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RevenVrake

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A lighter Rotunda...
« on: 01 May 2022, 12:23:10 »
Now, I love the Rotunda SLDF scout car. I mean...it can be disguised to look like anything on the road and often looks like a sedan.

*Knight Rider Intensifies*

But one problem is its weight. It does weigh 20 tons. That thing can't go over a lot of small bridges even though it looks like it should.

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Growler Scout Car GSC-01

Mass: 10 tons
Movement Type: Wheeled
Power Plant: 60 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 86.4 kph
Maximum Speed: 129.6 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     2 Medium Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 2755
Tech Rating/Availability: E/D-F(F*)-D-D
Cost: 225,750 C-bills

Type: Growler Scout Car
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Wheeled
Tonnage: 10
Battle Value: 389

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    1
Engine                        60 Fusion             2.5
Cruising MP: 8
Flank MP: 12
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  0.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor (Ferro)          71                      4

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   1         21   
     R/L Side               1/1      15/15   
     Rear                    1         20   


Weapons
and Ammo              Location    Tonnage   
2 Medium Laser         Front        2.0     

So let's drop that weight down to 10 tons. Give it couple of medium lasers (maybe concealed behind the headlights?) and give it the fusion engine out of an Urbanmech. This lets this 10 ton scout car move along at the same pace as a Locust off road and if you manage to get on pavement you can speed along pretty good.

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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #1 on: 01 May 2022, 13:10:15 »
If you really want to go this direction, why not go ALL the way?  ^-^

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Bug Scout Car

Mass: 5 tons
Tech Base: Mixed
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-D
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 90,542 C-Bills
Total Cost: 90,542 C-Bills
Battle Value: 179

Construction Options: Fractional Accounting

Power Plant:  25 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 97.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 151.2 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  (IS) Medium Laser
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                       4 points                0.500
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 25                       0.750
    Cruise MP:  9
    Flank MP:   14
Heat Sinks:         (IS) Single Heat Sink        10                        0.000
Control Equipment:                                                         0.250
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.000
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  28                  1.750

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     10         
                                          Left/Right    6/6         
                                                Rear     6         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(IS) Medium Laser                            FR        3         1         1.000

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      1    Points: 2
9w         1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  0
Special Abilities: ENE

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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #2 on: 01 May 2022, 14:49:09 »
I like it... 
now I'm thinking about 1 built with clan tech for Watch/GS Seeker
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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #3 on: 01 May 2022, 20:41:53 »
At ten tons gross the thing would still be the same weight as a semi-tractor or the GVW of a fully loaded 20 to 26ft class 6 box truck.  Even if it was very dense it'd be hard to hide how heavy the thing was just from the heft of the wheels and axles required for that load.  Five tons is reasonable, that you can actually hide as a chunky civilian SUV or custom van.  You take a suburban or an E350 and slab some kevlar/ceramic plates on her and ballistic glass and you can end up about that heavy.

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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #4 on: 01 May 2022, 20:58:54 »
I like it... 
now I'm thinking about 1 built with clan tech for Watch/GS Seeker
my take on this idea for a Clan Watch vehicle.

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Clan Micro Rotunda "Wild Dog"

Mass: 5 tons
Movement Type: Wheeled
Power Plant: 15 ICE
Cruising Speed: 75.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 118.8 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     2 Heavy Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-C
Cost: 94,044 C-bills

Type:
Technology Base: Clan (Standard)
Movement Type: Wheeled
Tonnage: 5
Battle Value: 100

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  0.5
Engine                        15 ICE                  1
Cruising MP: 7
Flank MP: 11
Heat Sinks:                   0                       0
Control Equipment:                                  0.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor                  24                    1.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   1         8     
     R/L Side               1/1       6/6   
     Rear                    1         4     


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage   
2 Heavy Machine Gun            Front        1.0     
Heavy Machine Gun Ammo (50)     Body        0.5     




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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #5 on: 02 May 2022, 03:20:30 »
IIRC I did something like this using fractional accounting:

5 tons wheeled
.5 tons structure
.25 tons controls
.75 tons 25 SFE (9/14)
1 ton armor (5/3/5)
ML front
Flamer rear
.5 tons cargo

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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #6 on: 02 May 2022, 03:22:25 »
Whoops... forgot the second Medium Laser...  :-[

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Bug Scout Car

Mass: 5 tons
Tech Base: Mixed
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D-D
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 126,417 C-Bills
Total Cost: 126,417 C-Bills
Battle Value: ~267

Construction Options: Fractional Accounting

Power Plant:  25 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 97.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 151.2 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  (IS) Medium Lasers
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                       4 points                0.500
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 25                       0.750
    Cruise MP:  9
    Flank MP:   14
Heat Sinks:         (IS) Single Heat Sink        10                        0.000
Control Equipment:                                                         0.250
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.000
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  28                  1.750

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     10         
                                          Left/Right    6/6         
                                                Rear     6         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(IS) Medium Laser                            FR        3         1         1.000
(IS) Medium Laser                            FR        3         1         1.000

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      1    Points: 2
9w         1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  0
Special Abilities: ENE

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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #7 on: 02 May 2022, 06:33:03 »
Daryk, that adds up to 5,250kg...
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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #8 on: 02 May 2022, 06:47:12 »
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I'm still waiting for a "car" to have a laser front, a vehicle flamer in the back so oil slicks. So it can be dropped oil as it speeds away causing piloting rolls for the guys chasing it.
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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #9 on: 02 May 2022, 11:19:38 »
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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #10 on: 02 May 2022, 19:18:30 »
Dang it... I hate that SAW doesn't do Fractional Accounting right yet...  It should have 4 fewer points of armor, unless you go for Ferro...  :P

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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #11 on: 02 May 2022, 19:31:26 »
I'm not saying you should go full Knight Rider or anything...

But on vehicles ten tons or less a robotic control system weighs nothing. It really can have an AI.
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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #12 on: 02 May 2022, 21:07:48 »
Good idea for a scout :thumbsup:

(But it's only for units weighing less than 10 tons in total mass that the robotic control system adds no weight.)
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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #13 on: 02 May 2022, 23:13:27 »
I'm not saying you should go full Knight Rider or anything...

But on vehicles ten tons or less a robotic control system weighs nothing. It really can have an AI.
interesting...  okay so I put this together

GS-"Cossack" Recon Vehicle
Designed to provide a single experienced members of the Watch with a "covert" transport option concealed in a stylish SUV design.  It can allow them to scout out areas without breaking cover, and if need by deploy on foot.  But even on foot the Cossack provides it user with support with a "limited" AI controls that can respond to the user command at a distance.

Built into the front end is a Micro Pulse Laser designed to give the unit, limited combat options while to the rear there is a Sprayer System design to allow the vehicle limited distractions while disengaging.


Equipment    
   Mass
Equipment       Mass
Internal Structure:       0.5
Engine:    25    0.75
Type:    Fusion    
Cruise MP:    9    
Flank MP:    14    
Heat Sinks:    10    0.0
Control Equipment:       0.5
Lift Equipment:       0.0
Power Amplifier:       0.0
Turret:       0.0
Armor Factor FF:    29    1.5
   Armor
Value
Front    9
L/R Side    8/8
Rear    4
   
Weapons and Ammo    Location    Tons
Micro Pulse Laser         F               0.5
Sprayer                         R               0.5
Tank                              B               0.25
Light Active Probe        B               0.5
Robotic Control System  B           0.0


DOC, that engine needs another quarter ton of "shielding"...
The weight was there, just the design program never showed it...  but when I added it up it was .25 short.   :thumbsup:

modified to answer Daryk comment and add my poor fluff
« Last Edit: 03 May 2022, 16:49:02 by DOC_Agren »
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Re: A lighter Rotunda...
« Reply #14 on: 03 May 2022, 03:18:32 »
DOC, that engine needs another quarter ton of "shielding"...

 

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