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Title: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 28 March 2022, 01:48:22
(http://i.imgur.com/ogprVbrm.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ogprVbr)

Preorders will start later this week.

(https://i.imgur.com/Bj9y8dQ.jpg)
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: PyreLight on 28 March 2022, 04:39:20
Looks absolutely stunning and I can't believe it's over two years since last time we got a new mech chassis. I'll be preordering this for sure.

Happy to see Mechwarrior 5 and Online getting this love from the teams at PGI.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Cyc on 28 March 2022, 05:06:44
So now the guessing game begin. If they stick to old school standard pack means at least three variants, add-on could add two more, and then a Hero.

CDR-3R is a given, and likely 5M but what beyond that? Lot of non-lore players want the 8S without realising how much that will be compromised in the conversion, where 5K (more lasers) does make sense.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 28 March 2022, 10:53:00
So now the guessing game begin. If they stick to old school standard pack means at least three variants, add-on could add two more, and then a Hero.
I hope that PGI will publish the Crusader preorder soon.


CDR-3R is a given, and likely 5M but what beyond that? Lot of non-lore players want the 8S without realising how much that will be compromised in the conversion, where 5K (more lasers) does make sense.
Not many players run stock builds in MWO.

Crusader is going to compete against Roughneck and Catapult:
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Maingunnery on 28 March 2022, 11:51:45

Maybe it will get the bonuses to run like an effective SRM/MRM boat?
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 28 March 2022, 14:44:23
Maybe it will get the bonuses to run like an effective SRM/MRM boat?

Perhaps. We do not know.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Cyc on 28 March 2022, 16:24:31
Any variant with missile hardpoint inflation of the torsos over the arms likely to see increased popularity.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Deadborder on 28 March 2022, 19:47:00
My immediate thought is the CRD-8S for a Torso Ballistic and Jump Jets
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 28 March 2022, 23:42:40
My immediate thought is the CRD-8S for a Torso Ballistic and Jump Jets
There is one big problem with CRD-8S: Its Heavy Gauss Rifle is split between it side torso and its center torso. You can not do that in MechWarrior Online.

Thus, it would require either adjusting the -8S variant or creating a new "Piranha" variant.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Deadborder on 29 March 2022, 00:14:46
There is one big problem with CRD-8S: Its Heavy Gauss Rifle is split between it side torso and its center torso. You can not do that in MechWarrior Online.

Thus, it would require either adjusting the -8S variant or creating a new "Piranha" variant.

Poo bum fart, you're right. So much for that idea.

Maybe the 3L or 5M for jump jets then?
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 29 March 2022, 03:02:00
Poo bum fart, you're right. So much for that idea.
That is why I think that PGI will have to create some variant with ballistic hardpoint(s) in side torso, mimicking CRD-8S.


Maybe the 3L or 5M for jump jets then?
I think that Crusader with JJs is a safe bet.

Usually PGI offers at least one modern 3050 variant with advanced equipment. I think that CRD-5M would fit - it has DHS, XL engine, Streak SRMs, AMS, CASE and those JJs.

They did it with MAD-5M Marauder or SHD-5M Shadow Hawk.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Deadborder on 29 March 2022, 05:32:23
Other ideas coming to my mind

The CRD-6D could offer both jump jets and a larger engine cap

The CRD-7L for the ECM hardpoint
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 29 March 2022, 12:09:14
Other ideas coming to my mind

The CRD-6D could offer both jump jets and a larger engine cap

The CRD-7L for the ECM hardpoint
There are some interesting canon variants and PGI can offer their own homegrown models too.

All what we can do is to wait. The official preorder announcement should be out soon, hopefully in a day or two.   :)
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 30 March 2022, 15:55:44
 Upcoming Crusader variants:
Quote from: Piranha Games Inc.
Crusader Preorder will be up tomorrow.

Here are some letters and numbers to read while you wait!
    CDR-3R
    CDR-5K
    CDR-5M
    CDR-6T
    CDR-7L

Check the details:

    CDR-3R - the standard model with a pair of LRM-15, a pair of SRM-6s, a pair of MLs, a pair of MGs
    CDR-5K - modern Drac model with MRM-30s in arms, 2* MPLs in center torso, 1 ML in LT, 1 ML in RT, jump-capable
    CDR-5M - modern Marik jump-capable model
    CDR-6T - modern Davion model with 14 energy hardpoints, jump jets and high engine cap (325-rating default, so 390-rating max?)
    CDR-7L - Stealth Liao model (i.e. ECM-equipped); lower engine cap with jump jets

Unfortunately, it seems that CRD-8S with the high ballistic hardpoint did not make it.    :'(
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Cyc on 30 March 2022, 15:58:45
Moving the leg SRMs to the torso a "minor" change, being unable to do 8S without XL engine would either mean dramatic reduction in speed or loss of too many other weapons for that Heavy Gauss.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 30 March 2022, 16:02:51
Moving the leg SRMs to the torso a "minor" change, being unable to do 8S without XL engine would either mean dramatic reduction in speed or loss of too many other weapons for that Heavy Gauss.
The HGR itself is absolutely immaterial. If you have the right hardpoint, you can try various builds. If you do not have that hardpoint, you are out of luck.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Cyc on 30 March 2022, 16:08:56
True, but outside the Hero PGI clearly want to avoid any P variants in part because of ensure maximum MechDad sales and there isn't any other to do it.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Wrangler on 30 March 2022, 17:22:01
I'd be soley interested in the 5K & the standard Crusader.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Cyc on 30 March 2022, 18:05:06
Crael is a bit of a boring hero given no Claws.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Middcore on 30 March 2022, 21:34:34
Crael is a bit of a boring hero given no Claws.

Especially at the same time MW5 is breaking new ground for melee combat. I understand it isn't going to happen in MWO because they're different engines (and PGI would manage to make it a balance disaster anyway) but it still looks shabby.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Cyc on 30 March 2022, 22:49:26
spikes as boltons makes senses but already so many Crusaders are going to be SRMed that without claws Creal not going to be as unique as tabletop one is.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 30 March 2022, 23:42:28
Crael is a bit of a boring hero given no Claws.
spikes as boltons makes senses but already so many Crusaders are going to be SRMed that without claws Creal not going to be as unique as tabletop one is.

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/447f/cq13q9f1ok8dkv09g.jpg)

Crusader Hero "Crael"

Interesting facts:
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Maingunnery on 31 March 2022, 11:24:15
Depending upon the quirks I might go for that Hero.
I really want a proper IS SRM or MRM boat.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Cyc on 31 March 2022, 21:47:24
And live - https://mwomercs.com/crusader

Old school pricing,
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 31 March 2022, 23:51:26
I really want a proper IS SRM or MRM boat.
So what do you think about the Crusader?


Depending upon the quirks I might go for that Hero.
It seems that the Hero 'Mech is dedicated brawler with lasers, missiles and TEN MACHINE GUNS!   ;D
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Deadborder on 01 April 2022, 02:01:01
Not the character I was expecting for the Hero 'Mech, but I'll take it
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Maingunnery on 01 April 2022, 05:10:41
So what do you think about the Crusader?

It seems that the Hero 'Mech is dedicated brawler with lasers, missiles and TEN MACHINE GUNS!   ;D
Most versions seem to have plenty of Missile hardpoints, and with the Hero it seems they have glued a Piranha to the Crusader (very nasty).
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Wrangler on 01 April 2022, 06:26:17
Most versions seem to have plenty of Missile hardpoints, and with the Hero it seems they have glued a Piranha to the Crusader (very nasty).
10 machine guns on slow heavy mech makes zero sense to me other than one-vs-one solaris match.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 01 April 2022, 09:00:47
10 machine guns on slow heavy mech makes zero sense to me other than one-vs-one solaris match.
The same 'Mech can perform differently in different Tiers. I can imagine "Crael" being viable in T4 or T5, but I am not sure how useful it will be in T1 games.    :(
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: MarauderD on 01 April 2022, 09:57:47
I'm happy for the MWO community that there is a new mech, and it is one of the classics.  Enjoy all.  I think I'm probably going to pass as I haven't played much in years, but it is a good addition.

I wonder after all these years, how many $70 purchases PGI is going to get on this pack.  I would guess not many, but we shall see.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 01 April 2022, 12:18:39
I'm happy for the MWO community that there is a new mech, and it is one of the classics.  Enjoy all.  I think I'm probably going to pass as I haven't played much in years, but it is a good addition.
Why not to try it again?  ;)


I wonder after all these years, how many $70 purchases PGI is going to get on this pack.  I would guess not many, but we shall see.
Well, this is a difficult question:

On one hand, those prices are not exactly low. On the other hand, I can imagine that many players are bored with their existing 'Mechs and they could be willing to pay a little extra, just to try something new. After all, the last new MWO 'Mech was Dervish in mid-2019 - almost three years ago.

For some players the price could be worth saving them the waiting - Crusader is going to be available fo C-Bills a week before Christmas.

Also, a player who does not care about badges, cockpit junk or decals can skip the "Special" package - especially if he is sitting on a pile of C-Bills and does not need that C-Bill bonus.

And if you do not expect to brawl with MGs, you can skip "Crael" too. Without those boated MGs, the Hero 'Mech seems pretty similar to the basic CRD-3R.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Cyc on 18 June 2022, 06:20:20
Patch notes up and we are starting to get ingame images of the model

Here's the Crael where you can see all the machine gun barrels poking out around the now only cosmetic claws.
(https://static.mwomercs.com/img/news/media/f1b1e8c1a18e8c26893d9511c02e0164.jpg)
(https://static.mwomercs.com/img/news/media/8b96fd14988e3667d9729680620dec5f.jpg)
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Caedis Animus on 18 June 2022, 08:08:20
I suppose it's not exactly surprising that the claws were replaced with MGs. Hopefully, the MW5 version-if and when it gets added-gets working claws.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Wrangler on 18 June 2022, 19:51:12
Hope they introduce this mech to MW5.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Cyc on 21 June 2022, 17:05:39
And the usual 'Mech Release Event

(https://static.mwomercs.com/img/news/media/f7730af0f895d2db7f1c8dbd184bccf5.jpg)

https://mwomercs.com/events/451
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: BATTLEMASTER on 22 June 2022, 06:36:39
I didn't buy the pack, but I killed a few with my Dire Wolf.  It was satisfying  ;D. I'll be sure to get one for cbills at some point!

So, Longbow when?   :D
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Wrangler on 23 June 2022, 06:32:17
Its good for PGI that people have been buying the packs.   I do say there too many hero variants out there however.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 25 June 2022, 15:17:33
So, Longbow when?   :D
Never, probably.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Deadborder on 27 June 2022, 16:22:25
So, Longbow when?   :D

Probably never

The Longbow has the drawback that all of its variants do more or less the same thing and have surprisingly little variation when broken down into MWO terms. They all have a small number of Missile Hardpoints and a couple of Energy Hardpoints to back those up. Even with other 'Mechs like this, such as the Cataplut or Archer, there's more variance which has in turn lead to them being viable MWO designs.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Maingunnery on 27 June 2022, 16:26:18
Probably never

The Longbow has the drawback that all of its variants do more or less the same thing and have surprisingly little variation when broken down into MWO terms. They all have a small number of Missile Hardpoints and a couple of Energy Hardpoints to back those up. Even with other 'Mechs like this, such as the Cataplut or Archer, there's more variance which has in turn lead to them being viable MWO designs.
Well there is a LAC5 version, LGB-13NAIS.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Deadborder on 28 June 2022, 16:02:32
Well there is a LAC5 version, LGB-13NAIS.

MWO doesn't have LACs
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Maingunnery on 28 June 2022, 16:17:22
MWO doesn't have LACs
Not really a problem, they can just use other ballistics (close enough).
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: kato on 29 June 2022, 04:42:43

The Longbow is realistically fully covered by the Stalker in MWO, outside of a dakka-heavy variant.

Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Wrangler on 29 June 2022, 14:27:56
People like variety, even if it's superficial.  I would prefer MWO had done better job keeping standard mechs getting over customizable. Their nearly OmniMechs, thus why Stalker seemly can replace the Longbow. 

Its why I like MW5's ecosystem better.  its not as  broken or unbalanced, people get spoiled.  I know they have to people already that way.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 03 July 2022, 02:53:21
People like variety, even if it's superficial.  I would prefer MWO had done better job keeping standard mechs getting over customizable. Their nearly OmniMechs, thus why Stalker seemly can replace the Longbow. 

Its why I like MW5's ecosystem better.  its not as  broken or unbalanced, people get spoiled.  I know they have to people already that way.
I do not expect big changes in this phase of the MWO life cycle.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Wrangler on 03 July 2022, 06:03:09
I do not expect big changes in this phase of the MWO life cycle.
I won't either, but I was just saying.  Modularity nature of Mech is too much but that's what people with cash wanted.

Either case, I'd like see couple more original designs unless they blew their entire budget to just get more than two made.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: kato on 03 July 2022, 11:24:40
What budget? MWO makes about enough money to keep the about five guys working on maintaining it on the payroll, and not much beyond that.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 03 July 2022, 12:57:19
I won't either, but I was just saying.  Modularity nature of Mech is too much but that's what people with cash wanted.
No, that is what Russ Bullock wanted ten years ago.

Either case, I'd like see couple more original designs unless they blew their entire budget to just get more than two made.
PGI wanted to play it safe with the Crusader and I can not say that I blame them. The reception of some of their homegrown designs has not been always positive.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Nightlord01 on 18 July 2022, 20:38:54
What budget? MWO makes about enough money to keep the about five guys working on maintaining it on the payroll, and not much beyond that.

Given that the game is still running, I'd say it makes a fair bit more than that.

The game is in a state now where the owners are interested in keeping things running and profiting as much as they can from the existing playerbase. You will know when the profit declines because they will start locking game functions behind paywalls, not just mechs.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 20 July 2022, 03:13:33
Given that the game is still running, I'd say it makes a fair bit more than that.

The game is in a state now where the owners are interested in keeping things running and profiting as much as they can from the existing playerbase. You will know when the profit declines because they will start locking game functions behind paywalls, not just mechs.
EG7 can pull the plug at any moment.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: kato on 20 July 2022, 03:44:30
EG7 can pull the plug at any moment.
According to their last quarterly report Piranha Games as a business unit turned profitable for them in Q4/2021 and has been such since then; revenue was about 1.5 million USD in Q1/22.

They have bigger problems, mostly divesting themselves entirely of Innova. That also means reducing their portfolio to only ten live games, one of which is MWO.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Nightlord01 on 20 July 2022, 05:02:35
EG7 can pull the plug at any moment.

That's exactly my point, they haven't pulled the plug, and they haven't started any of the overt profit exploitation that's SOP for these companies.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 20 July 2022, 08:04:56
According to their last quarterly report Piranha Games as a business unit turned profitable for them in Q4/2021 and has been such since then; revenue was about 1.5 million USD in Q1/22.

They have bigger problems, mostly divesting themselves entirely of Innova. That also means reducing their portfolio to only ten live games, one of which is MWO.
I wonder what the future holds for MWO.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Cyc on 20 July 2022, 16:08:27
I wonder what the future holds for MWO.

Big picture? Unless PGI wants and is allowed to do MW6, likely MWO kept alive until license expiry. Aat this stage of its lifecycle even if they could get more resources no major changes are likely, maybe another new 'Mech pack once a year being the absolute highlight, again likely not to be an original to tap into existing interest. Paddling around in spaghetti code to tweak things, and cause more unintentional messes like they did matchmaker, but more of the same.

Which makes me wonder what they could paywall harder on beyond a new 'Mech chassis that was never released for MC or C-Bills. Exclusive modes would cause endless problems with population the way it is, not enough art resources to lean more heavily into the cosmetic route and the original 10 year old answer of Repair and Rearm to force premium time and drain people's reserves of MC/C-Bills just to play is not likely to come back...
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: BATTLEMASTER on 20 July 2022, 18:39:54
Which makes me wonder what they could paywall harder on beyond a new 'Mech chassis that was never released for MC or C-Bills. Exclusive modes would cause endless problems with population the way it is, not enough art resources to lean more heavily into the cosmetic route and the original 10 year old answer of Repair and Rearm to force premium time and drain people's reserves of MC/C-Bills just to play is not likely to come back...

Omni pods.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Cyc on 20 July 2022, 20:23:43
Omni pods.

That's done as new variants though, and even that has faded in favour of the Platinum Packs which are just C-Bill bonus versions of existing variants.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 21 July 2022, 02:30:37
Big picture? Unless PGI wants and is allowed to do MW6, likely MWO kept alive until license expiry. Aat this stage of its lifecycle even if they could get more resources no major changes are likely, maybe another new 'Mech pack once a year being the absolute highlight, again likely not to be an original to tap into existing interest. Paddling around in spaghetti code to tweak things, and cause more unintentional messes like they did matchmaker, but more of the same.

Which makes me wonder what they could paywall harder on beyond a new 'Mech chassis that was never released for MC or C-Bills. Exclusive modes would cause endless problems with population the way it is, not enough art resources to lean more heavily into the cosmetic route and the original 10 year old answer of Repair and Rearm to force premium time and drain people's reserves of MC/C-Bills just to play is not likely to come back...
I do not think we will see MW6 made by PGI. I guess that the best, what we can hope for, would be some expansion pack for MW5:Mercs.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: Wrangler on 25 July 2022, 05:55:57
I do not think we will see MW6 made by PGI. I guess that the best, what we can hope for, would be some expansion pack for MW5:Mercs.
Most likely unless the new owners will see value beyond maintaining what they already have.
It depends on how well their Lords of the Ring thing works out for them.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 25 July 2022, 09:26:48
Most likely unless the new owners will see value beyond maintaining what they already have.
It depends on how well their Lords of the Ring thing works out for them.
Perhaps they will recycle their Clan 'Mechs models to offer MechWarrior 5: The Clans.   :)
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: BATTLEMASTER on 26 July 2022, 10:38:45
Perhaps they will recycle their Clan 'Mechs models to offer MechWarrior 5: The Clans.   :)

I'd like that!  Though the only reason I'm really playing MWO at all right now is because of the Clan machines.
Title: Re: MWO Crusader preorders announced
Post by: martian on 26 July 2022, 14:53:23
I'd like that!  Though the only reason I'm really playing MWO at all right now is because of the Clan machines.
PGI could even include IS 'Mechs such as Crusader, Thunderbolt or Black Knight, etc. for Clan second line units (especially their Royal variants).