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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #180 on: 15 June 2021, 16:49:21 »
It's possible that MML has not yet implemented one or more of these changes.

MML has the changes per the BOT Record Sheets.

Atlas C - 2340

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Battle Value Calculations For Atlas C
 Defensive Battle Rating Calculation:
Total Armor HD (9) x 1.0      9.0
Total Armor CT (61) x 1.0     61.0
Total Armor RT (42) x 1.0     42.0
Total Armor LT (42) x 1.0      42.0
Total Armor RA (34) x 1.0     34.0
Total Armor LA (34) x 1.0      34.0
Total Armor RL (41) x 1.0      41.0
Total Armor LL (41) x 1.0       41.0
Total modified armor BV x 2.5 = 760.0
Total I.S. Points x IS Multiplier x 1.5 x Engine Multiplier
152 x 1.0 x 1.5 x 1.0 = 228.0

Weight x Gyro Multiplier
100.0 x 0.5 = 50.0
Defensive Equipment:
Total BV of all Defensive Equipment = 0.0
Explosive Weapons/Equipment Penalty = -0.0
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1038.0

Run MP 5
Target Movement Modifier For Run 2
Target Movement Modifier For Jumping 0
Target Movement Modifier For UMUs 0
Target Movement Modifier 2.0
Multiply by Defensive Movement Factor of 1.2 x 1.2
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Defensive Battle Value = 1245.6

Offensive Battle Rating Calculation:

Base Heat Efficiency - Run Heat 32 - 2 = 30
Unmodified Weapon BV:

Medium Laser  46.0
Medium Laser  46.0
LRM 20  220.0
Streak SRM 6  118.0
Ultra AC/20  335.0
Medium Laser (R)  46.0
Medium Laser (R)  46.0
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Unmodified Front BV:765.0
Unmodfied Rear BV:92.0
Unmodfied Turret BV:0.0
Total Unmodfied BV:857.0
Unmodified Front non-arm BV:673.0
Unmodfied Rear non-arm BV:92.0
Weapon Heat:
Medium Laser + 3.0
Medium Laser + 3.0
LRM 20 + 6.0
Streak SRM 6 + 2.0
Ultra AC/20 + 14.0
Medium Laser + 3.0
Medium Laser + 3.0
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Total Heat: = 34.0
Weapons with no heat at full BV:
Heat Modified Weapons BV:
(Heat Exceeds Mech Heat Efficiency)

Ultra AC/20 335.0
Heat count: 14.0

LRM 20 220.0
Heat count: 20.0

Streak SRM 6 118.0
Heat count: 22.0

Medium Laser 46.0
Heat count: 25.0

Medium Laser 46.0
Heat count: 28.0

Medium Laser(R) 23.0
Heat count: 31.0

Medium Laser(R) Heat efficiency reached, half BV 11.5
Heat count: 34.0

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Total Weapons BV Adjusted For Heat:799.5
Misc Offensive Equipment:
Total Misc Offensive Equipment BV:0.0
Total Ammo BV:195.0
Add weight +100.0
Final Speed Factor: 1.0
Weapons BV * Speed Factor 1094.5 * 1.0 = 1094.5
Offensive BV + Defensive BV 1245.6 + 1094.5 = 2340.1

Total BV * Cockpit Modifier 2340.1 * 1.0 = 2340.0


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Final BV

2340.0
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #181 on: 15 June 2021, 17:31:13 »
MML has the changes per the BOT Record Sheets.

Sorry Hammer, that's my bad. Meant to say SSW. Darn acronyms.
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« Reply #182 on: 15 June 2021, 18:33:37 »
Is http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8201/locust-lct-7v deliberately not available to Mercs during the Dark Age?
The 7V2 variant is available to them.
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« Reply #183 on: 15 June 2021, 18:36:44 »
Is http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8201/locust-lct-7v deliberately not available to Mercs during the Dark Age?
The 7V2 variant is available to them.

Thanks, looks like the wrong faction was selected by mistake.
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« Reply #184 on: 16 June 2021, 09:05:06 »
Phoenix PX-1KL in Jihad is available for Lyran Commonwealth, must be Alliance instead.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #185 on: 16 June 2021, 09:47:36 »
Phoenix PX-1KL in Jihad is available for Lyran Commonwealth, must be Alliance instead.

you are correct, sir

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« Reply #186 on: 16 June 2021, 14:49:58 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7594/loki-hellbringer-m
The Loki M seems to be accidentally tagged as Wolf-in-Exile rather than Hell's Horses during the Dark Age. Others i checked don't show WiE but Hell's Horses.
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« Reply #187 on: 16 June 2021, 14:52:53 »
sure enough. good catch.

barring a personal ride or some other circumstance, a faction should have access to all configs

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« Reply #188 on: 17 June 2021, 12:37:20 »
Posting this here on recommendation from my original thread https://bg.battletech.com/forums/website-and-forum-support/mul-site-issue-adding-units-to-list/

I had an error on adding units to a list.
I try adding the Oro Heavy Tank (Standard) to a list twice but it only registers as once when I leave the build page to view other cards.

Steps to replicate this situation:
First I added the Night Wolf (standard) from its page via the plus button to the right.
Then I went to the Oro Heavy Tank (Standard) page and clicked twice.
I then went to the build page (http://www.masterunitlist.info/Force/Build) saw the tank there for just one, I found it in the search bar to the left and added it.
I now have two.
I then go look for other cards such as the Thor A, add it, but when I go back to the build page the Oro is only showing up for one again.

I don't know if this is a standard bug or something just for vee and Mechs mixing, but I did want to highlight that this is happening.

this requires some serious work under the hood so unfortunately we have no ETA for a fix

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #189 on: 17 June 2021, 14:12:30 »
Found a paradox  :D
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1930/longbow-lgb-0w
Apprently during the early Succession wars, the LGB-0W is both available and extinct.

I wonder if Star League in Exile was meant to be tagged? Then again, the Star League seems to have favored the 7Q, when they used Longbows?
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« Reply #190 on: 17 June 2021, 15:04:23 »
Not sure if this is an error or not, but the GRF-5M Griffin is available to some of the FWL sub-states that joined together to reform the League in the Dark Age era but not on the League's Dark Age list.

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« Reply #191 on: 17 June 2021, 15:40:06 »
Definitely missed. Virtually without exception any unit that has substate availability in the DA should also have general FWL.

thanks

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« Reply #192 on: 18 June 2021, 01:44:50 »
Howdy MUL team.  Thanks as always for the work you do.

Any particular reason the Incubus (Vixen) 6 is not on the MUL?
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« Reply #193 on: 18 June 2021, 02:05:42 »
amusingly enough greekfire was going to add the vixen 6 and pendragon 3R tomorrow

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« Reply #194 on: 18 June 2021, 08:20:48 »
Should the Warhammer -8K be available to other factions beyond Kurita as well?
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3495/warhammer-whm-8k

RG07, pg8, implies the model was copied by others:
"The Draconis Combine refit its own Warhammers to -7K standard, and the resulting ’Mech was often confused with Marik refits. This would change abruptly with the introduction of a variant featuring paired heavy PPCs, a design which proved so popular that other Houses also copied it, refitting both newer Project Phoenix and more venerable Warhammers."

There certainly don't seem to be other HPPC-toting Warhammers beyond the same RG's -9K.
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« Reply #195 on: 18 June 2021, 09:11:33 »
amusingly enough greekfire was going to add the vixen 6 and pendragon 3R tomorrow
LOL.  Timing is everything.  Thanks for the response!  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #196 on: 18 June 2021, 09:24:05 »
I know the Thor II E along side the Shadow Cat IIIs have been canonized via inclusion to the MUL (along side the Shadow Cat III being in the rec guides) and I guess the Thunderbolt IIC 2 also. These were IWM special sculpts first. Is there any thought to making the Vixen 6 and Pendragon 3R official via inclusion on the MUL
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Any particular reason the Incubus (Vixen) 6 is not on the MUL?

After discussion and approval, entries for the Incubus 6 and Pendragon 3R are now on the MUL.
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« Reply #197 on: 18 June 2021, 09:24:38 »
Should the Warhammer -8K be available to other factions beyond Kurita as well?
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3495/warhammer-whm-8k

RG07, pg8, implies the model was copied by others:
"The Draconis Combine refit its own Warhammers to -7K standard, and the resulting ’Mech was often confused with Marik refits. This would change abruptly with the introduction of a variant featuring paired heavy PPCs, a design which proved so popular that other Houses also copied it, refitting both newer Project Phoenix and more venerable Warhammers."

Missed this bit of fluff. Will bring it up for discussion.
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« Reply #198 on: 18 June 2021, 17:42:58 »
I will be curious because they took away the Locust LCT-7V is it very destabilizing?

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« Reply #199 on: 18 June 2021, 17:46:35 »
I will be curious because they took away the Locust LCT-7V is it very destabilizing?

Assuming you're talking about Marian access to the design, it was an erroneous addition in another faction's stead.
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« Reply #200 on: 19 June 2021, 01:14:08 »
Many thanks for posting the Pendragon 3R - I've got the mini & will be painting it for a battalion, so knowing the AS stats helps me organise.

Unfortunately, the Role is currently None, whereas I'd think it should be Sniper.

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8000/pendragon-pdg-3r

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« Reply #201 on: 19 June 2021, 01:15:02 »
Double thanks - for uploading the Shandra as well!
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« Reply #202 on: 19 June 2021, 07:05:46 »
Many thanks for posting the Pendragon 3R ...
Unfortunately, the Role is currently None, whereas I'd think it should be Sniper.

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« Reply #203 on: 19 June 2021, 14:42:23 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1929/loki-hellbringer-prime
Should the Loki be available to mercs as well as IS General list?
RG01 indicates the Sea Foxes sell it to everyone, so why not mercs as well? Of course, i suppose the same question could be extended to the Periphery.
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« Reply #205 on: 19 June 2021, 22:49:50 »
There has been a minor but not unimportant adjustment to the border between the Jihad and Early Republic.

The MUL previously had the Jihad ending in 3085 and Early Republic beginning in 3086. This is incongruent with a number of published materials. The Jihad now ends in 3080 and the Early Republic begins in 3081. The 264 affected units debuting between 3081-3085 have had their intro era changed to match the shift.

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« Reply #206 on: 20 June 2021, 01:04:53 »
Is there any thought of adding wolf empire as a separate entity as either a Dark Age faction or in the future?

Edit: I see in their intro blurb that there is brief mention of the wolf empire.
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« Reply #207 on: 20 June 2021, 03:14:06 »
It's not out of the question, though it wouldn't be added until we activate the ilclan era - see the ravens and bears for similar situations. Ultimately we'll have to wait and see how things shake out in the early 3150s before we make any determinations

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« Reply #208 on: 20 June 2021, 14:59:41 »
It's not out of the question, though it wouldn't be added until we activate the ilclan era - see the ravens and bears for similar situations. Ultimately we'll have to wait and see how things shake out in the early 3150s before we make any determinations

I guess you probably can't say but any indication on when the IlClan era will be added to the MUL?

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« Reply #209 on: 20 June 2021, 15:06:16 »
I would imagine there needs to be some products solidly into the IlClan era first. Namely IlClan and perhaps Tamar Rising. Both are labeled as IlClan era sourcebooks. (Shattered Fortress was labeled Dark Age.)
I'll note that RecGuides are technically set pre-IlClan, though they are marked with IlClan era logo.
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