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A C3 Karnov for a company
« on: 20 October 2021, 21:00:05 »
I realized that there are only five, five canon designs of any unit type that are equipped to act as a C3 company master unit and have a cruise/walk MP of at least 4.  I thought that a Karnov would be a good C3 master platform for a company.

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Karnov UR Transport (CC3M)

Mass: 30 tons
Movement Type: VTOL
Power Plant: 160 Fuel Cell
Cruising Speed: 108 kph
Maximum Speed: 162 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     4 Machine Gun
     2 C3 Computer [Master]
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3060
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Cost: 6,869,000 C-bills

Type: Karnov UR Transport
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: VTOL
Tonnage: 30
Battle Value: 205

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    3
Engine                        160 Fuel Cell         7.5
Cruising MP: 10
Flank MP: 15
Heat Sinks:                   1                       0
Control Equipment:                                  1.5
Lift Equipment:                                     3.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor                  40                    2.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   3         10   
     R/L Side               3/3       9/9   
     Rear                    3         10   
     Rotor                   3         2     


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage   
Machine Gun                     Rear        0.5     
Machine Gun                     Left        0.5     
Machine Gun                    Front        0.5     
Machine Gun                    Right        0.5     
2 C3 Computer                   Body        10.0   
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     

Features the following design quirks: VTOL Rotor Arrangement
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Re: A C3 Karnov for a company
« Reply #1 on: 20 October 2021, 21:38:24 »
I like it but in the age of AMS I'd swap the machine guns for two AMS and a ton of Ammo

The machine guns would be useful on the ground loading infantry but if somethings got close enough for MG fire the battle is lost
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Re: A C3 Karnov for a company
« Reply #2 on: 21 October 2021, 18:53:15 »
And AMS can be used as anti-infantry weapons in a pinch...  ^-^

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Re: A C3 Karnov for a company
« Reply #3 on: 23 October 2021, 19:30:10 »
Thanks for the feedback!  I think I got it now :)  I also dropped the cruise MP by 1 and added an ECM Suite.

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Karnov UR Transport (CC3M-II)

Mass: 30 tons
Movement Type: VTOL
Power Plant: 130 Fuel Cell
Cruising Speed: 97.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 151.2 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     4 Anti-Missile System
     2 C3 Computer [Master]
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3060
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Cost: 7,948,000 C-bills

Type: Karnov UR Transport
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: VTOL
Tonnage: 30
Battle Value: 371

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    3
Engine                        130 Fuel Cell         5.5
Cruising MP: 9
Flank MP: 14
Heat Sinks:                   1                       0
Control Equipment:                                  1.5
Lift Equipment:                                     3.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor                  40                    2.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   3         10   
     R/L Side               3/3       9/9   
     Rear                    3         10   
     Rotor                   3         2     


Weapons
and Ammo                        Location    Tonnage   
Anti-Missile System               Rear        0.5     
Anti-Missile System               Left        0.5     
Anti-Missile System              Front        0.5     
Anti-Missile System              Right        0.5     
Anti-Missile System Ammo (12)     Body        1.0     
2 C3 Computer                     Body        10.0   
ECM Suite                         Body        1.5     

Features the following design quirks: VTOL Rotor Arrangement
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Re: A C3 Karnov for a company
« Reply #4 on: 08 November 2021, 14:32:41 »
Honestly I don't think those AMS's are going to do you much good.    This thing is going to stay in the back and likely hidden.   Things that can chase it down likely will not be missle dependent.

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Re: A C3 Karnov for a company
« Reply #5 on: 08 November 2021, 16:28:11 »
I tried it using a Light fusion engine, 8/12 move, angel ecm, c3 master, 4 AMS's and 2 chin turret mounted ER mediums...  Still had 3 tons of armor.
It's BV is more (585) but its C-bill cost drops to 7.14 mil.
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Re: A C3 Karnov for a company
« Reply #6 on: 10 November 2021, 11:54:21 »
If you went with any kind of fusion engine you'll have a lot more mass to work with.  I was trying to keep this Karnov from going fusion.  I did this without caring about C-Bill cost since they're way out of wack in BattleTech anyway.  I care more about BV instead :)
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Re: A C3 Karnov for a company
« Reply #7 on: 21 November 2021, 18:23:48 »
I designed a similar Karnov but I didn't bother going w/ the Double Company set up, just use 2 of them.

I really only designed it to lead Recon/Striker platoons anyway.

That said, ANY kind of fast C3M is very rare in canon.

It was completely unseen for the first decade or so till a Bishimon variant came out.

I used Custom Karnov & Firestarter-O variants for that role.

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Re: A C3 Karnov for a company
« Reply #8 on: 04 December 2021, 16:58:29 »
If you went with any kind of fusion engine you'll have a lot more mass to work with.  I was trying to keep this Karnov from going fusion.  I did this without caring about C-Bill cost since they're way out of wack in BattleTech anyway.  I care more about BV instead :)

Basic SFE isn't much more expensive than Fuel Cell really.
Meanwhile you never have to refuel, so win for logistics there.

That said its less tonnage to work with so you might have to use the single C3M model idea I mentioned.
But, fluff bonus, you could use the Karnov-BA model that exists in canon w/ SFE as the "base chassis" and have it be a variant from there.

The 8 tons of BA space could be a C3Master & 3 tons for armor &/or Upgrading an ERML to LPPC?
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