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Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« on: 01 November 2022, 16:06:05 »
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Goblin Medium Tank "Wieczorek"

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 ICE
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 ER Medium Laser
     1 Machine Gun
     1 LRM 5
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3150
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-D
Cost: 751,100 C-bills

Type: Goblin Medium Tank
Technology Base: Mixed (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 617

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 ICE                14
   Cruising MP: 4
   Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   5                       5
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.5
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor                  136                   8.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         34   
     R/L Side               5/5      24/24   
     Rear                    5         20   
     Turret                  5         34   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage      
ER Medium Laser                Turret       1.0     
LRM 5                          Turret       2.0     
Machine Gun                    Front        0.5     
LRM 5 Ammo (24)                 Body        1.0     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
CASE                            Body        0.5     
Infantry                        Body        4.0     

It's a pretty simple refit, really.  I was sitting here wondering what to replace the Large Laser with when it hit me - the Clan ERML is often called a one ton LL, so why not swap that out?  That netted me quite a bit of weight with the swap (dropping heat sinks) and made it possible to add a BA squad to the unit.  I had four tons left, and while I was initially thinking of putting two tons of LRM-5 ammo (one for regular shots, one for mines or smoke or other utility suggested by Moonsword) I went with CASE and an extra half-ton of armor.  Nothing says love to your troops like crew protection.  Since I left the powertrain alone, it's not an extensive modification, mostly it comes down to getting your hands on a Clan ERML.

You can also replace the cERML with a cMPL for no loss.  BV is slightly higher at 621, while the cost comes out to 748,200 C-bills.  Add in your flavor of battlesuit squad, and go forth and terrorize.
« Last Edit: 04 November 2022, 00:58:07 by ANS Kamas P81 »
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV and Goblin CEV
« Reply #1 on: 01 November 2022, 17:15:11 »
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Goblin Medium Tank Engineering Vehicle

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 ICE
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     2 Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 2500
Tech Rating/Availability: E/C-C-C-C
Cost: 718,475 C-bills

Type: Goblin Medium Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 443

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 ICE                14
   Cruising MP: 4
   Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   0                       0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor                  128                     8

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         30   
     R/L Side               5/5      24/24   
     Rear                    5         20   
     Turret                  5         30   


Weapons
and Ammo                       Location    Tonnage      
2 Lift Hoist/Arresting Hoist     Rear        6.0     
Bulldozer                       Front        2.0     
2 Machine Gun                   Front        1.0     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)      Body        0.5     
Backhoe                         Turret       5.0     
Infantry                         Body        1.0     
The idea was pretty simple, make a CEV/ARV out of a Goblin.  I kept the infantry bay so that it can transport its own sappers/engineers/laborers/whatever with it to assist in fortifications, or bring along a security squad for protection while you work.  The turret was simple, replacing the large laser in the turret with a five ton backhoe was a straight one-for-one swap.  The heat sink tonnage went to enough lift hoist capacity to carry another Goblin in the back, and a bulldozer up front, plus a second machine gun for self-defense.  I kept the armor the same to minimize how much of a field conversion this is, it's supposed to be a straightforward swap for parts and supply commonality with the regular Goblin.
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV and Goblin CEV
« Reply #2 on: 01 November 2022, 17:37:18 »
If you're fishing for clanner ER Mediums, why not clanner LRM-5s? ???

And Fractional Accounting will let you divvy up that one ton of ammo into all the flavors of the rainbow...  ^-^

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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV and Goblin CEV
« Reply #3 on: 01 November 2022, 22:51:17 »
If you're fishing for clanner ER Mediums, why not clanner LRM-5s? ???

That's a good question.  I looked into the IS ERML route just to see how it turns out; you end up with the same stats but a BV of only 566 and the same price as the CERML version.  A Clan ERML and Clan LRM5 (with two tons of ammo)...and two Clan MGs, adding the second to the turret, came to 643 BV and 801,850 C-bills. 

And Fractional Accounting will let you divvy up that one ton of ammo into all the flavors of the rainbow...  ^-^

Fractional Accounting is a hell of a drug...I'm sticking to standard construction rules but I do get your point there and it is a very tasty one.
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV and Goblin CEV
« Reply #4 on: 02 November 2022, 03:14:59 »
That's a very reasonable price for the high end weapons!  :thumbsup:

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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV and Goblin CEV
« Reply #5 on: 02 November 2022, 07:16:47 »
Looks like some wonderfully annoying vehicles there.

The Wieczorek's 4/6 speed makes them a primarily defensive unit, the single LRM-5 makes them a minor irritation for long-range, yet the 8.5 tons of armor means that anyone trying to remove it will have to dedicate heavy weapons or hope for critical hits.  If the attacker wants to get within 15 hexes the (C)ERML means it will be taking steady fire from the laser until it pulls back out of range.  This would be a great militia unit in defensive support roles, as an attacker might simply choose to ignore the LRM fire to concentrate on other targets.  Now if that Wieczorek had carried infantry units that are spotting for nearby artillery, that just makes them much more aggravating.

The Goblin Medium Engineering vehicle to me looks like it's combat purpose would be best served by patrolling a town to deal with pirate infantry.  With only two Machine Guns it won't be able to really hurt Mechs, 4/6 speed means it won't catch most Mechs, but its heavy armor means it can handle an infantry platoon's firepower nicely.

Overall these look like good little designs.

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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV and Goblin CEV
« Reply #6 on: 02 November 2022, 13:41:46 »
You know, if you can't get a cERML a LAC/5 with one ton of ammo is a straight drop-in. :) Less impressive firepower, but still decent.

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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV and Goblin CEV
« Reply #7 on: 04 November 2022, 00:57:09 »
I ended up with a bunch of Goblins in my mercenary battalion, and I was reading through Tamar Rising when I got to the section on the 21st Centauri Lancers.  They've been acquiring quite a bit of Clan technology, and instead of applying it to their BattleMechs they've been sticking it on their AFVs as a nasty surprise to anyone who underestimates their armor force.  I thought about it a little bit, and realized that it's possible to save a little weight by taking the 3053 Goblin ISV and upgrading the main gun to a Clan LPL.  Makes for a nasty open field contender, and is a very rudimentary swap.  Less rudimentary was making my tank crew happy by removing one machine gun and installing CASE, while the leftover ton went into the infantry bay, making yet another version of this tank that can carry a squad of Battle Armor (or a good supply of beer) to the fight.
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Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle "Wieczorek"

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 Machine Gun
     1 Large Pulse Laser
     1 SRM 6
     1 Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3053
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-E-D
Cost: 1,804,525 C-bills

Type: Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle
Technology Base: Mixed (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 948

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 Fusion           10.5
   Cruising MP: 4
   Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.0
Armor Factor (Ferro)          170                   9.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         40   
     R/L Side               5/5      32/32   
     Rear                    5         26   
     Turret                  5         40   


Weapons
and Ammo                        Location    Tonnage      
Machine Gun                      Front        0.5     
Large Pulse Laser                Turret       6.0     
SRM 6                            Turret       3.0     
Anti-Missile System              Turret       0.5     
CASE                              Body        0.5     
Anti-Missile System Ammo (12)     Body        1.0     
SRM 6 Ammo (15)                   Body        1.0     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)       Body        0.5     
Infantry                          Body        4.0
Granted, I could have expanded the Clan tech on it - replacing the remaining MG on the bow with two half-weight Clan versions, upgrading the missiles and AMS, but I didn't want to go too far with this rebuild.  Idly, with one ton of ammo available and heat not being a consideration, what would you guys pick?  Two regular SRM 6s or one Streak SRM 6?

It also struck me that you can, for the same weight and heat, make an even better urban combatant by switching the LPL for an SNPPC.  I'm not going to post the stats since they're 99% the same, but the difference is a BV of 836 and a total cost of 1,985,775 C-bills, and you're still carrying along four tons of whatever you like onboard.
« Last Edit: 04 November 2022, 01:01:38 by ANS Kamas P81 »
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #8 on: 04 November 2022, 01:18:40 »
And one more Goblin for the night, this one a Combat Engineer/Recovery Vehicle based on the fusion-powered 3053 Goblin again.  Two ERMLs for obstacle clearing or self-defense, plus a machine gun for pesky infantry.  The backhoe is once again turret mounted, so it can work wherever is needed, while the front end carries a bulldozer blade and the rear carries a pair of lift hoists able to hold 45 tons.  No infantry compartment on this one, so whatever combat engineers go along with it will need their own rides.
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Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle CE/RV

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     2 ER Medium Laser
     1 Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3150
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-D
Cost: 1,768,275 C-bills

Type: Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 689

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 Fusion           10.5
   Cruising MP: 4
   Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.0
Armor Factor (Ferro)          170                   9.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         40   
     R/L Side               5/5      32/32   
     Rear                    5         26   
     Turret                  5         40   


Weapons
and Ammo                        Location    Tonnage      
2 Lift Hoist/Arresting Hoist      Rear        6.0     
Bulldozer                        Front        2.0     
Machine Gun                      Front        0.5     
CASE                              Body        0.5     
Anti-Missile System Ammo (12)     Body        1.0     
2 ER Medium Laser                Turret       2.0     
Backhoe                          Turret       5.0
I suppose you could also remove the bulldozer and one medium laser and mount Mine Sweeping equipment on the bow, for an alternative version.  BV and price for it comes to 641 and 1,637,775 respectively.
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #9 on: 04 November 2022, 01:29:33 »
Okay, last one.  Daryk said it was possible to mount a Thumper on a Goblin, and knowing him he's already done that and posted it somewhere.  So I wondered what else might be mountable.  A Sniper would be too heavy, but an Arrow IV launcher should work, shouldn't it?  And so it does, if you pop the turret off the thing.  Rebalancing the armor ended up with four extra points on the rear, maybe it's got an extra bumper or something on on the back that can absorb four points of damage.  The machine gun was kept for rudimentary self-defense, while the Arrow IV was mounted in the hole where the turret sat.  Four tons of ammo gives good endurance so it can focus on sitting Way Over There and pooping missiles at the battlefield, while just waiting to skedaddle away. 
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Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle Arrow

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 Machine Gun
     1 Arrow IV
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3150
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-D
Cost: 1,820,475 C-bills

Type: Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 826

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 Fusion           10.5
   Cruising MP: 4
   Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor (Ferro)          134                   7.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         40   
     R/L Side               5/5      32/32   
     Rear                    5         30   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage      
Arrow IV                        Rear        15.0   
Machine Gun                    Front        0.5     
Arrow IV Ammo (20)              Body        4.0     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #10 on: 04 November 2022, 03:37:13 »
I gave you the link in your other thread... :)

Also: armor-wise, you should shave a point off the sides and put them on the Front/Turret (or Rear of the Arrow IV version).  That lets those locations survive one more Medium Laser...  ^-^

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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #11 on: 04 November 2022, 04:53:34 »
I gave you the link in your other thread... :)

Saw it.  Some damn cool stuff in there and worth reading if you're here for Goblins.

Also: armor-wise, you should shave a point off the sides and put them on the Front/Turret (or Rear of the Arrow IV version).  That lets those locations survive one more Medium Laser...  ^-^

Optimized armor placement in my Battletech?  Well, actually that's a good idea, and ... wow, is only a Class A refit, meaning it can be done anywhere anytime with basic tools.  Thanks, Campaign Operations.  BV and cost doesn't change, and it's really a thoughtful design edit.

Meanwhile, something I didn't see over in the other thread - air defenses!
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Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle Antiaircraft

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 LB 2-X AC
     1 Machine Gun
     1 ER Large Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3053
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Cost: 1,769,435 C-bills

Type: Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 766

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 Fusion           10.5
   Cruising MP: 4
   Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   12                      2
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.5
Armor Factor (Ferro)          170                   9.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         41   
     R/L Side               5/5      31/31   
     Rear                    5         26   
     Turret                  5         41   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage      
Machine Gun                    Front        0.5     
ER Large Laser                 Turret       5.0     
LB 2-X AC                      Turret       6.0     
CASE                            Body        0.5     
LB 2-X Cluster Ammo (45)        Body        1.0     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
Infantry                        Body        1.0     
I kept the infantry bay for the simple fact of having nothing better to do with a ton, plus it's still a Goblin.  Having the Beer Compartment is a thing for that line, and it felt wrong to have a Goblin without it.  Anyway, it's basically half a Rifleman; the LB-2 is there (because it's light) for the -3 LB-flak bonus, making sure you're hitting with something even on zoomies.  The ERLL, well, I would have liked something longer ranged but as it is it's still thresholding most ASFs.

I also made a Clan-tech version, which is just an armor and weapons swap from the above model.  It still has the infantry compartment for a squad of troopers, though now the weapons are a Clan ERLL and LB-5X giving you more hitting power and extreme ranges.  I also added a machine gun to the roof, since Clan MGs are so light, and replaced the IS FF armor with Clan FF armor.  It let me add twelve points, which went evenly to the front and turret.
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Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle Antiaircraft Upgrade

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 LB 5-X AC
     2 Machine Gun
     1 ER Large Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3053
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-E-D
Cost: 1,938,650 C-bills

Type: Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle
Technology Base: Mixed (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 964

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 Fusion           10.5
   Cruising MP: 4
   Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   12                      2
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.5
Armor Factor (Ferro)          182                   9.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         47   
     R/L Side               5/5      31/31   
     Rear                    5         26   
     Turret                  5         47   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage      
Machine Gun                    Front        0.25   
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
CASE                            Body        0.5     
LB 5-X Cluster Ammo (20)        Body        1.0     
LB 5-X AC                      Turret       7.0     
ER Large Laser                 Turret       4.0     
Machine Gun                    Turret       0.25   
Infantry                        Body        1.0     
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #12 on: 04 November 2022, 05:12:56 »
One last one (I hope) for the night, this one more of an urban-combat design.  The concept was to deploy its infantry into a building to spot for mortar fire while the vehicle hid in an alley.  The high angle of the turret-mounted mortar made clearing all but the tallest buildings a simple thing, and the weapon proved to be accurate enough that walking fire onto a target was rarely required.  Two short-range pulse lasers and the ubiquitous machine gun gave the urban combat tank teeth if it surprised an enemy in an alleyway.  The testing proved that the concept was doable, however the mortar's limited destructive capability for its weight ended up leaving the design only a prototype.

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Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle Urban Combat Tank

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 'Mech Mortar 4
     1 Machine Gun
     2 Medium Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3053
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-F-E
Cost: 1,521,775 C-bills

Type: Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 680

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 Fusion           10.5
   Cruising MP: 4
   Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.5
Armor Factor (Ferro)          170                   9.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         41   
     R/L Side               5/5      31/31   
     Rear                    5         26   
     Turret                  5         41   


Weapons
and Ammo                           Location    Tonnage      
Machine Gun                         Front        0.5     
Machine Gun Ammo (200)               Body        1.0     
Shaped Charge Mortar 4 Ammo (18)     Body        3.0     
2 Medium Pulse Laser                Turret       4.0     
'Mech Mortar 4                      Turret       7.0     
Infantry                             Body        1.0     

Frankly I've never used 'Mech Mortars and they seem highly lackluster, especially compared to an equal-weight LRM launcher.  I suppose this would be a dead-end design, as an LRM 15 can do the same indirect fire and bring a lot more damage down on a target.  Maybe there's something I'm missing about them, but it seemed like something someone would try.
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #13 on: 04 November 2022, 05:51:00 »
What's one more Goblin for the morning.  Another urban combat design that does better, and probably pairs quite well with Daryk's Hobgoblin AC/20 carrier.  It still carries its infantry, though instead of spotting for indirect fire the infantry is there to lure a target to an ambush point, and to act as eyes to keep the tank's crew informed of just when to lunge out and unload a heavy short-range barrage on an unsuspecting target.

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Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle Urban Combat Tank 2

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     3 Medium Laser
     1 Machine Gun
     3 SRM 6
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3053
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-D-D
Cost: 1,851,650 C-bills

Type: Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 899

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 Fusion           10.5
   Cruising MP: 4
   Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.5
Armor Factor (Ferro)          170                   9.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         41   
     R/L Side               5/5      31/31   
     Rear                    5         26   
     Turret                  5         41   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage      
Machine Gun                    Front        0.5     
3 Medium Laser                 Turret       3.0     
3 SRM 6                        Turret       9.0     
CASE                            Body        0.5     
SRM 6 Ammo (30)                 Body        2.0     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
Infantry                        Body        1.0     

I originally had four SRM 6s in the turret, but felt bad wasting the heat sinks, and decided Medium Laser spam was a nice rice to my SRM curry.  BV and cost of the all-SRM version is lower, at 811 and 1,793,650 respectively.
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #14 on: 04 November 2022, 17:43:41 »
To justify your all SRM version, I might recommend Fuel Cell engines...  ^-^

As for Mortars, have you tried the Mortar-1?  It's not so bad, having no worries about the cluster roll...  >:D

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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #15 on: 04 November 2022, 18:30:33 »
Or, on the other end of the spectrum, the M8: 100% more output for less than 50% more weight compared to the M4.
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #16 on: 04 November 2022, 21:55:07 »
And I get hit with one of the most obvious variants you can put on a Goblin ISV - take that three ton infantry compartment and shrink it to one ton, and add two tons of Communications Equipment.  Presto, instant command tank!  It's the same as any Goblin with a three ton bay statswise, so I'm not posting the whole thing here.  BV remains the same at 790 for the baseline Infantry Support Vehicle, but the cost does go up a tad to 1,768,275 C-bills.  What do you get out of it?  Well, as long as you aren't hit while you're moving (so stay still or don't get hit) you get a +1 Initiative bonus.  It's a Class B refit, since you're removing two one-ton infantry bays and adding the components in their place.  Doesn't even affect unit quality as long as your tech team knows what they're doing.

Mech Mortar/1s you say?  Mech Mortar/1s you shall have!
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Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle Urban Combat Tank 3

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     4 'Mech Mortar 1
     1 Machine Gun
     2 Medium Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3053
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-F-E
Cost: 1,475,375 C-bills

Type: Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 686

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 Fusion           10.5
   Cruising MP: 4
   Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.5
Armor Factor (Ferro)          170                   9.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         41   
     R/L Side               5/5      31/31   
     Rear                    5         26   
     Turret                  5         41   


Weapons
and Ammo                           Location    Tonnage      
Machine Gun                         Front        0.5     
2 Medium Pulse Laser                Turret       4.0     
4 'Mech Mortar 1                    Turret       8.0     
Machine Gun Ammo (200)               Body        1.0     
Shaped Charge Mortar 1 Ammo (48)     Body        2.0     
Infantry                             Body        1.0     

Make it rain!
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #17 on: 04 November 2022, 22:30:25 »
Oh look, what could it be?  Another Goblin!  Yaay!
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Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle (Plasma)

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 Machine Gun
     1 Plasma Rifle
     1 LRM 5
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3150
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-D
Cost: 1,769,725 C-bills

Type: Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 888

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 Fusion           10.5
   Cruising MP: 4
   Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.0
Armor Factor (Ferro)          170                   9.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         41   
     R/L Side               5/5      31/31   
     Rear                    5         26   
     Turret                  5         41   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage      
Machine Gun                    Front        0.5     
LRM 5 Ammo (48)                 Body        2.0     
Plasma Rifle Ammo (20)          Body        2.0     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
LRM 5                          Turret       2.0     
Plasma Rifle                   Turret       6.0     
Infantry                        Body        4.0     

This one's designed to work in Augmented Lances, for starters.  A four ton infantry bay lets it carry one squad of BA, while another squad of Fa Shih mechanizes on the outside with its magclamps.  With four BA squads and two tanks making up one kind of Augmented Lance, this is your perfect solution to transporting the whole team.  What's it got onboard?  A Plasma Rifle with 20 rounds, and an LRM-5 with 48.  The two tons of ammo are for choice; you're already carrying around at least two Fa Shih squads, so mines are going to be a thing.  Why not take one ton of FASCAM toecutters to go along with your BA?  Save the other ton for direct engagements, in case you want to call out something and get it to come in range of your Marshmallow Gun.

Really, I just wanted to use ten heat sinks and hadn't done a Plasma Rifle version yet.  I kinda like it.
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #18 on: 05 November 2022, 04:23:41 »
Heh... you're never really done tweaking on Goblins...  8)

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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #19 on: 05 November 2022, 04:49:54 »
As demonstrated in the Archer thread, I'm never done tweaking variants of things.  Though I think for Goblins, between your ICE variants and my fusion powered models...there's really not anything else to be done, short of trying to wedge a Clan ERPPC into one.  Damn single heat sinks...
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #20 on: 05 November 2022, 05:11:10 »
Artillery cannons!  :D

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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #21 on: 05 November 2022, 05:23:09 »
Artillery cannons!  :D

Okay!

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Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle (LTAC)

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 Long Tom Cannon
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3053
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Cost: 2,044,500 C-bills

Type: Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 785

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 Fusion           10.5
   Cruising MP: 4
   Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor (Ferro)          116                   6.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         42   
     R/L Side               5/5      26/26   
     Rear                    5         22   


Weapons
and Ammo                   Location    Tonnage      
Long Tom Cannon             Front        20.0   
Long Tom Cannon Ammo (5)     Body        1.0     

Frankly if you live long enough to fire all five rounds your target has not been paying enough attention to you.
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #22 on: 05 November 2022, 05:27:18 »
True that!  8)

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« Reply #23 on: 05 November 2022, 23:10:50 »
I already posted one version with a Clan LPL for a main gun, but this version goes all in on making a Goblin with Clan tech.  Not quite a wild and crazy IIC but a straight B-level refit, something that can be accomplished in the field with a minimum of tech requirements and no reduction in overall unit quality.

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Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle (Clan)

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 AP Gauss Rifle
     1 Large Pulse Laser
     1 Anti-Missile System
     1 Streak SRM 6
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3150
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-E
Cost: 1,913,275 C-bills

Type: Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle
Technology Base: Mixed (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 1,105

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 Fusion           10.5
   Cruising MP: 4
   Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.0
Armor Factor (Ferro)          182                   9.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         46   
     R/L Side               5/5      32/32   
     Rear                    5         26   
     Turret                  5         46   


Weapons
and Ammo                               Location    Tonnage      
Anti-Missile System                     Front        0.5     
AP Gauss Rifle                          Front        0.5     
Large Pulse Laser                       Turret       6.0     
Streak SRM 6                            Turret       3.0     
Anti-Missile System Ammo (24)            Body        1.0     
Anti-Personnel Gauss Rifle Ammo (40)     Body        1.0     
Streak SRM 6 Ammo (30)                   Body        2.0     
Infantry                                 Body        3.0     
Unlike the other Goblin I posted, this one doesn't have CASE onboard, and switches the machine guns out for an APGR and one ton of ammo.  After swapping over the weapons I had an extra ton of space available; I wasn't sure what to use it for but settled on another ton of Streak 6 ammo.  Just keep firing it and the LPL every turn, because you can; it's got plenty of ammunition as it is.  It also only has the standard three-ton infantry compartment.

A variant would be swapping the LPL for an ERLL; the extra heat sinks make up the mass difference.  It adds a little more range at the cost of the -2 for pulse weapons, and the BV and cost are 1,086 and 1,955,325 C-bills.

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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #24 on: 05 November 2022, 23:18:03 »
Instead of an extra ton of Streak ammo, how about a fourth ton of infantry?  That way you could carry an IS BA squad...  ^-^

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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #25 on: 05 November 2022, 23:24:12 »
And just because, a IIC version.  This one carries a full point of Elementals, which it relies on for antipersonnel defense since the tank doesn't mount any AP weapons of its own.

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Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle IIC

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 270 XL
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 97.2 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 ATM 6
     1 ER Large Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3150
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-D
Cost: 5,834,800 C-bills

Type: Goblin Infantry Support Vehicle
Technology Base: Clan (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 1,188

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        270 XL               11.5
   Cruising MP: 6
   Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks:                   12                      2
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.0
Armor Factor (Ferro)          172                     9

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         41   
     R/L Side               5/5      32/32   
     Rear                    5         26   
     Turret                  5         41   


Weapons
and Ammo                   Location    Tonnage      
ER Large Laser              Turret       4.0     
ATM 6                       Turret       3.5     
Standard ATM/6 Ammo (20)     Body        2.0     
Infantry                     Body        5.0     

Pretty straightforward, a fast laser carrier with some missile backup.  Maybe the Hell's Horses would build it, since they're all about combined arms novas with fast vehicles.  Not a lot to say about it really.

Instead of an extra ton of Streak ammo, how about a fourth ton of infantry?  That way you could carry an IS BA squad...  ^-^

I thought about that, and did that with the previous version; as far as converting the thing goes it wouldn't be difficult at all and would still stay a Class B customization.  I just wanted to do something a little different than retreading what I did already.
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #26 on: 05 November 2022, 23:25:46 »
Makes sense...  :)

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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #27 on: 21 December 2022, 08:09:06 »
I would have gone the 225 rating combat fuel cell engine route . 5/8 is just a way better movement profile.

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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #28 on: 12 January 2023, 09:30:41 »
Daryk did wonders with ICE models for the Succession Wars era, and I posted plenty of fusion powered models above, but none of those were for the SW - everything was for later years, with later technologies.  So how about a Goblin family in the late 30th century that has a fusion power plant?  Ostensibly they'd be fighting over production for Hatchetmans with them, but there's plenty of other sources of 180 SFEs (looking at you, Vindicator) and it's not like there's a huge demand for Hatchetmans by comparison. 

To keep the Goblin nature, I kept the one-ton infantry bay, because a) I like Squad Rules and b) it's a Goblin, it's supposed to work with infantry.  The bow Machine Gun was kept, while a Vehicular Grenade Launcher was added to the turret.  One extra ton of armor was added to it, and that left me with 15.5 tons and ten slots to fill it with.
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Goblin Medium Tank (Fusion Base)

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Machine Gun
     1 Vehicular Grenade Launcher
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3000
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-E-F-E
Cost: 1,041,100 C-bills

Type: Goblin Medium Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 477

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 Fusion           10.5
Cruising MP: 4
Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor                  144                     9

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         41   
     R/L Side               5/5      21/21   
     Rear                    5         21   
     Turret                  5         40   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage   
Machine Gun                    Front        0.5     
Vehicular Grenade Launcher     Turret       0.5     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
Infantry                        Body        1.0     
The obvious MBT-style main gun is a PPC, and there's enough tonnage left over for an LRM-10 (both in the turret) and two tons of ammunition along with an extra turreted Machine Gun - it's a poor man's Manticore, but it also fits in a Light Vehicle Bay.  I suppose I could swap the -10 for an LRM-5 and an SRM6, with one ton of ammo each, but I prefer the longer ranged weapon.  BV for this model is 806, and cost is 1,577,600 C-bills.

For something more short-ranged, you can out-Bulldog a Bulldog.  The turret mounts a Large Laser plus two SRM-6s, along with the VGLs and a second Machine Gun, while retaining the bow MG.  Three tons of ammo for the SRMs gives plenty of options to choose from, and lets you tape down the triggers for a little while and even take difficult shots just in case.  BV for this version is 777 even, with a price of 1,550,050 C-bills making it among the more expensive of the versions.  It'd probably make a great city-fighter, though, something to pair up with the AC/20 casemate tanks.

Then there's an option I know Daryk will enjoy.  For 726 BV and a price of 1,352,125 C-bills, you can cram a Blazer into the turret - just barely, this thing would have no other weapons besides the bow MG and the VGL.  Considering the original Goblin only has a single LL and a bow MG, I suppose it's still a solid upgrade.

A version built specifically as a casemate model is below, intended to take weapons like the AC/20 or a Thumper artillery piece.
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Goblin Medium Tank (Fusion Casemate Base)

Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 180 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3000
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-E-D-D
Cost: 986,725 C-bills

Type: Goblin Medium Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Introductory)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 45
Battle Value: 345

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  4.5
Engine                        180 Fusion           10.5
Cruising MP: 4
Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor                  104                   6.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         41   
     R/L Side               5/5      21/21   
     Rear                    5         21   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage   
Machine Gun                    Front        0.5     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
Infantry                        Body        1.0     
Unfortunately it only gets to nineteen tons instead of twenty; you'd have to lose the infantry and the MG to carry anything like a Sniper or an LTAC, and you only get one ton of ammunition that way anyway.  At least it has eleven slots to cram stuff into.

AC/20 version has 25 rounds onboard, with a BV of 667 and a cost of 1,494,225 C-bills.  Thumper carrier mounts 40 rounds onboard, with two tons of communications equipment filling the rest for that tasty +1 to Initiative - and it makes a fire support TOC vehicle while you're at it.  BV for this version is 404, and a price of 1,300,650 C-bills.  I originally stripped the Infantry Bay and kept the MG, but swapped those on further consideration.  What goes into the twenty tons?  A Mobile Field Base, allowing Bay level maintenance and repairs/modifications without needing a DropShip.  The MFB is only 338 BV, making it a cheap and effective objective to capture in a game, and only costs 1,196,250 C-bills to boot.  The infantry bay means you can carry a full Tech Team per each vehicle, so you have a portable do-it-all repair station that comes with its own techs.
« Last Edit: 12 January 2023, 10:00:30 by ANS Kamas P81 »
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Re: Dark Age era Goblin IFV, Goblin CEV, and more
« Reply #29 on: 12 January 2023, 10:09:48 »
Seems to be lacking the main guns on this post.