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Sir Chaos

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Tank Designs for the LosTech Draft project
« on: 29 January 2021, 13:52:49 »
These two tank designs are intended for the LosTech Draft project over in the Fanfiction forum. They represent an effort of the DCMS to improve the usefulness of their conventional vehicle forces, with a focus on slow, tough vehicles in the heavy and assault mass range - capable of outgunning (and outlasting) anything they encounter, and outrunning any static defense ever built.

The Bulldog II is derived, unsurprisingly, from the venerable Bulldog heavy tank, with the general idea taking both the standard and LRM version, mashing them together, and scaling them up (and also more than doubling the armor protection at the cost of speed); the new design has a fusion rather than combustion engine, both to save weight and make the energy weapons more viable.

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Bulldog II Heavy Tank Base Tech Level: Introductory (IS)
Level
Era
Experimental
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Advanced
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Standard
2900+
Tech Rating: E/X-E-D-D  Weight: 75 tons BV: 1,329 Cost: 3,752,000 C-bills Source: LosTech Draft  Movement: 3/5 (Tracked) Engine: 225 Fusion  Internal: 40 Armor: 240

Internal Armor
Front 8 58
Right 8 48
Left 8 48
Rear 8 38
Turret 8 48


Weapons Loc Heat
Machine Gun FR 0
Machine Gun RS 0
Machine Gun LS 0
Large Laser TU 8
Medium Laser TU 3
LRM 15 TU 5
LRM 15 TU 5
SRM 4 TU 3
SRM 4 TU 3

Ammo Loc Shots
SRM 4 Ammo BD 50
LRM 15 Ammo BD 16
Half Machine Gun Ammo BD 100

The Rhino II is based on the Rhino, utilizing the time-honored design principle "nothing fancy, just more of what´s already there" - more mass, more LRMs, more armor. Also, three medium lasers for short-range defense, and three machine guns, because being taken out by infantry is embarassing even for mere conventional vehicles.

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Rhino II Assault Tank Base Tech Level: Introductory (IS)
Level
Era
Experimental
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Advanced
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Standard
2900+
Tech Rating: E/X-E-D-D  Weight: 90 tons BV: 1,571 Cost: 4,855,450 C-bills Source: LosTech Draft  Movement: 2/3 (Tracked) Engine: 180 Fusion  Internal: 45 Armor: 320

Internal Armor
Front 9 80
Right 9 64
Left 9 64
Rear 9 48
Turret 9 64

Weapons Loc Heat
Medium Laser FR 3
Medium Laser FR 3
Medium Laser FR 3
Machine Gun FR 0
Machine Gun RS 0
Machine Gun LS 0
LRM 20 TU 6
LRM 20 TU 6
LRM 20 TU 6

Ammo Loc Shots
LRM 20 Ammo BD 48
Half Machine Gun Ammo BD 100
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Re: Tank Designs for the LosTech Draft project
« Reply #1 on: 29 January 2021, 17:07:32 »
Nice, I like them. The Rhino II is going to be a great companion to the Behemoth. The DCMS tank corps is certainly going to be a very different beast in these alternative Succession Wars.

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Re: Tank Designs for the LosTech Draft project
« Reply #2 on: 29 January 2021, 18:15:05 »
Thanks for opening this thread!  :thumbsup:

Here are my various Alphard Trading Corporation variants of the J. Edgar the Lothian League is now supporting with spares from Pinard ever since Alphard was taken over by that facsist O'Reilly...

Note: All use the stock J. Edgar armor disposition, despite the fact one point of armor SHOULD be moved from the turret to the rear, and two more points should be moved to the sides...  Fractional Accounting changes these equations a LOT (4 points of armor solves ALL these problems)!

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J. Edgar Flamer IFV

Mass: 25 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Hovercraft
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 778,750 C-Bills
Total Cost: 778,750 C-Bills
Battle Value: 459

Power Plant:  145 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 118.8 km/h
Flanking Speed: 183.6 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Medium Laser
    2  Flamers
    1  Infantry Compartment (1.0 tons)
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      15 points                2.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                145                       7.50
    Cruise MP:  11
    Flank MP:   17
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            2.50
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 104                  6.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     30       
                                          Left/Right   19/19       
                                              Turret     24       
                                                Rear     12       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser                                 T         3         1         1.00
2 Flamers                                    T         6         2         2.00
Infantry Compartment (1.0 tons)              BD        0         1         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 5
11h        1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: ENE, TUR(1/1/0)

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J. Edgar APC

Mass: 25 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Hovercraft
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 756,250 C-Bills
Total Cost: 756,250 C-Bills
Battle Value: 428

Power Plant:  145 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 118.8 km/h
Flanking Speed: 183.6 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Medium Laser
    1  Infantry Compartment (3.0 tons)
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      15 points                2.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                145                       7.50
    Cruise MP:  11
    Flank MP:   17
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            2.50
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 104                  6.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     30       
                                          Left/Right   19/19       
                                              Turret     24       
                                                Rear     12       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser                                 T         3         1         1.00
Infantry Compartment (3.0 tons)              BD        0         1         3.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 4
11h        1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: ENE, TUR(1/1/0)

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J. Edgar Ambulance

Mass: 25 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Hovercraft
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 778,750 C-Bills
Total Cost: 778,750 C-Bills
Battle Value: 428

Power Plant:  145 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 118.8 km/h
Flanking Speed: 183.6 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Medium Laser
    2  Paramedics
    1  Infantry Compartment (2.5 tons)
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      15 points                2.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                145                       7.50
    Cruise MP:  11
    Flank MP:   17
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            2.50
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 104                  6.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     30       
                                          Left/Right   19/19       
                                              Turret     24       
                                                Rear     12       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser                                 T         3         1         1.00
2 Paramedics                                 BD        0         2         0.50
Infantry Compartment (2.5 tons)              BD        0         1         2.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 4
11h        1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: ENE, TUR(1/1/0)

And possibly (it fills all the holes!):
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J. Edgar Recon Tank

Mass: 25 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Hovercraft
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-A
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 908,125 C-Bills
Total Cost: 908,125 C-Bills
Battle Value: 688

Power Plant:  145 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 118.8 km/h
Flanking Speed: 183.6 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    3  Medium Lasers
    1  Small Laser
    1  Recon Camera
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      15 points                2.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                145                       7.50
    Cruise MP:  11
    Flank MP:   17
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            2.50
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 104                  6.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     30       
                                          Left/Right   19/19       
                                              Turret     24       
                                                Rear     12       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 Medium Lasers                              T         9         3         3.00
Small Laser                                  T         1         1         0.50
Recon Camera                                 T         0         1         0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 7
11h        2       2       0       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: ENE, TUR(2/2/0)

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Re: Tank Designs for the LosTech Draft project
« Reply #3 on: 29 January 2021, 18:22:07 »
What if you just put a SFE in a Bulldog... Saves 14 tons. 4 tons armor, LRM15 w/ 16 shots. Pretty nice MBT while still moving 4/6.

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Re: Tank Designs for the LosTech Draft project
« Reply #4 on: 29 January 2021, 23:52:05 »
What if you just put a SFE in a Bulldog... Saves 14 tons. 4 tons armor, LRM15 w/ 16 shots. Pretty nice MBT while still moving 4/6.

Sir Chaos wanted to put these vehicles in a 'shock attack' role, and while a more efficent Bulldog would be nice, it doesn't exactly fit into the 'press of pike' mentality that the Shock Ashigaru Regiments have.  They are to put it simply, blunt force, applied liberally to the enemy so that the rattle of the spears might distract him from the true blow of the Samurai.

...though, I should imagine that some 'Shock Ashigaru' are actually over-strength regiments of normal combat vehicles, huge unwieldy formations of 300+ Scorpions or 200 Saracen derivatives.

Btw, here, have the QUADRA-SCORPION, which is two AC scorpions glued to two LRM scorpions.  14 tons of armor don't *quite* quadruple the old layout, but it can take quite the pounding before crying uncle.

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Quadra-Scorpion Tank

Mass: 80 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: SitiCide 240FC
Cruising Speed: 32.4 kph
Maximum Speed: 54 kph
Armor: ProtecTech Light
Armament:
     3 Machine Gun
     2 AC/5
     2 LRM 5
     2 LRM 10
Manufacturer: Joint Equipment Systems
     Primary Factory: Ashlain
Communication System: Quikscell Basix 400
Targeting & Tracking System: Quikscell OptiSight 12
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-D
Cost: 3,236,400 C-bills

Type: Quadra-Scorpion
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 80
Battle Value: 1,181

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    8
Engine                        240 Fuel Cell          14
Cruising MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks:                   1                       0
Control Equipment:                                  4.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             3.0
Armor Factor                  224                    14

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   8         56   
     R/L Side               8/8      38/38   
     Rear                    8         36   
     Turret                  8         56   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage   
Trailer Hitch                   Rear        0.0     
Machine Gun                     Left        0.5     
Machine Gun                    Front        0.5     
Machine Gun                    Right        0.5     
2 LRM 5s                       Turret       4.0     
2 AC/5s                        Turret       16.0   
2 LRM 10s                      Turret       10.0   
LRM 5 Ammo (24)                 Body        1.0     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
AC/5 Ammo (40)                  Body        2.0     
LRM 10 Ammo (24)                Body        2.0     

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Re: Tank Designs for the LosTech Draft project
« Reply #5 on: 30 January 2021, 08:52:58 »
Sir Chaos wanted to put these vehicles in a 'shock attack' role, and while a more efficent Bulldog would be nice, it doesn't exactly fit into the 'press of pike' mentality that the Shock Ashigaru Regiments have.  They are to put it simply, blunt force, applied liberally to the enemy so that the rattle of the spears might distract him from the true blow of the Samurai.

Exactly. I imagine the Bulldog II at the front lines, with a similar role as the Manticore (I even almost made it a Manticore II), with the Rhino II as long-range fire support - as stated in the description, "the same, only more so" compared to the original Rhino.

Of course, the Rhino II can also deliver indirect fire... just imagine the look on the enemy mechwarrior´s face when he jumps over whatever obstacle a lance of Rhino II were hiding behind, expecting LRM Carriers that fall apart when you sneeze at them, but instead getting the individed attention of a dozen medium lasers on vehicles that just won´t die.

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...though, I should imagine that some 'Shock Ashigaru' are actually over-strength regiments of normal combat vehicles, huge unwieldy formations of 300+ Scorpions or 200 Saracen derivatives.

The new designs are pretty expensive, with their fusion engines - and those fusion engines aren´t available in unlimited numbers no matter how high the budget is. So I think it´s more a case of a company of these vehicles per battalion for most line units - more for elite units like the Sword of Light, less for Legion of Vega or militia formations.

Though "overstrength is probably a good cue. 4 battalions per regiment: 3 line battalions with heavy and assault vehicles, 1 skirmisher battalion with lighter, faster units - mostly hovercraft and VTOLs - whose main jobs are scouting, and keeping away flankers.

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Btw, here, have the QUADRA-SCORPION, which is two AC scorpions glued to two LRM scorpions.  14 tons of armor don't *quite* quadruple the old layout, but it can take quite the pounding before crying uncle.

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Quadra-Scorpion Tank

Mass: 80 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: SitiCide 240FC
Cruising Speed: 32.4 kph
Maximum Speed: 54 kph
Armor: ProtecTech Light
Armament:
     3 Machine Gun
     2 AC/5
     2 LRM 5
     2 LRM 10
Manufacturer: Joint Equipment Systems
     Primary Factory: Ashlain
Communication System: Quikscell Basix 400
Targeting & Tracking System: Quikscell OptiSight 12
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-D
Cost: 3,236,400 C-bills

Type: Quadra-Scorpion
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 80
Battle Value: 1,181

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    8
Engine                        240 Fuel Cell          14
Cruising MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks:                   1                       0
Control Equipment:                                  4.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             3.0
Armor Factor                  224                    14

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   8         56   
     R/L Side               8/8      38/38   
     Rear                    8         36   
     Turret                  8         56   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage   
Trailer Hitch                   Rear        0.0     
Machine Gun                     Left        0.5     
Machine Gun                    Front        0.5     
Machine Gun                    Right        0.5     
2 LRM 5s                       Turret       4.0     
2 AC/5s                        Turret       16.0   
2 LRM 10s                      Turret       10.0   
LRM 5 Ammo (24)                 Body        1.0     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
AC/5 Ammo (40)                  Body        2.0     
LRM 10 Ammo (24)                Body        2.0     


That is both amazing and horrifying, but in a good way.
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Daryk

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Re: Tank Designs for the LosTech Draft project
« Reply #6 on: 30 January 2021, 10:05:27 »
For true horror, replace the AC/5s with Thumper Artillery Cannons and Fuel-Air munitions...  >:D

(It'll cost you the LRM5s, but it's SOOO worth it...  ^-^)

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Re: Tank Designs for the LosTech Draft project
« Reply #7 on: 30 January 2021, 10:40:00 »
It's hillarous that für Quadra-Scorpion works out so well. Nixe design

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Re: Tank Designs for the LosTech Draft project
« Reply #8 on: 30 January 2021, 17:36:22 »
It's hilarious that für Quadra-Scorpion works out so well. Nice design
It needs a different name though. How about Swammerdami, for the largest scorpion found on Earth?

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Re: Tank Designs for the LosTech Draft project
« Reply #9 on: 31 January 2021, 08:21:29 »
It needs a different name though. How about Swammerdami, for the largest scorpion found on Earth?

How about "Scorpion King"?

The Notable Pilots entry in the TRO should then be about a Dwayne Johnson who fought on a desert world somewhere.
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-Frederick the Great

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- Inscription on cannon barrel, 18th century

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Re: Tank Designs for the LosTech Draft project
« Reply #10 on: 31 January 2021, 09:10:31 »
Oddly, I just re-ran my J. Edgars through SAW, and got prices about 100K cheaper (with identical BV and equipment).  Not sure what's going on there...  ???

Also, two more variants to round out the fleet:  The C2 version has 3 tons of Communications Equipment, and the Recovery Vehicle has a Lift Hoist.  Every variant is at least armed with a Medium Laser.

C2 Variants: 1 per Mechanized Infantry Battalion
Recovery Vehicles: 4 per Mechanized Infantry Battalion
Recon Tanks: 1 + 1 Company per Mechanized Infantry Battalion
APC: 1 per Mechanized Infantry Company
IFV: 3 per Mechanized Infantry Company

A Battalion lays out as
HQ Lance: 1 C2, 2 APCs, 1 Recon Tank, 2 platoons of infantry (1 Staff, 1 Security)
2 Recovery Lances: 2 Recovery Vehicles, 2 APCs, 2 platoons of infantry (organic maintenance for the Battalion) each
Recon Company: 12 Recon Tanks
3 Line Companies: 1 APC, 3 IFVs and 2 platoons of infantry each

Paulinus is held by a minimal (ground) force consisting of:
HQ Lance
1 Recovery Lance
1 Lance Recon Tanks
1 Line Company
They're based out of a Manatee at the landing field formerly used by the raiders.

 

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