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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #210 on: 20 June 2021, 15:29:39 »
Why does the Crusader 10S have availability for the Wolfs Dragoons?

I get LC and their pet mercs the Kell Hounds. WD for much of the Dark Age have been on the other side of DC harassing the FedSuns.

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« Reply #211 on: 20 June 2021, 15:31:59 »
Why does the Crusader 10S have availability for the Wolfs Dragoons?

I get LC and their pet mercs the Kell Hounds. WD for much of the Dark Age have been on the other side of DC harassing the FedSuns.
I would assume the Kell Hounds might trade some to Wolf's Dragoons, those two merc units have had rather close relations for a long time as far as i can tell.
Or perhaps the Lyrans sent some to try to lure the WDs to their service.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #212 on: 20 June 2021, 15:49:11 »
I guess you probably can't say but any indication on when the IlClan era will be added to the MUL?

Things are happening behind the scenes but nothing approaching actual draft lists. There is no ETA at this time

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #213 on: 20 June 2021, 15:55:35 »
Why does the Crusader 10S have availability for the Wolfs Dragoons?

I get LC and their pet mercs the Kell Hounds. WD for much of the Dark Age have been on the other side of DC harassing the FedSuns.

The Dragoons served the Lyrans on the Jade Falcon front for 66 years straight up until the late 3130s. Their departure predated the Lyrans suffering tremendous casualties to both Clans, so it would have been possible for them to have purchased a few immediately before their departure to the FedSuns front.
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« Reply #214 on: 20 June 2021, 15:59:45 »
Ah, right, the -10S debuted in '37, so there's time for the Dragoons to get some, and given their elite nature and the -10S, quality, they would very much like some probably.
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« Reply #215 on: 20 June 2021, 19:04:43 »
The Dragoons served the Lyrans on the Jade Falcon front for 66 years straight up until the late 3130s. Their departure predated the Lyrans suffering tremendous casualties to both Clans, so it would have been possible for them to have purchased a few immediately before their departure to the FedSuns front.

Thank you. I was wondering how it worked for them.

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« Reply #216 on: 21 June 2021, 17:15:41 »
Thank you. I was wondering how it worked for them.

And in a twist of fate, the latest Shrapnel has given a firm introductory to the Crusader 10S. The Dragoons have been removed as a result.
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« Reply #217 on: 22 June 2021, 13:45:33 »
Amazing job getting Volume 18 so soon to the MUL!
 A possible issue:
Kingfisher F is listed as Inner Sphere general during the jihad. Seems a bit odd
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1784/kingfisher-f


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« Reply #218 on: 22 June 2021, 14:25:35 »
Amazing job getting Volume 18 so soon to the MUL!
 A possible issue:
Kingfisher F is listed as Inner Sphere general during the jihad. Seems a bit odd
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1784/kingfisher-f
Note that the Kingfisher is in general on IS General List during the Civil War and Jihad eras. Loot from Operation Bulldog.
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« Reply #219 on: 22 June 2021, 14:32:27 »
The newest Victor seems to have too early intro date. The issues is that RELs became production grade stuff in 3130. While earlier availability it not impossible, i'd imagine those would've been limited to prototypes and custom refits.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8259/victor-vtr-12d
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #221 on: 22 June 2021, 15:03:19 »
Is the Firestarter Omni's intro date 3056 or 3057? The primary variant is currently listed as 3056 but other initial configurations are 3057.

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1099/firestarter-fs9-o
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« Reply #222 on: 22 June 2021, 15:17:16 »
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« Reply #223 on: 23 June 2021, 03:00:57 »
What’s going on with the Kingfisher T stat line?

It’s got 7/7/6 damage and flack and ECM.
It’s only got one weapon that reaches out past 15 hexes (the cut off for long range, right?)
It doesn’t have an ecm suite or any weapon that can produce flack.

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« Reply #224 on: 23 June 2021, 08:06:33 »
A very strong possibility I mucked up the data entry

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« Reply #225 on: 23 June 2021, 08:18:44 »
Heh, I just fixed that during a double-check of the data without having seen that post.
Great minds, yada yada.

Should be good now.
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« Reply #226 on: 23 June 2021, 12:50:19 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6631/zeus-x-zeu-x

The Zeus-X introduction date can't be correct, because reactive armor becomes available in 3063 at earliest.
And TRO3145LC notes that the 'Mechs served during the FedCom Civil War, further indicating the 'Mech's introduction probably happened during that time.
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« Reply #227 on: 23 June 2021, 12:58:19 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6631/zeus-x-zeu-x

The Zeus-X introduction date can't be correct, because reactive armor becomes available in 3063 at earliest.
And TRO3145LC notes that the 'Mechs served during the FedCom Civil War, further indicating the 'Mech's introduction probably happened during that time.

The Zeus-X is an exception not covered by the general availability rules for equipment, similar to Solaris 'mechs. 

The Zeus X is the cover of Maximum Tech, set in 3056.  Therefore the intro date had to be that date or earlier.
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« Reply #228 on: 23 June 2021, 13:01:54 »
Oh. Well then. So, basically pre-final reactive armor and stuff... I need to add note for myself somewhere not to wonder about this later on :P

Does this have some weird fluff or IRL historical reason?
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« Reply #229 on: 23 June 2021, 13:03:46 »
since you responded so quickly, you might not have seen my addition, but "The Zeus X is the cover of Maximum Tech, set in 3056.  Therefore the intro date had to be that date or earlier."
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« Reply #230 on: 23 June 2021, 13:08:49 »
Ah. So IRL historical thing. I knew the Zeus-X was featured on some cover but didn't know when that thing was set on.
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« Reply #231 on: 25 June 2021, 23:17:58 »
Regarding the Warhammer IIC 10; the 'Mech is said to be "based on an ancient Smoke Jaguar variant" (TRO3145 NTNU). Since it's statistically the same 'Mech, should the intro date be pushed back to reflect this?
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« Reply #232 on: 25 June 2021, 23:48:54 »
Is the SM5 Field Commander Omnitank supposed to have stats or are you waiting until the Shrapnel site is updated with Shrapnel 5s record sheets.

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« Reply #233 on: 25 June 2021, 23:50:16 »
we are waiting for the official record sheet

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #234 on: 26 June 2021, 11:34:32 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/676/commando-com-7s

The Commando -7S introduction date probably should be '62 or later, unless the Lyrans are using prototype light engines in them. LFE's hit production status in '62 per IO. TRO3050U also indicates the Marian -4H variant debuted about the same time as the -7S, and has introduction in 3064.

Well, unless there's some weird reason like with the Zeus-X...
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« Reply #235 on: 27 June 2021, 06:26:04 »
The newest Victor seems to have too early intro date. The issues is that RELs became production grade stuff in 3130. While earlier availability it not impossible, i'd imagine those would've been limited to prototypes and custom refits.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8259/victor-vtr-12d

User error; I took the Prototype date as the Production date. Should be good now.
The Emperor 8L was caught in the crossfire, and now has a slightly later intro date as well.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #237 on: 28 June 2021, 12:33:13 »
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« Reply #238 on: 28 June 2021, 12:42:00 »
Found something that could imply the Dervish -7D should be in the St. Ives Compact availability list in MUL.
FMCC page 32 notes that the SIMC is rather heavy-weight, with exception of surplus Dervishes bought from Achernar when New Avalon's Dervish line was converted to manufacture Enforcer IIIs.
I mention the -7D specifically because it seems unlikely that plant would've been churning out the older -6Ms which are already IS General available. Also, the book's RATs (pg122-123) for CCAF and SIMC do contain the -7D. (Incidentally the RAT also lists some other FedSuns designs for the SIMC.)

This said, i acknowledge this may not be significant enough to warrant inclusion of the Dervish -7D in St. Ives (and Civil War-era CapCon list).

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/880/dervish-dv-7d
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« Reply #239 on: 28 June 2021, 12:49:12 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4551/lyonesse-escort-standard
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3709/aquarius-escort-standard

These are two different units, but in the MUL they both use the same art, it is very confusing.

Often with things like this there's not much to be done because they use the same art for both units. However, consulting RS:3075AW, they have been indeed given separate art. The Aquarius is now looking more like itself, thanks