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FastConcentrate8

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The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« on: 17 May 2022, 10:47:41 »
So, a nation with Inner Sphere tech wants for their Marine Corps an IFV with some very particular requirements. Unlike most IS Marine Corps, this one in addition to ship board security and boarding is also tasked with securing landing zones for DropShip Assaults and Planetary Beach Heads. As such, they want a jump capable IFV so that Marine Infantry Units can be instantly mechanized upon hitting the ground in an orbital drop or a hover drop.

The only weight requirement is that it must be able to fit in a light vehicle bay.

Era is Immediate Pre-Clan Invasion (Late 3040s).

AlphaMirage

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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #1 on: 17 May 2022, 11:51:32 »
sounds like they want a WiGE, most of them are kinda built around that concept although they do require advanced engines which would be very rare in the 3040s

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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #2 on: 17 May 2022, 12:19:09 »
sounds like they want a WiGE, most of them are kinda built around that concept although they do require advanced engines which would be very rare in the 3040s
I was aiming more towards something like the Kanga of the old SLDF since that one is more achievable with 3040s tech.

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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #3 on: 17 May 2022, 13:11:32 »
You can also fit vehicular drop chutes to hover craft and spend the extra money for amphibious chassis, you don't need jump jets. Although I suppose it is one of the things to think about and I cannot believe I didn't consider it when I wrote my conventional warfare guide.

What extra functionality, besides being able to hover in place and go faster, does a jumping hover tank gain over the WiGE which can already clear some basic obstacles that hovercraft cannot?

FastConcentrate8

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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #4 on: 17 May 2022, 13:17:20 »
You can also fit vehicular drop chutes to hover craft and spend the extra money for amphibious chassis, you don't need jump jets. Although I suppose it is one of the things to think about and I cannot believe I didn't consider it when I wrote my conventional warfare guide.

What extra functionality, besides being able to hover in place and go faster, does a jumping hover tank gain over the WiGE which can already clear some basic obstacles that hovercraft cannot?
As you said, it lacks most of the dependency on rare/unavailable technology for the era. Other than that, I don't know due to being unfamiliar with WiGE rules and capabilities.

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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #5 on: 17 May 2022, 18:31:15 »
Wait, what?

Since when do WIGE's require "advanced" engines?  ???

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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #6 on: 17 May 2022, 19:37:57 »
It's not that they require advanced engines it just that the canon ones almost all use XL or Light engines since they were really introduced post Jihad

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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #7 on: 18 May 2022, 03:21:41 »
Ah, ok.  Here's my initial stab at a WiGE Platoon Carrier:

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WiGE Platoon Carrier

Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: WiGE
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-C-C-C
Production Year: 3025
Dry Cost: 1,537,500 C-Bills
Total Cost: 1,594,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 673

Power Plant:  210 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 75.6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 118.8 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  LRM-5s
    1  SRM-2
    1  Infantry Compartment (3.0 tons)
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      25 points                5.00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                210                      18.00
    Cruise MP:  7
    Flank MP:   11
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            5.00
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 144                  9.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     36       
                                          Left/Right   26/26       
                                              Turret     30       
                                                Rear     26       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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2 LRM-5s                                     T         4         2         4.00
SRM-2                                        T         2         1         1.00
Infantry Compartment (3.0 tons)              BD        0         1         3.00
@LRM-5 (24)                                  BD        -         0         1.00
@SRM-2 (50)                                  BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 7
7g         1       1       1       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(1/1/1), IF 1

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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #8 on: 24 May 2022, 17:35:48 »
Currently playing Mass Effect ;)

An armored Motive system is imo essential if you want to use Jump jets in a vehicle.

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Mako Infantry Fighting Vehicle M35 Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level
Era
Experimental
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Advanced
3145+
Standard
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Tech Rating: E/X-X-X-E  Weight: 50 tons BV: 789 Cost: 4,419,375 C-bills  Movement: 4/6(8)/4 (Wheeled) Engine: 180 Fusion  Internal: 25 Armor: 120

Internal
Armor


Front   5 28
Right   5 22
Left     5 22
Rear    5 20
Turret  5 28


 
Weapons         Loc   Heat

PPC                 TU    10

Machine Gun    TU     0

Machine Gun    TU     0

Vehicular Grenade Launcher  TU  1

Vehicular Grenade Launcher  TU  1

 
Ammo    Loc    Shots

Half Machine Gun Ammo  BD  100

 
Equipment    Loc

Armored Motive System  BD

Supercharger   BD

Carrying Capacity Troops - 3.0 tons
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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #9 on: 24 May 2022, 17:39:16 »
Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but,  wasn't the Kanga essentially "lostech" by the 3040's?
They quite literally couldn't figure out how they made it work the first time?
To the point so much so that it was no longer rules legal at the tournament level?
Sort of how LAMs disappeared, only, even more-so.
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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #10 on: 24 May 2022, 17:42:19 »
Can a WIGE launch from a dropship in atmosphere?
From a Vehicle Bay?
3041: General Lance Hawkins: The Equalizers
3053: Star Colonel Rexor Kerensky: The Silver Wolves

"I don't shoot Urbanmechs, I walk up, stomp on their foot, wait for the head to pop open & drop in a hand grenade (or Elemental)" - Joel47
Against mechs, infantry have two options: Run screaming from Godzilla, or giggle under your breath as the arrogant fools blunder into your trap. - Weirdo

FastConcentrate8

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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #11 on: 24 May 2022, 18:08:26 »
Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but,  wasn't the Kanga essentially "lostech" by the 3040's?
They quite literally couldn't figure out how they made it work the first time?
To the point so much so that it was no longer rules legal at the tournament level?
Sort of how LAMs disappeared, only, even more-so.
This is for an AU. While the Kanga was LosTech, the discovery of several pristine examples in an SLDF Cache by the Successor State in question lead to them being prime targets for reverse engineering by Military Industry.

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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #12 on: 24 May 2022, 18:14:34 »
Can a WIGE launch from a dropship in atmosphere?
From a Vehicle Bay?
I believe they can... not sure of the page reference at the moment...

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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #13 on: 24 May 2022, 18:20:00 »
Personally I would more rely on Jump Infantry deployed via VTOL.

As on the Kanga: The Key for the Kangas Success was its revolutionary Computer system which  was able to precisly control the Jumpjets. Anyone could put some Jets on nearly any Vehicle. But you have to precisely control the bursts. Since you will also need them to soften the Landing Impact, hence the reason I equipped an Armored Motive system on the Mako. It lessens the possibility of impact damage on said motive system.
« Last Edit: 24 May 2022, 18:26:10 by Coldstone »
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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #14 on: 24 May 2022, 19:35:07 »
I believe they can... not sure of the page reference at the moment...

StratOps pg 23 on the old printing, not sure where it is in the new one, WiGE's can expend 5MP to stay airborne (I guess Wigging...) or land, additionally any VTOL can do similiarly

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Re: The Marines want an IFV with a twist.
« Reply #15 on: 24 May 2022, 19:45:55 »
Thanks!  If I find the new page references, i'll post them here.  :thumbsup:

 

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