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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #60 on: 11 May 2021, 20:42:39 »
Think Mechcommander 1, but add:
- Engineer vehicle to modify terrain
- DS/SC/VTOLs delivering cargo pods
- Engineer vehicle consuming cargo pods to place structures.

So mech commander meets Dawn of War?

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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #61 on: 11 May 2021, 21:21:48 »
OP seems to be long gone but boy this is a weird thread to read. "1700's gentleman's warfare"... are we supposed to know what this term means, since it keeps getting used?  ??? Can't tell if the complaint is that HBS BT is turn-based instead of real-time or what. Meanwhile HBS had other people mad at them because the game wasn't a perfectly faithful replication of the tabletop, like MegaMek with better graphics.
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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #62 on: 12 May 2021, 01:06:38 »
It was funny that this thread was made pretty soon after 2 BT games that were the first in around 20 years or so :D

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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #63 on: 12 May 2021, 01:11:28 »
So mech commander meets Dawn of War?
Sorry I have never heard of Dawn of War before, let alone played it.
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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #64 on: 12 May 2021, 09:47:21 »
Think Mechcommander 1, but add:
- Engineer vehicle to modify terrain
- DS/SC/VTOLs delivering cargo pods
- Engineer vehicle consuming cargo pods to place structures.
mods i will say it mods they already exist
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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #65 on: 12 May 2021, 11:30:03 »
mods i will say it mods they already exist
Any recommendations?
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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #66 on: 12 May 2021, 15:04:45 »
*snip*
Meanwhile HBS had other people mad at them because the game wasn't a perfectly faithful replication of the tabletop, like MegaMek with better graphics.
I resemble that remark!  ::)

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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #67 on: 12 May 2021, 15:28:24 »
Any recommendations?
had you looked on moddb or nexusmods?
for mechcommander 2 i loved wolfman x mods but they are rare and hard to find
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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #68 on: 12 May 2021, 15:39:40 »
had you looked on moddb or nexusmods?
for mechcommander 2 i loved wolfman x mods but they are rare and hard to find
So the specific mods do not exist yet.
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« Reply #69 on: 13 May 2021, 13:21:33 »
So the specific mods do not exist yet.
look for them there are few dozen but if you do not look you dont find them
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« Reply #70 on: 13 May 2021, 13:27:04 »
look for them there are few dozen but if you do not look you dont find them
Have looked, nothing found that fits the description.
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« Reply #71 on: 13 May 2021, 20:26:06 »
Have looked, nothing found that fits the description.
if yo do not find it there look in places other than those 2 i had a huge library all teh links to fan oages that used to do mods but over the years i guess i earesed it
nut now nd then i still look around and find them
current best mod for battletech game is rogue tech for battletech
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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #72 on: 14 May 2021, 09:44:05 »
if yo do not find it there look in places other than those 2 i had a huge library all teh links to fan oages that used to do mods but over the years i guess i earesed it
nut now nd then i still look around and find them
current best mod for battletech game is rogue tech for battletech

I´m not sure if you´ve noticed it yet, but the internet is really freaking big, so telling someone to "look elsewhere" isn´t particularly helpful advice.
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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #73 on: 14 May 2021, 11:59:28 »
OP seems to be long gone but boy this is a weird thread to read. "1700's gentleman's warfare"... are we supposed to know what this term means, since it keeps getting used?  ??? Can't tell if the complaint is that HBS BT is turn-based instead of real-time or what. Meanwhile HBS had other people mad at them because the game wasn't a perfectly faithful replication of the tabletop, like MegaMek with better graphics.
I think the issue some have with the implementation of turns in HBS game is that it combines movement, shooting and melee into a single phase. Compared to the "simultaneous" phases of tabletop, the HBS turns shift the balance towards big alphas that can remove an opponent before it can fire back. Multi-range weapon bracketing and multi-range weapon load-outs in general become less important as you effectively always get to decide where you move to take your shot regardless of initiative. The tabletop BT's simultaneous phase gameplay is arguably closer to real time combat than turn based gameplay.

I don't know what exactly the OP means by 1700's gentleman's warfare. There were never any practical, not to mention formal "turn based" characteristics in the warfare of that or any other era. It could refer to the pistol duels of late 1700's (which is not warfare though) where the dueling was extremely formal. Ironically it could be argued that BT boardgame is actually closer to dueling than the HBS game because both duelists always fire their weapons at the same time ;D (though I do get what the OP means).

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HBS style "normal" turn based gameplay in video games is usually referred to as I-Go-You-Go (Chess, XCOM, Civilization etc). BT tabletop style simultaneous phase-based turns are very rare in digital form as they make the gameplay slower and harder to grasp, especially for multiplayer (MegaMek, some digitized niche wargames). A comparable approach that's more common for video games is We-Go where both sides plan their actions for a turn/period of time and the actions are then resolved simultaneously (Phantom Brigade, Combat Mission, Frozen Synapse etc). It's essentially "real time" gameplay cut into short segments and it's really what those phase-based wargames and BattleTech tabletop really aim to portray.

Personally I really like good We-Go and would love to see someone make a BattleTech game like that. The upcoming Phantom Brigade is closest thing to that that I know of (though it's big robots are much more Mecha than a Mech).

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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #74 on: 14 May 2021, 12:05:26 »
I´m not sure if you´ve noticed it yet, but the internet is really freaking big, so telling someone to "look elsewhere" isn´t particularly helpful advice.
i know but if you use your google fu you should be able to find at least something in abut 30 min or so
i had a library of mod links and lost it and to date did feel no need to re build it. and i started that after cresents hawk.
btw try using other search engines than google you will be surprised how they are optimized and which ones do direct you to places tha google does not. take a few hours it will be worth it...while back found mechwarrior 3 depository of mods and full missions and it had sub section for mechwarrior 2
and no i dont have the link since i lost my library because one time i did not follow my own rule of backing up every thing and then backing up my back ups and backing up those too
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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #75 on: 14 May 2021, 15:49:15 »
mvp7: I believe the 1700s reference was to Kriegsspiel.

elf25s: 30 minutes of Google-fu?  HOURS of other search engines??  ???

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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #76 on: 14 May 2021, 22:14:45 »
i know but if you use your google fu you should be able to find at least something in abut 30 min or so
i had a library of mod links and lost it and to date did feel no need to re build it. and i started that after cresents hawk.
btw try using other search engines than google you will be surprised how they are optimized and which ones do direct you to places tha google does not. take a few hours it will be worth it...while back found mechwarrior 3 depository of mods and full missions and it had sub section for mechwarrior 2
and no i dont have the link since i lost my library because one time i did not follow my own rule of backing up every thing and then backing up my back ups and backing up those too

I had a large library of links for various Battletech and Games Mod sites, checked recently and pretty much none of them are still active. The only ones that are are the more generic sites like ModDB which literally anyone can find.

It's not so much that people's google-fu is weak, it's that a lot of the old fan sites have gone the way of the dodo and aren't coming back. Never forget that most of these games are more than fifteen years old now. Sites like Dropship Command etc are just gone now, so a lot of the old mods are now vapour-ware.

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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #77 on: 18 July 2021, 09:23:55 »
OP seems to be long gone but boy this is a weird thread to read. "1700's gentleman's warfare"... are we supposed to know what this term means, since it keeps getting used?
mvp7: I believe the 1700s reference was to Kriegsspiel.

A reference to the initiative phase system where you take a full set of actions (movement+firing) instead of the TT BT way of sequential movement then simultaneous fire. He kept bringing it up in other threads, like this one:
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/computerconsole-games/anyone-working-on-the-gentleman-s-warfare-fix/msg1516770/#msg1516770

As for the OP, I doubt we're gonna see another one (I thought HBSTech was pretty good) for a few years. Everyone with BT on the brain is either opting-out or already has something out there with no public plans for another development in this IP.

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Re: When will we finally get another solid Battletech video game?
« Reply #78 on: 09 August 2021, 06:45:31 »
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