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https://mwomercs.com/news/2022/02/2598-mwo-2022-roadmap

Find an image in the black space beneath the road map post text:



There's a very faint silhouette of a Crusader!

EDIT: There's also some speculation in the MWO road map discussion topic that this could also be a Phoenix Hawk IIC.  But those forearms scream missiles to me...
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Re: MWO Crusader (or Phoenix Hawk IIC?!) teased in roadmap post
« Reply #1 on: 26 February 2022, 08:16:02 »
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Re: MWO Crusader (or Phoenix Hawk IIC?!) teased in roadmap post
« Reply #2 on: 26 February 2022, 12:12:24 »
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« Reply #3 on: 28 February 2022, 01:55:33 »
It was mentioned once that the Phoenix Hawk IIC was in development before the game was reduced to its current state
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Re: MWO Crusader (or Phoenix Hawk IIC?!) teased in roadmap post
« Reply #4 on: 07 March 2022, 14:27:53 »
We'll have to see if they have the resources for a new mech.  As for the choices--what makes a good mech in MWO is pretty different.

Pixie IIC might be good for the high ballistic hardpoints. 

Crusader might be good for the heavy missile hardpoints if you like MURMS or SURMS.  Since neither one really appeal to me, while I love the nostalgia, it wouldn't do much for me.

I think my MWO days are pretty much behind me now.  I barely have time to paint as it is!

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Re: MWO Crusader (or Phoenix Hawk IIC?!) teased in roadmap post
« Reply #5 on: 07 March 2022, 16:50:01 »
I'll believe it when i see it rendered.  I want see new mech in the game so badly.
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Re: MWO Crusader (or Phoenix Hawk IIC?!) teased in roadmap post
« Reply #6 on: 18 March 2022, 10:12:51 »
It was mentioned once that the Phoenix Hawk IIC was in development before the game was reduced to its current state
From what I understood, it was not much more than the concept art. That's a long way to a fully modelled and textured 'Mech.

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Re: MWO Crusader (or Phoenix Hawk IIC?!) teased in roadmap post
« Reply #7 on: 18 March 2022, 10:27:51 »
I hope they have enough money & time to do set 4 instead just one mech.  Call me greedy but it adds flavor to the game.Variants kinda take steam out of adding new designs or uniqueness of them.
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Re: MWO Crusader (or Phoenix Hawk IIC?!) teased in roadmap post
« Reply #8 on: 19 March 2022, 02:14:20 »
I hope they have enough money & time to do set 4 instead just one mech.  Call me greedy but it adds flavor to the game.Variants kinda take steam out of adding new designs or uniqueness of them.

Do you mean a 'Mech pack with one light 'Mech, one medium 'Mech, etc.?

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« Reply #9 on: 20 March 2022, 16:00:04 »
Do you mean a 'Mech pack with one light 'Mech, one medium 'Mech, etc.?
essentially.   MW5 has it right about way it works on mechs to convert them, verse swap in and out like every mech is omnimech.

Too many variants deludes things to me.  I'd like see set for new year such as light mech, medium mech, heavy, assault. Its asking a lot, but it be nice.
We won't have Roughneck or the Sun Spider if were for them being creative at Piranha. Now it's been years since they did anything new.  Variant is introduced here and there, but to me it's not same thing as whole new machine.
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« Reply #10 on: 22 March 2022, 14:24:20 »
essentially.   ....
I'd like see set for new year such as light mech, medium mech, heavy, assault. Its asking a lot, but it be nice.

We will be lucky if we see just that Crusader in 2022.

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« Reply #11 on: 22 March 2022, 20:16:22 »
I'm listening to the NoGutsNoGalaxy Pod cast, they have not mentioned anything.   What PGI can openly say it's focusing on.  Engineers apparently on short time of availablity.  So there big question on if they will have artist free up enough to make new graphics.
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« Reply #12 on: 23 March 2022, 11:26:44 »
I'm listening to the NoGutsNoGalaxy Pod cast, they have not mentioned anything.   What PGI can openly say it's focusing on.  Engineers apparently on short time of availablity.  So there big question on if they will have artist free up enough to make new graphics.
Mark Nicholson could do that, I guess that the modelling part is the problem.

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« Reply #13 on: 24 March 2022, 15:11:47 »
They're doing teaser pics of tiny parts of the concept art of the new 'Mech on Twitter now.

https://twitter.com/MW5Mercs/status/1507062190876106755

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Re: MWO Crusader (or Phoenix Hawk IIC?!) teased in roadmap post
« Reply #14 on: 24 March 2022, 15:13:29 »
Is it for MW5 or MWO?  That twitter seems to be MW5.
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« Reply #15 on: 24 March 2022, 15:43:48 »
Is it for MW5 or MWO?  That twitter seems to be MW5.

Oh you're right.

I can't see MW5 getting any new mechs that aren't already in MWO or don't end up in MWO at the same time, though.

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« Reply #16 on: 24 March 2022, 16:07:35 »
Oh you're right.

I can't see MW5 getting any new mechs that aren't already in MWO or don't end up in MWO at the same time, though.

I'd say any art will get used by both platforms--even though it would need to be converted from one Engine to the other. 

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« Reply #17 on: 24 March 2022, 16:08:21 »
Both the MWO and MW5 twitter accounts are dropping images, but the images look to be different for each. MWO 'Mech looks more upright and 27 images where MW5 is 25.
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« Reply #18 on: 24 March 2022, 18:05:20 »
The MWO 'Mech is a Crusader. The second pic gives it away. Look at the "elbows" of the Unseen.

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« Reply #19 on: 24 March 2022, 20:18:23 »
Could be original. Did they state it was going to be Crusader?
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« Reply #20 on: 25 March 2022, 03:56:42 »
possible, but the MWO 'Mech looking more and more Crusader to me, those legs seem to seal it.

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« Reply #21 on: 25 March 2022, 05:38:54 »
Not cause trouble, but unless there some kind citation, its hard thing to swallow what its suppose to be. I guess it's wait and see.
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« Reply #22 on: 25 March 2022, 05:52:50 »
Not cause trouble, but unless there some kind citation, its hard thing to swallow what its suppose to be. I guess it's wait and see.

Those legs strongly suggest that it could be Crusader:

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« Reply #23 on: 25 March 2022, 06:18:34 »
and a foot just dropped which seems to cement it

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« Reply #24 on: 25 March 2022, 06:43:13 »
Definitely a Crusader  8)
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Yep, looks like Crusader alright.  That cool.

I wonder if this will lead to more mechs beyond this one.
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I'll actually be impressed if they actually incorporate leg hardpoints, otherwise its just a Archer redux.

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I'll actually be impressed if they actually incorporate leg hardpoints, otherwise its just a Archer redux.
Except the LRMs are in the arms, and they look very different.

(edit: Is it just me or did Twitter just start limiting anonymous (browser) access to a few seconds of preview?)
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I'll actually be impressed if they actually incorporate leg hardpoints, otherwise its just a Archer redux.
Leg hardpoint would be moved to side torsos.

PGI has done it before.


Yep, looks like Crusader alright.  That cool.

I wonder if this will lead to more mechs beyond this one.
There is another series of previews that seems to show Hatchetman, earmarked for MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries.

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Then it is not a proper Crusader.  I'm aware of the Cicada, which originally had the MGs in the legs.  I never used it, not even in HBS. 

Leg hardpoint would be moved to side torsos.

PGI has done it before.

There is another series of previews that seems to show Hatchetman, earmarked for MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries.

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Then it is not a proper Crusader.  I'm aware of the Cicada, which originally had the MGs in the legs.  I never used it, not even in HBS.

MechWarrior Online is not a simulator of the tabletop BattleTech game.

If you dislike the new Crusader (if it actually is Crusader), do not buy it.

PGI rejected the idea of leg-mounted weapons about two months ago.

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I think they could incorporate Leg Hitboxes, but IIRC they will move the points to the torsos because their construction program just doesn't work with weapons in the legs.  So it could 'look' right while playing the game, but be 'wrong' when you are in the mechlab.

Not 100% sure either way.

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Leg weapons are silly, and the way the Crusader's were depicted are especially silly.

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Opinions do not change the fact the Crusader has leg mounted hardpoints. 

And thats fine PGI doesn't want to do leg mounted weapons, they are the developers after all, its thier game. 

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Opinions do not change the fact the Crusader has leg mounted hardpoints. 

"Hardpoints" are a concept that doesn't even exist in any game that the Crusader has appeared in thus far so it's sort of meaningless to say that having them on the legs is essential to what makes a Crusader a Crusader. Hardpoints started in MW4, and then MWO/MW5 and HBSBT did their own take on the idea. But none of those games have ever (officially) had a Crusader.

It seems like what you really mean is just leg-mounted weapons, but there are also numerous canon BT Crusader variants that don't have any.

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Someone did this on Reddit.



Their little behind though

This is what i put together. I think i got feet wrong.
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Definitely looking like the CRUD is a strong possibility here.

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Correct.  I did specify hardpoints to convey MWO/MW5/HBS builds, which they traditionally shy away from. And I did conceed that it was not something that was going to happen, due to PGI addressing it.  I was just pointing out the traditional Crusader has always had leg launchers, and from what I recall, up to 3050, the majority of the Crusaders had missiles in the legs. 

It would a interesting twist however, if they decide to use the chest ports of the armored valkerie that the Crusader bas based off of, covered ports that swung open.

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Definitely looking like the CRUD is a strong possibility here.

Crusader with the last released bits.


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More has come in.



I think it will be by weekend's end we'll have good chunk of this thing out.
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Crusader with the all parts published so far:


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With the both feet ...


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One leg complete ...


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There Another design their teasing! I hope it's not the Hatchetman since melee combat not really possible their current system last I checked. Which seems it was a choice not coding impossibly.
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There Another design their teasing! I hope it's not the Hatchetman since melee combat not really possible their current system last I checked. Which seems it was a choice not coding impossibly.

This Crusader is for MechWarrior Online. I guess that PGI could use it for MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries too.




Hatchetman here is for MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries. We will probably not see it in MechWarrior Online, since there is almost no physical combat in MWO.
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Since there's no kicking in mwo, why not have the weapons in the legs? It doesn't seem like it would stop anything or cause a problem. I mean in the original game it's a silly to have the weapons there because well people like to kick but that's not a thing. I could see crusader going over to mcware online if they really wanted too. Heck, there's no reason not to do it. Well they're doing it the same time. It would probably save on efforts of trying to do things.

Either case I hope this is the beginning of more to come. But we'll see. I did remember during the the interview on YouTube that they did mention that they were excited about new mex. I thought they were talking about new variants not actual mech designs.
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Since there's no kicking in mwo, why not have the weapons in the legs? It doesn't seem like it would stop anything or cause a problem. I mean in the original game it's a silly to have the weapons there because well people like to kick but that's not a thing.
Do you play MWO?

Having three reticules - one for arm-mounted weapons, the second one for torso-mounted weapons and the third one for leg-mounted weapons - would not be a good idea.

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Side torso and arm added:


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Okay and 19 is our first shot of the left SRM-6 rack and even for torso mounted that's much higher than near-hip than I was hoping.

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SRM rack:



Okay and 19 is our first shot of the left SRM-6 rack and even for torso mounted that's much higher than near-hip than I was hoping.
I wonder how it will look like with more SRM racks in that side torso.

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Those arms are pretty big:


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I wonder how it will look like with more SRM racks in that side torso.

Yeah, will they take the overhanging side-torso Armored Valk pod position or will extra arm missiles end up there like the Archer? On the arms first energy slot is on inside near machine gun rather than outside which makes sense with forearm LRMs but will they bulk them up or go up if extra launchers are added.

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Yeah, will they take the overhanging side-torso Armored Valk pod position or will extra arm missiles end up there like the Archer? On the arms first energy slot is on inside near machine gun rather than outside which makes sense with forearm LRMs but will they bulk them up or go up if extra launchers are added.

I think that the Zeus' missile arm could suggest something.  :)

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We can see both SRM racks.


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Chest added:


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"Smokestacks" added:


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Those are really big arms ...


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Yup, I think those arm LURM forearms like we saw with the PP Crud rather than the unseen CRUD.

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Yup, I think those arm LURM forearms like we saw with the PP Crud rather than the unseen CRUD.

The latest Crusader has missiles in the forearms too.
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Looks like SRM launchers are in the side torsos
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Almost there ...


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When this is done, 2 questions;  1) Is when this is coming out 2)  Is this will be in MW5?
"Men, fetch the Urbanmechs.  We have an interrogation to attend to." - jklantern
"How do you defeat a Dragau? Shoot the damn thing. Lots." - Jellico 
"No, it's a "Most Awesome Blues Brothers scene Reenactment EVER" waiting to happen." VotW Destrier - Weirdo  
"It's 200 LY to Sian, we got a full load of shells, a half a platoon of Grenadiers, it's exploding outside, and we're wearing flak jackets." VoTW Destrier - Misterpants
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Crusader - the first new 'Mech since July 2019.



When this is done, 2 questions;  1) Is when this is coming out 2)  Is this will be in MW5?
1) We do not know. Some announcement will follow.

2) Hard to say. Hatchetman is for MechWarrior 5: mercenaries, since there is no physical combat in MWO.

Crusader is for MWO, but I think that it could be in MW5:Mercs too. The only problem could be the different game engine in MW5: Mercs.

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I keep looking at the cockpit and still not being able to decide whether I like it.

The "backpack" seems kind of scrawny, proportionally it looks like it's the same size as the Phoenix Hawk's transplanted to a design 20 tons of heavier.

I also don't know what's going on with the little ballerina feet.

Overall a solid take on the design let down by a few weird choices.

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It looks like they based the feet off of the P-Hawk's, which makes sense considering what the Crusader cribbed art from before.

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Given the common lineage in the origins of the designs (if not one acknowledged in canonical BT fluff) I don't have a problem with them looking similar in certain ways. It's the seeming lack of proportionate scaling that bothers me.

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Yeah, am I am not a fan of the head of the Mech. I guess they had to make it different from the original and current versions.
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"How do you defeat a Dragau? Shoot the damn thing. Lots." - Jellico 
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I keep looking at the cockpit and still not being able to decide whether I like it.

The "backpack" seems kind of scrawny, proportionally it looks like it's the same size as the Phoenix Hawk's transplanted to a design 20 tons of heavier.

I also don't know what's going on with the little ballerina feet.

Overall a solid take on the design let down by a few weird choices.
It looks like they based the feet off of the P-Hawk's, which makes sense considering what the Crusader cribbed art from before.
Keep in mind that this is just a concept art.

The actual in-game model might be different. You know, different proportions of the 'Mech because the modeller has a different idea how the 'Mech should appear, some changes due to the modelling work and 'Mech animation requirements, etc.

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"Men, fetch the Urbanmechs.  We have an interrogation to attend to." - jklantern
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"No, it's a "Most Awesome Blues Brothers scene Reenactment EVER" waiting to happen." VotW Destrier - Weirdo  
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Given the common lineage in the origins of the designs (if not one acknowledged in canonical BT fluff) I don't have a problem with them looking similar in certain ways. It's the seeming lack of proportionate scaling that bothers me.
Checking Phoenix Hawk in the 'Mechlab shows some similarity.   :)