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Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« on: 15 October 2021, 02:32:44 »
Started out as being specifically Niopian, but decided it was generic enough to get used anywhere:

  • Fusion power for endurance
  • Medium lasers cut down on need for ammo
  • Sprayers for putting out boats that are on fire, and a light fluid suction system to refill the tanks.
  • Paramedic gear for rescues
  • While the infantry compartment can carry infantry, I was more thinking of it as berths for rescuees.

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Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil Patrol Cutter

Mass: 25 tons
Movement Type: Hydrofoil
Power Plant: 100 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 108 kph
Maximum Speed: 162 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     2 Medium Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3150
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-D
Cost: 574,222 C-bills

Type: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Hydrofoil
Tonnage: 25
Battle Value: 419

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  2.5
Engine                        100 Fusion            4.5
Cruising MP: 10
Flank MP: 15
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.5
Lift Equipment:                                     2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor                  64                      4

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   3         14   
     R/L Side               3/3      14/14   
     Rear                    3         10   
     Turret                  3         12   


Weapons
and Ammo                     Location    Tonnage   
Mine Sweeper                   Rear        3.0     
Sprayer                        Rear       0.015   
Sprayer                        Left       0.015   
Light Fluid Suction System    Front       0.015   
Sprayer                       Right       0.015   
Paramedic Equipment            Body        0.25   
Liquid Storage (1 ton)         Body        1.0     
2 Medium Laser                Turret       2.0     
Infantry                       Body        3.0     

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Re: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« Reply #1 on: 15 October 2021, 06:34:38 »
I think you should have at least a pair of machine guns on there too. If you really are doing law enforcement you should have something to do with being able to mow down pirates because medium laser is a wee bit of a overkill. Plus you can put rubber bullets for non-lethal purposes.

I'd love see a proper coast guard cutter using the small template for naval Support surface ships with helicopter pad and hanger.
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Re: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« Reply #2 on: 15 October 2021, 11:08:11 »
Other useful equipment: lift hoist for recovery jobs, Lifeboat (Maritime)
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Re: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« Reply #3 on: 15 October 2021, 14:56:10 »
I think you should have at least a pair of machine guns on there too. If you really are doing law enforcement you should have something to do with being able to mow down pirates because medium laser is a wee bit of a overkill. Plus you can put rubber bullets for non-lethal purposes.

I figured I'd use the sprayers in a similar role.  Adding machine guns on there gets to be problematic, because I'd have to remove two items, regardless of what their weight happens to be, because the gun and the ammo take up separate slots.

At 25 tons, the Sea Skimmer only has 10 item slots available, and even dropping one medium laser would only free up one slot, despite freeing up the weight for one MG and its ammo.  I think the easiest way to do it would probably be to drop the medium laser and a sprayer, add a single MG in the turret next to the remaining ML, and add a half-ton of CASE-free ammo, since the vehicle sprayer is treated by MegaMekLab as essentially weightless and CASE takes up 1 slot in addition to its half-ton because of course it does.

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I'd love see a proper coast guard cutter using the small template for naval Support surface ships with helicopter pad and hanger.

Helipads are rather heavy, though, and there are plenty of smaller cutters.  Amusingly, the Sea Skimmer isn't much larger than a Cape class motor lifeboat / 47-ft Motor Lifeboat.  The motor lifeboats are 18 tons to the Sea Skimmer's 25 tons.

Other useful equipment: lift hoist for recovery jobs, Lifeboat (Maritime)

I'd have thrown a Lifeboat (Maritime) in there somehow, if MegaMekLab was coded to include them.  It doesn't appear to be an option under equipment.

The lift hoist?  I tried.  It's the same weight as the minesweeping gear, though, and at 3 tons, I'd have to rip a whole lot of other stuff out to accomodate it.
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Re: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« Reply #4 on: 15 October 2021, 19:42:53 »
For the AI work, just replace one Medium Laser with a Small Pulse Laser, or a Flamer/ER Flamer if you're feeling war crimey...

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Re: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« Reply #5 on: 16 October 2021, 09:29:48 »
I'd have thrown a Lifeboat (Maritime) in there somehow, if MegaMekLab was coded to include them.  It doesn't appear to be an option under equipment.

Strange. I see it listed directly above "Lift Hoist" when I sort Equipment>Other Equipment by Name. Ver. 0.49
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Re: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« Reply #6 on: 16 October 2021, 23:09:07 »
Strange. I see it listed directly above "Lift Hoist" when I sort Equipment>Other Equipment by Name. Ver. 0.49

Interesting.  On my 0.49.0 and 0.49.3, they only show up for Support Vehicles, not Combat Vehicles.
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Re: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« Reply #7 on: 17 October 2021, 02:42:35 »
OK, setting aside the lifeboat issue, I've made some tweaks.  First, the premise:

  • I wanted to use a 100-rating fusion engine.  This would allow me to use it with "Kegverse" Niops.
  • Keep the tech fairly universal, good for multiple eras and factions (ignoring the Sea Skimmer being Lyran, of course)
  • Make it a multi-role rescue boat, patrol boat, etc.

So, with that in mind, and taking into account the comments in the thread, I started assembling a list of "must-haves", keeping in mind that, at 25-tons, a Sea Skimmer has 10 slots to work with:

  • Infantry bay to represent, well, an infantry bay, but also space that could be used to hold recovered crews when doing rescue work.  This takes up 1 slot
  • Lift hoist to let it tow disabled boats.  That fills up a second slot.
  • A Sprayer for putting out fires, along with a light fluid suction system to let it fill its internal liquid tank.  Three more slots used, so now we're up to 5 slots used.
  • An anti-personnel weapon that works in most eras, which meant a machine gun or flamer.  Machine gun + ammo =2 more slots, but it isn't a war crime, so that's nice.  MegaMekLab lists 0 slots for the ammo, but it ends up taking one anyway, but whatever.  Seven slots used.
  • Paramedic equipment for treating injured shipwreck survivors.  That makes 8 slots used.
  • Searchlights for finding crippled boats and ships at night.  Hey, handheld searchlights are 0 slots.  Nice!
  • Some sort of anti-armor weapon larger than a machine gun, that would let it still damage armored vehicles and 'Mechs.  I went with the ubiquitous medium laser, which loses a little on max damage compared to an SRM-4, but has comparable average damage, and works out to be two tons lighter with the lack of ammo.  One more slot used, for 9 total.
  • Mine sweeping gear, to help keep shipping lanes and ports open.  This used up the last slot.
  • No maritime lifeboat still, since that appears to be support vehicle only.

So, yeah, I think this overall is an improvement compared to my first attempt.  It can't hold quite as many passengers or infantry, but it's overall more flexible.

Thoughts?

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Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil (Patrol Cutter)

Mass: 25 tons
Movement Type: Hydrofoil
Power Plant: 100 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 108 kph
Maximum Speed: 162 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Medium Laser
     1 Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 2867
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-E-D-D
Cost: 570,356 C-bills

Type: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Hydrofoil
Tonnage: 25
Battle Value: 259

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  2.5
Engine                        100 Fusion            4.5
Cruising MP: 10
Flank MP: 15
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.5
Lift Equipment:                                     2.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor                  32                      2

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   3         9     
     R/L Side               3/3       7/7   
     Rear                    3         4     
     Turret                  3         5     


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage   
Lift Hoist/Arresting Hoist      Rear        3.0     
Searchlight                     Rear       0.005   
Searchlight                     Left       0.005   
Mine Sweeper                   Front        3.0     
Searchlight                    Front       0.005   
Light Fluid Suction System     Front       0.015   
Searchlight                    Right       0.005   
Medium Laser                   Turret       1.0     
Sprayer                        Turret      0.015   
Machine Gun                    Turret       0.5     
Searchlight                    Turret      0.005   
Paramedic Equipment             Body        0.25   
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
Cargo (Liquid)                  Body    0.49999999999999994
Infantry                        Body        2.5     
« Last Edit: 17 October 2021, 02:44:16 by Giovanni Blasini »
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Re: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« Reply #8 on: 17 October 2021, 04:06:38 »
Interesting.  On my 0.49.0 and 0.49.3, they only show up for Support Vehicles, not Combat Vehicles.

Quote from: Tech Manual, 4th printing, p. 227
Tech Base: Clan and Inner Sphere
Unit Restrictions: Only Naval Combat and Support Vehicles, as well as Support Vehicles with the Amphibious Chassis Modification may install maritime lifeboats[...]
Emphasis added.

MML does indeed have a bug, it allows lifeboats for CVs only for Wheeled, Tracked, Hover, VTOL and WiGE, but NOT for Displacement, Hydrofoil and Submarine (excactly reversed to TM).
I saw it in the Other Equipment list while having a WiGE open. Sorry for the misinformation.
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Re: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« Reply #9 on: 17 October 2021, 05:12:07 »
Gio, you can get a slot back by swapping the MG and ammo for a Small Pulse Laser.  Of course, that doesn't give you any weight back...

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Re: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« Reply #10 on: 17 October 2021, 05:14:32 »
It’s also mot available during the Succession Wars, and while it lists something like 3150 for the year, I’m trying to keep this era and faction independent.
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Re: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« Reply #11 on: 17 October 2021, 05:17:31 »
Ah, ok... Flamer it is, then!  8)

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Re: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« Reply #12 on: 17 October 2021, 05:24:18 »
That’s…uh, shall we say…we’ll, could you picture the Coast Guard swapping a Ma Deuce on a cutter for a flamethrower?
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Re: Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil - Patrol Cutter
« Reply #13 on: 17 October 2021, 05:39:21 »
Only if they had the actual same range and AOE (which they SO don't in real life).

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« Reply #14 on: 12 June 2022, 14:56:32 »
I really like this.

Stat the ship as propelled by water-jets and it's an easy link to a whole system of sprayer/pumps/jets
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