tech designs I won’t complain too much.

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Re: The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)
« Reply #1409 on: 06 December 2020, 02:54:51 »
We need to bring back the imp! Tseng variant!! Or give us the exe II.
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