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Red Jacket (LB-10X Yellow Jacket)
« on: 15 August 2020, 10:42:25 »
Be vewy vewy quiet, we're hunting vehicles.
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Red Jacket

Mass: 30 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: VTOL
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 1,658,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 644

Power Plant:  130 Fuel Cell Engine
Cruise Speed: 97.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 151.2 km/h
Armor:  Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  LB 10-X AC
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      15 points                3.00
Engine:             Fuel-Cell Engine             130                       5.50
    Cruise MP:  9
    Flank MP:   14
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             1                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            3.00
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV -  71                  4.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     21       
                                          Left/Right   16/16       
                                                Rear     16       
                                               Rotor     2         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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LB 10-X AC                                   FR        2         1        11.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (10)                         BD        -         0         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 6
9v         1       1       1       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: EE, FLK 1/1/1
The rotor makes it fragile, but... Enough armour to tank a Gauss Rifle and withdraw, with a very big shotgun to make vehicles unhappy. Plus, I find it hilarious to imagine a massive autocannon on a spindly helicopter.
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Re: Red Jacket (LB-10X Yellow Jacket)
« Reply #1 on: 30 August 2020, 21:37:31 »
this is a good escort for other Yellow Jackets against enemy vehicles, specially enemy vtols

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Re: Red Jacket (LB-10X Yellow Jacket)
« Reply #2 on: 30 August 2020, 21:50:38 »
Be vewy vewy quiet, we're hunting vehicles.
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Red Jacket

Mass: 30 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: VTOL
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 1,658,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 644

Power Plant:  130 Fuel Cell Engine
Cruise Speed: 97.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 151.2 km/h
Armor:  Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  LB 10-X AC
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      15 points                3.00
Engine:             Fuel-Cell Engine             130                       5.50
    Cruise MP:  9
    Flank MP:   14
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             1                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            3.00
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV -  71                  4.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     21       
                                          Left/Right   16/16       
                                                Rear     16       
                                               Rotor     2         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LB 10-X AC                                   FR        2         1        11.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (10)                         BD        -         0         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 6
9v         1       1       1       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: EE, FLK 1/1/1
The rotor makes it fragile, but... Enough armour to tank a Gauss Rifle and withdraw, with a very big shotgun to make vehicles unhappy. Plus, I find it hilarious to imagine a massive autocannon on a spindly helicopter.

This is a good replacement for the Yellowjacket period.
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Re: Red Jacket (LB-10X Yellow Jacket)
« Reply #3 on: 01 September 2020, 19:37:55 »
This is a good replacement for the Yellowjacket period.
While I still think the original is flavourful, that speed. :(

While the LB-10X is a Swiss Army knife, and I chose it as much for the range as anything else, it's equivalent to a PPC. Slap a PPC on a fusion VTOL and it's in some ways even better:
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Red and Yellow

Mass: 24 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: VTOL
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 3025
Cost: 1,008,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 708

Power Plant:  100 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 108.0 km/h
Flanking Speed: 162.0 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  PPC
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      15 points                2.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                100                       4.50
    Cruise MP:  10
    Flank MP:   15
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            2.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  96                  6.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     28       
                                          Left/Right   23/23       
                                                Rear     20       
                                               Rotor     2         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PPC                                          FR        10        1         7.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 7
10v        1       1       1       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: ENE
Introtech, a simple 100 fusion engine (Kallon wasn't using them for anything but Hornets anyway), 10/15 speed and enough armour to tank some hits while you're making long-range shots. It's even cheaper than the YJ.
« Last Edit: 01 September 2020, 19:40:16 by acksed »
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Re: Red Jacket (LB-10X Yellow Jacket)
« Reply #4 on: 01 September 2020, 22:31:36 »
While I still think the original is flavourful, that speed. :(
The "original" Yellowjacket is all fluff text and sales brochure, meant to appeal to gin-room armchair social generals.  your Red Jacket is actually useful and effective.


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While the LB-10X is a Swiss Army knife, and I chose it as much for the range as anything else, it's equivalent to a PPC. Slap a PPC on a fusion VTOL and it's in some ways even better:
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Red and Yellow

Mass: 24 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: VTOL
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 3025
Cost: 1,008,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 708

Power Plant:  100 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 108.0 km/h
Flanking Speed: 162.0 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  PPC
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      15 points                2.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                100                       4.50
    Cruise MP:  10
    Flank MP:   15
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            2.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  96                  6.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     28       
                                          Left/Right   23/23       
                                                Rear     20       
                                               Rotor     2         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PPC                                          FR        10        1         7.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 7
10v        1       1       1       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: ENE
Introtech, a simple 100 fusion engine (Kallon wasn't using them for anything but Hornets anyway), 10/15 speed and enough armour to tank some hits while you're making long-range shots. It's even cheaper than the YJ.

Your 24 ton chopper is a lot closer to a pragmatic approach than even the red, (Cost! cost!!!) and I like it even more.
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Re: Red Jacket (LB-10X Yellow Jacket)
« Reply #5 on: 07 September 2020, 08:55:24 »
Your 24 ton chopper is a lot closer to a pragmatic approach than even the red, (Cost! cost!!!) and I like it even more.
Ah, budget-conscious, I see. Need something even cheaper?
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Red and Black
Mass: 17 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: VTOL
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 3013
Cost: 506,033 C-Bills
Battle Value: 489

Power Plant: Leenex 60 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 97.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 151.2 km/h
Armor: StarSlab II Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Large Laser
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:
================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      10 points                2.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 60                       2.50
    Cruise MP:  9
    Flank MP:   14
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            2.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  72                  4.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     21       
                                          Left/Right   17/17       
                                                Rear     15       
                                               Rotor     2         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Large Laser                                  FR        8         1         5.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 5
9v         1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: ENE
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Re: Red Jacket (LB-10X Yellow Jacket)
« Reply #6 on: 08 September 2020, 11:44:50 »
Ah, budget-conscious, I see. Need something even cheaper?
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Red and Black
Mass: 17 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: VTOL
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 3013
Cost: 506,033 C-Bills
Battle Value: 489

Power Plant: Leenex 60 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 97.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 151.2 km/h
Armor: StarSlab II Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Large Laser
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:
================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      10 points                2.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 60                       2.50
    Cruise MP:  9
    Flank MP:   14
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            2.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  72                  4.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     21       
                                          Left/Right   17/17       
                                                Rear     15       
                                               Rotor     2         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Large Laser                                  FR        8         1         5.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 5
9v         1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: ENE
The "Black" is because that'll be your finances even after buying this. Incidentally, we offer a bounty on any UrbanMech engines you find.

Once upon a time, I wanted to see if I could make the Cyrano cheaper...or at least, make it make sense.  I ended up around 15 tons of chopper and can't find the file anymore.
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Re: Red Jacket (LB-10X Yellow Jacket)
« Reply #7 on: 09 September 2020, 03:20:01 »
I like popping a Plasma Rifle on a 10/15 SFE chassis.  Great tool for hunting vehicles, BA or infantry.  A yellow & black II if you will.  You can even ditch 1t of armour for a 2nd ton of ammo, if you bump the standard armour to HFF at that tech level you don't really lose any armour either.

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Re: Red Jacket (LB-10X Yellow Jacket)
« Reply #8 on: 09 September 2020, 11:41:44 »
Once upon a time, I wanted to see if I could make the Cyrano cheaper...or at least, make it make sense.  I ended up around 15 tons of chopper and can't find the file anymore.
*checks Sarna for original* Yikes. I'm all for rationalisation of chassis and engines, but at a single ton of FF, the pilots must have to avoid kicking the sides too hard when they climb in.

In 15t, if you use an XL engine (because Star League) & drop the speed a tick it's quite a bit cheaper:
15t, 11/17, LL, BAP, 3t FF (17/12/2/10)
Cost: 1,072,500 C-bills, BV: 478

Trying to preserve the speed and still keep some armour, I bulked up to 17t. It's still cheaper, but also worryingly flimsy on the rear:
17t, 12/18, LL, BAP, 2.5t FF (13/10/2/9)
Cost: 1,501,911 C-bills, BV: 509

But the sweet spot of a slimmed-down, armoured-up SFE Cyrano is... 22 tons:
22t, 12/18, LL, BAP, 3t FF (17/12/2/10)
Cost: 1,184,444 C-bills; BV: 549
I like popping a Plasma Rifle on a 10/15 SFE chassis.  Great tool for hunting vehicles, BA or infantry.  A yellow & black II if you will.  You can even ditch 1t of armour for a 2nd ton of ammo, if you bump the standard armour to HFF at that tech level you don't really lose any armour either.
Oh that's evil. #P is for Plasma that burns down the whole town!  >:D
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Re: Red Jacket (LB-10X Yellow Jacket)
« Reply #9 on: 09 September 2020, 11:53:26 »
Mass: 17 tons

Why 17 tons?

Unless I'm doing the math wrong, you get the exact same weapons, armor, speed on a 15 ton "standard" sized chassis.

I think the 2 tons is all getting used by IS, Engine, & Lift so I'm not seeing the advantage at a quick eyeball look.
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Re: Red Jacket (LB-10X Yellow Jacket)
« Reply #10 on: 09 September 2020, 15:25:01 »
Why 17 tons?

Unless I'm doing the math wrong, you get the exact same weapons, armor, speed on a 15 ton "standard" sized chassis.

I think the 2 tons is all getting used by IS, Engine, & Lift so I'm not seeing the advantage at a quick eyeball look.
Just going by Solaris Armour Werks. The diff. is that with an XLFE at 12/18, you gain a free half-ton going from 15 to 17t. There may be a rounding error.
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Re: Red Jacket (LB-10X Yellow Jacket)
« Reply #11 on: 10 September 2020, 16:13:55 »
Just going by Solaris Armour Werks. The diff. is that with an XLFE at 12/18, you gain a free half-ton going from 15 to 17t. There may be a rounding error.

Huh? 
The quoted post above doesn't have an XLFE,  nor does it move 12/18.
Its got a 60 Rated SFE moving 9/14 with a LL & standard Armor.
It appears to be Intro Tech but it says Standard in the stats.


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Re: Red Jacket (LB-10X Yellow Jacket)
« Reply #12 on: 12 September 2020, 11:25:48 »
Huh? 
The quoted post above doesn't have an XLFE,  nor does it move 12/18.
Its got a 60 Rated SFE moving 9/14 with a LL & standard Armor.
It appears to be Intro Tech but it says Standard in the stats.
This is what I was referring to:
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In 15t, if you use an XL engine (because Star League) & drop the speed a tick it's quite a bit cheaper:
15t, 11/17, LL, BAP, 3t FF (17/12/2/10)
Cost: 1,072,500 C-bills, BV: 478

Trying to preserve the speed and still keep some armour, I bulked up to 17t. It's still cheaper, but also worryingly flimsy on the rear:
17t, 12/18, LL, BAP, 2.5t FF (13/10/2/9)
Cost: 1,501,911 C-bills, BV: 509
I assumed I was clear I was still using an XL engine for the second updated version of Cannonshop's proposed Cyrano refit. Sorry. I'll post the whole thing:
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Cyrano 17

Mass: 17 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: VTOL
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/E-F-E-A
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 1,501,911 C-Bills
Battle Value: 509

Power Plant:  110 Fusion XL Engine
Cruise Speed: 129.6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 194.4 km/h
Armor:  Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  Large Laser
    1  Beagle Active Probe
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      10 points                2.00
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             110                       3.00
    Cruise MP:  12
    Flank MP:   18
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            2.00
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV -  44                  2.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     12       
                                          Left/Right   10/10       
                                                Rear     10       
                                               Rotor     2         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Large Laser                                  FR        8         1         5.00
Beagle Active Probe                          FR        0         1         1.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      1    Points: 5
12v        1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  1
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