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for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« on: 03 January 2021, 09:16:22 »
Okay, I got a wild hair up my 4th point of contact a few weeks ago, and expanded on it tonight.

It's here.

Now, while in my most common versions of this fanfiction subset, I don't make major changes to the setting or the canon (or violations of history, decency, etc...)

This one's different.

The rules are outlined in the post linked, sort of.

for those of you of weak constitution or refined tastes, it's simple:

I need a common chassis that can be built using 3025 tech, in a mass production style, that can be configured thusly:

1 Main battle tank
1 Infantry Fighting Vehicle
1 Logistics Support platform
1 Combat Engineering Vehicle
1 Field Artillery vehicle
1 MASH unit.

Needs to be: using the same running gear, across all platforms, this means the same engine type (Fusion) and the same engine rating, on a chassis of 50 tons or less.  (So it's not a Rommel-Pat derivative, you can relax guys)

the MBT may NOT be the same as the IFV.   That means, if you enter a goblin derivative, then I need either another 45 ton track to serve as a dedicated IFV, or another 45 ton track to serve as a dedicated MBT.

Common parts between them are encouraged, but not for the main gun.

"Field Artillery" means Thumper/Sniper/Long Tom.  accept no substitutes for one of those three, only one tube per track.

Oh yeah, "Track".  This family of vehicles needs to have the broadest range of terrains available.  You can pick up bonus points by adding a non-tracked vehicle that uses the same engine, but it needs to have a definite purpose and advantage and work well with the rest.

For additional fun, we may also look to finding (and referencing) a common L1/3025 era 'mech that uses the same engine and components that are found on the vehicles.

Yes, this is another "Let's standardize the hell out of it" but I want some role-diversity.
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Re: for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« Reply #1 on: 03 January 2021, 10:32:21 »
Firing up SAW now!  And let me just say you're my hero!  :smitten:

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Re: for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« Reply #2 on: 03 January 2021, 10:39:14 »
Since I'm starting with a fusion powered Goblin, the IFV is first.  I wasn't sure how you felt about Fractional Accounting so I turned it off.  If you turn it on (and SAW implements it correctly, which they're working on), there's room for a Paramedic (a quarter ton that comes from Controls actually being 2.25 tons vice 2.5).

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Fusion Goblin

Mass: 45 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 1,638,500 C-Bills
Total Cost: 1,666,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 840

Power Plant:  180 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  PPC
    1  SRM-6
    1  Machine Gun
    1  Infantry Compartment (3.0 tons)
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      25 points                4.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                180                      10.50
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 184                 11.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     46       
                                          Left/Right   36/36       
                                              Turret     36       
                                                Rear     30       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Machine Gun                                  FR        0         1         0.50
PPC                                          T         10        1         7.00
SRM-6                                        T         4         1         3.00
Infantry Compartment (3.0 tons)              BD        0         1         3.00
@SRM-6 (15)                                  BD        -         0         1.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 8
4t         2       2       1       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: TUR(2/2/1)

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Re: for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« Reply #3 on: 03 January 2021, 10:45:27 »
And here's the MBT Version.  It's a SLIGHTLY smaller Manticore, on the cheap even.  The extra quarter ton from Controls would go into armor for this one.  It only costs about what you'd pay for a Locust...  ^-^

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Goblin MBT

Mass: 45 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 1,642,125 C-Bills
Total Cost: 1,669,625 C-Bills
Battle Value: 915

Power Plant:  180 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  PPC
    2  LRM-5s
    1  SRM-2
    1  Machine Gun
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      25 points                4.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                180                      10.50
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 192                 12.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     46       
                                          Left/Right   37/37       
                                              Turret     41       
                                                Rear     31       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Machine Gun                                  FR        0         1         0.50
PPC                                          T         10        1         7.00
2 LRM-5s                                     T         4         2         4.00
SRM-2                                        T         2         1         1.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50
@SRM-2 (50)                                  BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 9
4t         2       2       2       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: TUR(2/2/2)

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Re: for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« Reply #4 on: 03 January 2021, 11:01:23 »
This logistics/recovery version SHOULD be able to drag away a 100-ton 'mech (10 tons of cargo, 45 tons for the Lift Hoists, and 45 tons for its tonnage).  AND it can defend itself (sort of)...

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Goblin Recovery/Logistics Vehicle

Mass: 45 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 1,370,250 C-Bills
Total Cost: 1,370,750 C-Bills
Battle Value: 480

Power Plant:  180 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  Medium Lasers
    2  Machine Guns
    2  Lift Hoists
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      25 points                4.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                180                      10.50
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 111                  7.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     26       
                                          Left/Right   21/21       
                                              Turret     22       
                                                Rear     21       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Machine Gun                                  FR        0         1         0.50
2 Lift Hoists                                T         0         2         6.00
Machine Gun                                  T         0         1         0.50
2 Medium Lasers                              T         6         2         2.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 5
4t         2       1       0       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: TUR(2/1/0)

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Re: for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« Reply #5 on: 03 January 2021, 11:05:52 »
And the Engineering Vehicle!  Dig, cut down trees, level the approach, and LAY THE BRIDGE!  >:D

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Goblin Engineering Vehicle

Mass: 45 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-E-A
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 1,544,250 C-Bills
Total Cost: 1,544,750 C-Bills
Battle Value: 426

Power Plant:  180 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Backhoe
    1  Chainsaw
    2  Machine Guns
    1  Bulldozer
    1  Bridgelayer, Heavy
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      25 points                4.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                180                      10.50
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 111                  7.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     26       
                                          Left/Right   21/21       
                                              Turret     22       
                                                Rear     21       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bulldozer                                    FR        0         1         2.00
2 Machine Guns                               FR        0         2         1.00
(R) Bridgelayer, Heavy                       RR        0         1         6.00
Backhoe                                      T         -         0         5.00
Chainsaw                                     T         -         0         5.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 4
4t         1       0       0       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: ENG, MEL, SAW, TUR()

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« Reply #6 on: 03 January 2021, 11:11:50 »
The Artillery Carrier.  I went for two tons of ammo instead of more armor.  If you authorize Fractional Accounting, it gets four more points...

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Fusion Goblin Thumper

Mass: 45 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 1,439,125 C-Bills
Total Cost: 1,448,625 C-Bills
Battle Value: 534

Power Plant:  180 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Thumper
    1  Machine Gun
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      20 points                4.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                180                      10.50
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 152                  9.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     46       
                                          Left/Right   36/36       
                                                Rear     34       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Machine Gun                                  FR        0         1         0.50
Thumper                                      FR        6         1        15.00
@Thumper (40)                                BD        -         0         2.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 5
4t         2       0       0       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: ARTT

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Re: for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« Reply #7 on: 03 January 2021, 11:17:47 »
And finally, the MASH!  Because orcs of all people understand the first rule of combat life saving is SHOOT BACK!  >:D

If Fractional Accounting is kosher, the second Front mounted MG moves to the Turret...  ^-^

6.5 tons of MASH should mean 4 operating theaters.  8)

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Fusion Goblin MASH

Mass: 45 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 1,526,125 C-Bills
Total Cost: 1,526,625 C-Bills
Battle Value: 761

Power Plant:  180 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Large Laser
    5  Machine Guns
    1  MASH (6.5 tons)
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      25 points                4.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                180                      10.50
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 197                 12.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     42       
                                          Left/Right   41/41       
                                              Turret     42       
                                                Rear     31       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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2 Machine Guns                               FR        0         2         1.00
Machine Gun                                  LS        0         1         0.50
(R) Machine Gun                              RR        0         1         0.50
Machine Gun                                  RS        0         1         0.50
Large Laser                                  T         8         1         5.00
MASH (6.5 tons)                              BD        0         1         6.50
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 8
4t         2       1       0       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: TUR(1/1/0)

PuppyLikesLaserPointers

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Re: for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« Reply #8 on: 03 January 2021, 13:31:09 »
I planned a fast vehicle, but since I can't use any XL engine I have to stick with normal fusion engine. So the result is not fast enough. Nonetheless, it may take some shots and survives.

All the chassis shares the trailer hitch to tow the other bogged down vehicles or trailers. Since the chassis is expected to be work with its sisters and brothers with same size and engine power, it is waste of time to design a recovery vehicle solely for tow the downed vehicle.

An another trait is its amphbious nature, true to its name. It does not need a bridge to cross the river, and even able to make over the horizon landing from the amphibious assault ship and provides the better bunker than hovers even if it is immobilized on the beach.

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Maack Medium Tank (MBT)

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 250 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 PPC
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3025
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-F(F*)-D-D
Cost: 2,060,000 C-bills

Type: Maack Medium Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 1,001

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    5
Engine                        250 Fusion             19
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.0
Armor Factor (Ferro)          188                  10.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         54   
     R/L Side               5/5      37/37   
     Rear                    5         20   
     Turret                  5         40   


Weapons
and Ammo                     Location    Tonnage   
Trailer Hitch                  Rear        0.0     
Trailer Hitch                 Front        0.0     
PPC                           Turret       7.0     
Combat Vehicle Chassis Mod     Body        5.0     


The MBT version have only one weapon - a PPC mounted on the turret. Lack of any ammunition means not only provides endurance, as well as eliminate the possibility of ammunition explosion, that is a good news for its crew.

Its only 10.5 tons of standard armor is quite lacking for a vehicle with such weight, but it still able to endure some hits of even the mighty AC/20 and survives. Even the weaker back can stop a shot of an AC/20. Most variants are shares the same armor points.

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Maack Medium Tank (IFV)

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 250 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 Small Laser
     2 Medium Laser
     1 Flamer
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3025
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-F(F*)-D-D
Cost: 1,941,875 C-bills

Type: Maack Medium Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 907

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    5
Engine                        250 Fusion             19
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor (Ferro)          188                  10.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         54   
     R/L Side               5/5      37/37   
     Rear                    5         20   
     Turret                  5         40   


Weapons
and Ammo                     Location    Tonnage   
Trailer Hitch                  Rear        0.0     
Trailer Hitch                 Front        0.0     
2 Medium Laser                Turret       2.0     
Recon Camera                  Turret       0.5     
Flamer                        Turret       1.0     
Small Laser                   Turret       0.5     
Combat Vehicle Chassis Mod     Body        5.0     
2 Paramedic Equipment          Body        0.5     
Infantry                       Body        3.0     


The IFV version has same armor with MBT version, and replace the PPC by more close support weapons. While two sets of medium lasers will deal with the bunkers and the other armors, a Flamer burns the enemy infantry. It also has a Recon Camera to call for the artillery support. It also lacks any ammunitions so it is safe from explosion. Since its MBT variant is not doing well against close range, it also deal with the armor with close distance as well.

It can transport around three squads(about 30?) of infantry at once, as well as having medical equipments for quick response to the wounded before they are sended to MASH.

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Maack Medium Tank (Cargo)

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 250 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 Small Laser
     1 Medium Laser
     2 Flamer
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3025
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-F(F*)-D-D
Cost: 1,797,125 C-bills

Type: Maack Medium Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 723

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    5
Engine                        250 Fusion             19
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor (Ferro)          152                   8.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         35   
     R/L Side               5/5      31/31   
     Rear                    5         24   
     Turret                  5         31   


Weapons
and Ammo                     Location    Tonnage   
Trailer Hitch                  Rear        0.0     
Trailer Hitch                 Front        0.0     
Medium Laser                  Turret       1.0     
2 Flamer                      Turret       2.0     
Small Laser                   Turret       0.5     
Combat Vehicle Chassis Mod     Body        5.0     
Cargo                          Body        6.0     


Although the cargo variant reduces already lacking armor to 8.5 tons, but still it can endure petty ambush attempts. Also, its rear armor is even better than the other version, because it was expected that the ambushers are mainly aim for its rear side.

It also have two Flamers. one medium laser and one small laser to protect it from the possible ambushers. It can carry 6 tons of cargo, which is pretty lacking, so it is recommended to run it with some trailers unless it expects heavy fire.

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Maack Medium Tank (CEV)

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 250 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 Small Laser
     1 Medium Laser
     2 Flamer
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3025
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-F(F*)-E-E
Cost: 1,990,625 C-bills

Type: Maack Medium Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 888

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    5
Engine                        250 Fusion             19
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor (Ferro)          188                  10.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         54   
     R/L Side               5/5      37/37   
     Rear                    5         20   
     Turret                  5         40   


Weapons
and Ammo                     Location    Tonnage   
2 Vehicular Mine Dispenser     Rear        1.0     
Trailer Hitch                  Rear        0.0     
Trailer Hitch                 Front        0.0     
Bulldozer                     Front        2.0     
Medium Laser                  Turret       1.0     
2 Flamer                      Turret       2.0     
Small Laser                   Turret       0.5     
Combat Vehicle Chassis Mod     Body        5.0     
Infantry                       Body        1.0     


The Engineer variant is an armed bulldozer with flamers. It is mainly for fill the holes, put the mines and burn the infantry try to stop its work. It can also transport a platoon of infantry, usually used by a team of sapper.

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Maack Medium Tank (Thumper)

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 250 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 Thumper
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3025
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-F(F*)-D-D
Cost: 1,800,500 C-bills

Type: Maack Medium Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 300

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    5
Engine                        250 Fusion             19
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor (Ferro)          44                    2.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         15   
     R/L Side               5/5      10/10   
     Rear                    5         9     


Weapons
and Ammo                     Location    Tonnage   
Trailer Hitch                  Rear        0.0     
Thumper                       Front        15.0   
Trailer Hitch                 Front        0.0     
Thumper Ammo (20)              Body        1.0     
Combat Vehicle Chassis Mod     Body        5.0     


Although it was recommended to use the artillery by the trailers, but the desperate version strips almost all armor and remove turret, then add a Thumper gun on its front. It still able to follow its sisters and brothers with same speed, though.

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Maack Medium Tank (MASH)

Mass: 50 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 250 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 Small Laser
     2 Medium Laser
     1 Flamer
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3025
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-F(F*)-D-D
Cost: 1,979,375 C-bills

Type: Maack Medium Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 907

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    5
Engine                        250 Fusion             19
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor (Ferro)          188                  10.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   5         54   
     R/L Side               5/5      37/37   
     Rear                    5         20   
     Turret                  5         40   


Weapons
and Ammo                     Location    Tonnage   
Trailer Hitch                  Rear        0.0     
Trailer Hitch                 Front        0.0     
2 Medium Laser                Turret       2.0     
Flamer                        Turret       1.0     
Small Laser                   Turret       0.5     
MASH Equipment (1 theater)     Body        3.5     
Combat Vehicle Chassis Mod     Body        5.0     
2 Paramedic Equipment          Body        0.5     


Mash vehicle is a variant of IFV, that shares the same armor point and weapons to prevent any war criminal attempt to harm its patient. It just replaces the Recon Camera and infantry compartment by MASH unit. it can be possible to replace a small laser and 2 paramedic equipment to increase the size of MASH as well.



kaliban

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Re: for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« Reply #9 on: 13 January 2021, 11:05:47 »
Just curious if the idea is an affordable and standard combat force why Fusion Engines instead of ICEs.

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Re: for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« Reply #10 on: 13 January 2021, 18:40:21 »
Logistics.  Fuel is an expensive ongoing cost that also requires you to move it around the battlefield (and thus be a target).  At 45 tons, the payback period isn't too bad.  Plus, 180 engines are all kinds of useful for other things too.

kaliban

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Re: for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« Reply #11 on: 14 January 2021, 11:31:55 »
Logistics.  Fuel is an expensive ongoing cost that also requires you to move it around the battlefield (and thus be a target).  At 45 tons, the payback period isn't too bad.  Plus, 180 engines are all kinds of useful for other things too.

In this I cannot disagree. The canon lore by 3025 indicates fusion engines are very scare and valuable but if you don't take it in consideration, your point is correct. It also goes in the direction of Energy weapons instead of Ballistic and Missile ones for the same reason.

If I was not so short in time this week, I would certainly work on that. It is a interest concept


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Re: for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« Reply #12 on: 14 January 2021, 17:19:33 »
The thing to remember about Cannonshop's universe(s) is that logistics matter (even in this fantasy flavored version).

kaliban

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Re: for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« Reply #13 on: 14 January 2021, 20:09:08 »
If I got the requirements correctly: tracked vehicle, up to 50 tons, circa 3025 tech and Fusion Engine, my suggestion is a single common chassis of 40tons, with 5/8 speed (200 rating engine), which gives a good balance between mobility, firepower and protection.

The MBT is good enough to punch any other mechs and vehicles (numeric ratios adjusted). It is fast enough to disengage from Heavy/Assault mechs if needed and has good enough armor to keep fighting (notice that too much armor is a waste and the vehicle gets immobile or destroyed by crits before armor is depleted, this is 3025!).

So, first the MBT: Some punch in all ranges but emphasis on medium/short engagements where most of the fight takes place , low dependency on ammo for long endurance in combat

Crusader MBT

Mass: 40 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 200 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Medium Laser
     1 Machine Gun
     1 LRM 5
     1 Large Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3025
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-E-D-D
Cost: 1,254,167 C-bills

Type: Crusader
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Introductory)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 40
Battle Value: 793

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    4
Engine                        200 Fusion             13
   Cruising MP: 5
   Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   11                      1
Control Equipment:                                  2.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.0
Armor Factor                  144                     9

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   4         40   
     R/L Side               4/4      24/24   
     Rear                    4         24   
     Turret                  4         32   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage      
Medium Laser                   Turret       1.0     
Machine Gun                    Turret       0.5     
LRM 5                          Turret       2.0     
Large Laser                    Turret       5.0     
LRM 5 Ammo (24)                 Body        1.0     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
   

and the IFV: I decided for 6 tons of infantry space, not sure if the preference is for foot, jump or motorized infantry. Armament concentrated in the short range and anti-vehicle/anti-infantry threats


Crusader IFV

Mass: 40 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 200 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Medium Laser
     1 Machine Gun
     2 SRM 4
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3025
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-E-D-D
Cost: 1,205,167 C-bills

Type: Crusader
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Introductory)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 40
Battle Value: 574

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    4
Engine                        200 Fusion             13
   Cruising MP: 5
   Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.0
Armor Factor                  112                     7

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   4         32   
     R/L Side               4/4      20/20   
     Rear                    4         20   
     Turret                  4         20   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage      
Medium Laser                   Turret       1.0     
Machine Gun                    Turret       0.5     
2 SRM 4s                       Turret       4.0     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
SRM 4 Ammo (25)                 Body        1.0     
Infantry                        Body        6.0     
   



 
« Last Edit: 20 January 2021, 23:50:52 by kaliban »

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Re: for a fantasy side-line (Designs needed)
« Reply #14 on: 14 January 2021, 20:12:04 »
Now, the Artillery and the Auxiliaries. All with the same engine and chassis

Crusader Artillery

Mass: 40 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 200 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Thumper
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3025
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-E-D-D
Cost: 1,169,467 C-bills

Type: Crusader
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 40
Battle Value: 355

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    4
Engine                        200 Fusion             13
   Cruising MP: 5
   Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor                  80                      5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   4         20   
     R/L Side               4/4      20/20   
     Rear                    4         20   


Weapons
and Ammo              Location    Tonnage      
Thumper                Front        15.0   
Thumper Ammo (20)       Body        1.0     
   


Crusader Engineering

Mass: 40 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 200 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3025
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-E-E-E
Cost: 1,258,367 C-bills

Type: Crusader
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 40
Battle Value: 332

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    4
Engine                        200 Fusion             13
   Cruising MP: 5
   Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor                  80                      5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   4         20   
     R/L Side               4/4      20/20   
     Rear                    4         20   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage      
Chainsaw                        Rear        5.0     
Bridge Layer                    Rear        6.0     
Bulldozer                      Front        2.0     
Machine Gun                    Front        0.5     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
Cargo                           Body        2.0     
   


Crusader MASH

Mass: 40 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 200 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Medium Laser
     1 Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3025
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-E-D-D
Cost: 1,058,867 C-bills

Type: Crusader
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 40
Battle Value: 461

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    4
Engine                        200 Fusion             13
   Cruising MP: 5
   Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor                  112                     7

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   4         32   
     R/L Side               4/4      20/20   
     Rear                    4         20   
     Turret                  4         20   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage      
Trailer Hitch                   Rear        0.0     
Medium Laser                   Turret       1.0     
Machine Gun                    Turret       0.5     
MASH Core Component             Body        3.5     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
Liquid Storage                  Body        1.0     
MASH Operation Theater          Body        1.0     
Cargo                           Body        6.0     
   


Crusader Recovery

Mass: 40 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 200 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Medium Laser
     1 Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3025
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-E-D-D
Cost: 1,128,867 C-bills

Type: Crusader
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 40
Battle Value: 437

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    4
Engine                        200 Fusion             13
   Cruising MP: 5
   Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  2.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor                  104                   6.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   4         24   
     R/L Side               4/4      20/20   
     Rear                    4         20   
     Turret                  4         20   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage      
Lift Hoist/Arresting Hoist      Left        3.0     
Lift Hoist/Arresting Hoist     Right        3.0     
Medium Laser                   Turret       1.0     
Machine Gun                    Turret       0.5     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
Infantry                        Body        6.0