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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #30 on: 29 June 2021, 20:01:54 »
I blame the readers.  :P
People like to hear the continuing stories of their favourite super friends. So they tend to be placed in stasis even as the timeline moves on.

Also more names get confusing. The Clans are the worst. Same surname for multiple characters with replacements every few years. They are nearly as bad as Romans*. How often do we know a founding Khan but not Sakhalin? But the same applies to the Inner Sphere. Not many players could handle a realistic turnover of names.



*Father's name gets given to the first born male for hundreds of years. Girls are the same but then they can have the same name in the same family identified  as X1, X2, X3 etc. Then there are adoptions and name changes mid life. Argh.

Eh, we should be getting more turn over in the Clans, we got one really between the Invasion and 55/58 for minor characters but . . . FREX, Diane Anu should not still be the Star Colonel of a slightly better than average cluster from '49 and '67.  Especially with the losses the Falcons took from Tukayyid, Refusal War, Coventry, Viper War, and Incursion- up or out.
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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #31 on: 29 June 2021, 20:51:47 »
You're not thinking like a feudal lord.  Alaric can be a ilKhan, and a Star Lord, and his duties and responsibilities differ with each title.
As an ilKhan, Alaric's marriage is meaningless.
As Star Lord, Alaric's marriage has meaning.

Makes a lot of sense.

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #32 on: 29 June 2021, 21:23:31 »
Alaric is no stranger to love (unlike many Clanners) and knows how that impacts those they would conquer. 

So would you say he... knows the rules?

(and so did she?)

Would you say he'd be thinking of a... full commitment from any such marriage?

I mean, wife of the first lord of the Star League, you wouldn't get that from any other guy.

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #33 on: 29 June 2021, 21:34:24 »
I think Alaric subscribes to the Meatloaf style of StarLord.
He will do anything for a Reformed Star League, but he won’t do that.

I think Alaric, much like Malvina, and most who date in middle school/high school, will decide to give up on love after losing the first time. Alaric’s clanness works against him here, he has no experience with family/love other than his only experience with (oh she’s been mentioned before but I don’t know). Plus it’s very unclan like to hold an ilClanship (probably; it’s the first time) through political alliances. And when there will no doubt be scrutiny from the other Clans, mainly the HH for now, in the way that the wolves won the trial for terra.

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #34 on: 30 June 2021, 05:28:19 »
Do you think Katherine taught Alaric about the ways of the IS? During Victor's funeral she brought him with her and it seemed as if she had a hand in his upbringing but I could not find much about that. so maybe he has a view for a "political marriage".

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #35 on: 30 June 2021, 07:15:47 »
I don't think that Katherine does, for I even doubt that she can understand the word love, whatever it is familial or romantic. At least for that freak.

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #36 on: 30 June 2021, 12:47:16 »
Oh bravo!  Glad to know someone else realizes he's got more than one song.  ;D

So would you say he... knows the rules?

(and so did she?)

Would you say he'd be thinking of a... full commitment from any such marriage?

I mean, wife of the first lord of the Star League, you wouldn't get that from any other guy.

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #37 on: 30 June 2021, 13:01:31 »
He needs to find a good Winson girl and settle down.

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #38 on: 30 June 2021, 13:10:20 »
Yep, just as Nicholas does.

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« Reply #39 on: 30 June 2021, 14:06:32 »
He needs to find a good Winson girl and settle down.

I read that as Wisconsin girl

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #40 on: 30 June 2021, 14:58:23 »
Yep, just as Nicholas does.
Well, depending who you talk to there are other reasons why a star lord would want to get involved with that bloodline.  :-X

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #41 on: 01 July 2021, 00:28:18 »
Well, depending who you talk to there are other reasons why a star lord would want to get involved with that bloodline.  :-X

Yeah... for the Jennifer's house, although we don't know 'Jennifer' was her actual given name.

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #42 on: 01 July 2021, 03:28:42 »
Yeah... for the Jennifer's house, although we don't know 'Jennifer' was her actual given name.
Jennifer not-Winson is rumored to possibly be a Cameron, really. And I think we would marry a Cameron.
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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #43 on: 01 July 2021, 08:59:23 »
We suspect that . . . but did that information survive the founding of the Clans?

I doubt it.  Nick was set on abolishing the old loyalties and power structures.  If the Cameron heir was discovered- let alone announced as some part of a internal power struggle- it would wreck his efforts to create a new foundation for society.  How would the Wolverine Annihilation have gone if McEvedy had announced there was the heir to the Star League throne in their midst and Nicholas knew it.
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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #44 on: 01 July 2021, 13:07:19 »
Good catch. Even if the rumor was true and Nicholas knew it(and believe it), it is unlikely that the wolfs in 32th still aware of it. But, perhaps there are some hidden writings only the khan of the clan wolf is allowed to access. I doubt that there is a sure proof, but the inner circle of the wolf, or at least for the khan, may has some hints for that.

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #45 on: 01 July 2021, 13:55:14 »
Jerome Winson's diary?

"Dear Diary . . . this is my last entry, I plan to get myself killed soon.  Oh, almost forgot Jennifer was never my sister.  She is really the daughter of *written in cursive which was not taught in sibkos for the last 200 years.*"
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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #46 on: 01 July 2021, 19:29:46 »
Well, hopefully things will be sorted out.

I'd point out something here i think needs to addressed.  Whom others have said.

Current day (3150)
ilKhan / Star Lord (ilKhan-Starlord?) is Clan.  Clan believes in the strongest should rule.  Kerensky created this society.
It entirely possible someone will do Trial of Position / Circle of Equals on Alaric Ward-Steiner and possibly take it away.
Hour of the Wolf gave the impression he could not be removed initially.   That maybe notion but not necessary the truth.
Alaric despite his mix origins (his dad largely thought to be Vlad Ward primary, not additionally Victor's secret son) is trueborn, he likely to be replaced by someone fighting up the ranks to get his title should he fall.  Not by him making political marriage, such as marrying ilKhan Vickers, his childhood sibkin(?) or marrying Tara or something.

Future (3250)
We don't know, but we've been given impressions that Clans as we know them  broke down little bit, that they won't be as eugenically advanced as they are now. (me guess from reading past writing, don't shoot me!) That said, they may be marrying each other. There are married Clan Warriors (still in Clan, pointing a Vega Compact's Omega Galaxy's commander.)

I don't think he will, but fiat has funny thing about throwing us screwballs for sake of plot.  Clan society suppose slip so IlClan / Star League would crumble (maybe not gone?) in hundred or so years. 
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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #47 on: 05 July 2021, 08:24:09 »
So the Clans go even more native. Well considering that the Trueborns are really a minority that was bound to happen. You can't govern billions of people with such a small count (the core of the IS is also the most heavily populated)

Oh and Jennifer is a Cameron? I always though that she was a Amaris. Oh and didn't the Wolves gifted the Coyotes the Winson bloodline (or at least a copy) right before they fled the Kerensky Cluster? If Winson was a Cameron then we could have the "Cameron rides to smash the traitors" scenario in 3250. Or if she was a Amaris we could have Star League Civil War Round 2 Amaris bugaloo when the Homeclans come finally knocking

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #48 on: 05 July 2021, 08:52:41 »
The more I think about it the more I believe Alaric is going to have a very short life going forward. Political marriage, if he tries it, could add to the fallout of dynastic troubles following his death. There is ample real life examples of central personalities unraveling their lives' works through unclear succession that in turn leads to substantial in-fighting among their followers.
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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #49 on: 05 July 2021, 21:19:53 »
He was set up for a fall of some sort by the end of Hour of the Wolf.

Either he's a massive red herring (or a last minute swerve by the writers) and will be replaced, or he's going to have to learn to compromise his clan supremacist ideals and try to actually work with the Inner Sphere as more than a means to an end.
Good news is the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show an immediate latency of 44.6 years. So if you're thirty or over you're laughing. Worst case scenario you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you've forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #50 on: 06 July 2021, 09:05:50 »
He was set up for a fall of some sort by the end of Hour of the Wolf.

Either he's a massive red herring (or a last minute swerve by the writers) and will be replaced, or he's going to have to learn to compromise his clan supremacist ideals and try to actually work with the Inner Sphere as more than a means to an end.

Bonfire Alaric has more development and a greater grasp of human understanding- which Anastasia says is why she follows, they were both trying to be 'more' than a warrior.
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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #51 on: 06 July 2021, 13:45:14 »
I'm disappointed that the disconnect between novels for a character had continued. I have to say the Bonfire Worlds Alaric seemed more with it than Hour of the Wolf.
I assumed it was because characterization was lost due to sheer number of people in the book.  I more suspect Alaric was changed personality wise for Novellas going into the Hour of the Wolf.
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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #52 on: 30 July 2021, 11:58:21 »
The novel stated (IIRC) that the ilKhan would choose his successor from the ilClan, basically forever.  So I don't think ties, bloodname, heritage, have anything really to do with it.

I think Alaric will choose (either by pointing at someone, holding Trials, whatever he wants) to determine who will succeed him as ilKhan, that person will do the same, etc - they may not even be Wards going forward, and as long as they are Clan Wolf it would be valid.

Could argue he may want a Kerensky to succeed him as First Lord since he's so big on symbolism...

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #53 on: 31 July 2021, 17:55:22 »
Imagine the religious strife from the New Avalon Catholic Church if Alaric and Jullian had a child or twenty children for that matter.

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #54 on: 31 July 2021, 19:46:01 »
Imagine the religious strife from the New Avalon Catholic Church if Alaric and Jullian had a child or twenty children for that matter.

I don't know if we know enough about how the New Avalong Catholic Church has developed over the last several hundred years to say for sure how that would go.
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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #55 on: 07 August 2021, 18:39:39 »
Clanners elect their leaders. Whoever is the next Khan of Clan Wolf, will be the new Star Lord. A marriage and children only invites the kind of disease the spawned the succession wars in the first place.
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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #56 on: 07 August 2021, 19:09:04 »
Clanners elect their leaders. Whoever is the next Khan of Clan Wolf, will be the new Star Lord. A marriage and children only invites the kind of disease the spawned the succession wars in the first place.
Actually, according to how the ilClan works, The ilClan would rule Terra as the Clan set above all other Clans, its Khan the ilKhan for life, with the authority to appoint their successor from the ilClan’s ranks.

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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #57 on: 07 August 2021, 23:30:10 »
And I can see a lot of clannners now trying to get harvested by the ilClan...
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Re: Star Lord Alaric Ward - will he get married?
« Reply #58 on: 08 August 2021, 06:18:53 »
Book also said, ilClan would pick the successor to the Starlord/ilKhan  To me it pretty makes the point mute.  While he could get married, it won't matter.
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