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Author Topic: MWO Crusader (definitely NOT a Phoenix Hawk IIC!) teased in roadmap post  (Read 3387 times)

martian

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Then it is not a proper Crusader.  I'm aware of the Cicada, which originally had the MGs in the legs.  I never used it, not even in HBS.

MechWarrior Online is not a simulator of the tabletop BattleTech game.

If you dislike the new Crusader (if it actually is Crusader), do not buy it.

PGI rejected the idea of leg-mounted weapons about two months ago.

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I think they could incorporate Leg Hitboxes, but IIRC they will move the points to the torsos because their construction program just doesn't work with weapons in the legs.  So it could 'look' right while playing the game, but be 'wrong' when you are in the mechlab.

Not 100% sure either way.

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Leg weapons are silly, and the way the Crusader's were depicted are especially silly.

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Opinions do not change the fact the Crusader has leg mounted hardpoints. 

And thats fine PGI doesn't want to do leg mounted weapons, they are the developers after all, its thier game. 

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Opinions do not change the fact the Crusader has leg mounted hardpoints. 

"Hardpoints" are a concept that doesn't even exist in any game that the Crusader has appeared in thus far so it's sort of meaningless to say that having them on the legs is essential to what makes a Crusader a Crusader. Hardpoints started in MW4, and then MWO/MW5 and HBSBT did their own take on the idea. But none of those games have ever (officially) had a Crusader.

It seems like what you really mean is just leg-mounted weapons, but there are also numerous canon BT Crusader variants that don't have any.

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Someone did this on Reddit.



Their little behind though

This is what i put together. I think i got feet wrong.
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Definitely looking like the CRUD is a strong possibility here.

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Correct.  I did specify hardpoints to convey MWO/MW5/HBS builds, which they traditionally shy away from. And I did conceed that it was not something that was going to happen, due to PGI addressing it.  I was just pointing out the traditional Crusader has always had leg launchers, and from what I recall, up to 3050, the majority of the Crusaders had missiles in the legs. 

It would a interesting twist however, if they decide to use the chest ports of the armored valkerie that the Crusader bas based off of, covered ports that swung open.

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Definitely looking like the CRUD is a strong possibility here.

Crusader with the last released bits.


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More has come in.



I think it will be by weekend's end we'll have good chunk of this thing out.
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Crusader with the all parts published so far:


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With the both feet ...


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One leg complete ...


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There Another design their teasing! I hope it's not the Hatchetman since melee combat not really possible their current system last I checked. Which seems it was a choice not coding impossibly.
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There Another design their teasing! I hope it's not the Hatchetman since melee combat not really possible their current system last I checked. Which seems it was a choice not coding impossibly.

This Crusader is for MechWarrior Online. I guess that PGI could use it for MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries too.




Hatchetman here is for MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries. We will probably not see it in MechWarrior Online, since there is almost no physical combat in MWO.
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Since there's no kicking in mwo, why not have the weapons in the legs? It doesn't seem like it would stop anything or cause a problem. I mean in the original game it's a silly to have the weapons there because well people like to kick but that's not a thing. I could see crusader going over to mcware online if they really wanted too. Heck, there's no reason not to do it. Well they're doing it the same time. It would probably save on efforts of trying to do things.

Either case I hope this is the beginning of more to come. But we'll see. I did remember during the the interview on YouTube that they did mention that they were excited about new mex. I thought they were talking about new variants not actual mech designs.
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Since there's no kicking in mwo, why not have the weapons in the legs? It doesn't seem like it would stop anything or cause a problem. I mean in the original game it's a silly to have the weapons there because well people like to kick but that's not a thing.
Do you play MWO?

Having three reticules - one for arm-mounted weapons, the second one for torso-mounted weapons and the third one for leg-mounted weapons - would not be a good idea.

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Side torso and arm added:


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Update:


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Okay and 19 is our first shot of the left SRM-6 rack and even for torso mounted that's much higher than near-hip than I was hoping.

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SRM rack:



Okay and 19 is our first shot of the left SRM-6 rack and even for torso mounted that's much higher than near-hip than I was hoping.
I wonder how it will look like with more SRM racks in that side torso.

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Those arms are pretty big:


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I wonder how it will look like with more SRM racks in that side torso.

Yeah, will they take the overhanging side-torso Armored Valk pod position or will extra arm missiles end up there like the Archer? On the arms first energy slot is on inside near machine gun rather than outside which makes sense with forearm LRMs but will they bulk them up or go up if extra launchers are added.

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Yeah, will they take the overhanging side-torso Armored Valk pod position or will extra arm missiles end up there like the Archer? On the arms first energy slot is on inside near machine gun rather than outside which makes sense with forearm LRMs but will they bulk them up or go up if extra launchers are added.

I think that the Zeus' missile arm could suggest something.  :)

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We can see both SRM racks.


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Chest added:


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"Smokestacks" added:


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Those are really big arms ...


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Yup, I think those arm LURM forearms like we saw with the PP Crud rather than the unseen CRUD.

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Yup, I think those arm LURM forearms like we saw with the PP Crud rather than the unseen CRUD.

The latest Crusader has missiles in the forearms too.
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