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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #360 on: 08 September 2021, 13:56:56 »
The Demolisher and Vedette were both produced after the formation of Comstar in 2788.  Technical Readout 3039.  It gives a specific debut date for the Demolisher as 2803.  and the Vedette was created using ComStar electronics.
As errata isn't published for novels or FASA era products, unless TR3039 is errated, the MUL is going to stick with what it has.

This is actually distressingly common in stories, not just for FASA era novels.  Fact-checking pre-3025 references often failed, or later canon references skipped over or perhaps even intentionally retconned story references.   
 
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« Reply #361 on: 08 September 2021, 14:04:21 »
So I'll go with TPoG being wrong in this case. Thanks!
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #362 on: 11 September 2021, 23:45:00 »
I know the BVs for various BA squads always default to the 4-suit value. Would it be possible to get the 5 and 6-suit BVs added to the notes, please? Especially for Clan suits?
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #363 on: 11 September 2021, 23:56:37 »
the BVs are entered in the extension function that creates the cards for other squad sizes. will have to see if we can get those displayed somehow...

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #364 on: 12 September 2021, 02:20:07 »
Is the thunper Karnov an actual thing in canon? MUL lists it as unique (but with no faction) from the succession wars to the dark age, and tro:3039 calls it a myth.

While I don't know from military science, I also suspect that that kind of rapid response artillery would change things significantly. Even it the gun shook the frame apart after a couple ammo loads, everyone would be paranoid that somebody brought a flight to a fight (though training would be a pain).

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #365 on: 12 September 2021, 07:32:26 »
Maybe.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #366 on: 12 September 2021, 18:47:23 »
something is up with the Locust 7S. other locusts, who also have max armor (i am looking at the 7V and 7V2) do not have the same armor value of 3.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #367 on: 12 September 2021, 19:10:55 »
something is up with the Locust 7S. other locusts, who also have max armor (i am looking at the 7V and 7V2) do not have the same armor value of 3.

Thank you, fixed.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #368 on: 15 September 2021, 20:25:52 »
Is it possible to change the default on Elementals to 5 instead of 4?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #369 on: 16 September 2021, 11:26:01 »
I'm pretty sure we need to use the same default for all battle armor.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #370 on: 21 September 2021, 01:07:17 »
Rifleman 7G is available only to the RotS but by the Dark Age should also be available
to the Capellan Confederation.

It's factory World of Nanking was captured by the Capellan Confederation.
According to IlClan Recognition guide Volume 08 page 8 "Kallon executives ordered the
Nanking line to make a production run of the -7G as an
experimental platform for the Silver Bullet in 3085."
Moreover, the other 2 RotS Rifleman variants (7X and 8X) Are also Available to the Capellan in the Dark Age

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« Reply #371 on: 21 September 2021, 06:49:42 »
The 7G was a limited run testbed for the silver bullet and was not in production when the Capellans took the world

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« Reply #372 on: 21 September 2021, 10:21:56 »
The 7G was a limited run testbed for the silver bullet and was not in production when the Capellans took the world

Thank you for the clarification.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #373 on: 27 September 2021, 03:38:08 »
Not exactly an errata.

The Vixen 6 and Pendragon 3R are in the MUL thanks to record sheets fron Iron Wind Metals.
I wonder if the Thunderbolt IIC 2 can recieve the same love.

https://ironwindmetals.com/index.php/downloads/battletech/record-sheets/41-thunderbolt-iic-2

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #374 on: 27 September 2021, 07:58:46 »
Not exactly an errata.

The Vixen 6 and Pendragon 3R are in the MUL thanks to record sheets fron Iron Wind Metals.
I wonder if the Thunderbolt IIC 2 can recieve the same love.

https://ironwindmetals.com/index.php/downloads/battletech/record-sheets/41-thunderbolt-iic-2

Already up: http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5240/thunderbolt-iic-2
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #375 on: 27 September 2021, 11:02:26 »
Already up: http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5240/thunderbolt-iic-2
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Great thank you just the BV is missing should be 2177 according to the RS

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #376 on: 27 September 2021, 17:23:12 »
Possible errata.
Void Caltrop is listed as Capellan (unique)  in the early republic era before getting extinct should be changed to DC (unique).
Tornado PA(L) P17 "Hurricane" is still Available to Comstar after the Jihad, shouldn't it be extinct with the rest of the Comguards?
Kage C and Infiltrator II Coral Intent are listed after the Jihad as available to their Factions but shouldn't the be extinct
like the Fa shih 2, Longinus "Hacked" and most of their XTRO contemporaries?
Is it an error or have this designs entered production later?

 

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #377 on: 27 September 2021, 20:00:16 »
I'd assume some of the XTRO units are in production even though they didn't get updated versions in TRO Prototypes. For example, the No-Dachi NDA-3X from XTRO Kurita, is available post-Jihad but wasn't in TRO Prototypes.

The Kage C fluff indicates limited production status. And given how Coral Intent is relatively similar to the Kage C, i'd imagine it is in limited production for special forces as well.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #378 on: 28 September 2021, 03:13:38 »
Some BA points:
* Ravager (LRM):
Intro date 3101 but it has only dark age availability. Late republic should be added.
* Xiphos should be added to Clan Wolf according to TRO 3145 FWL page 8: "Star Captain Zetoras Ward: He was not only
the first Clan Wolf Elemental to receive a Xiphos, he demanded it. After facing the assault
suit multiple times during the invasion of the Free Worlds League in his Gnome, he was
so impressed by it that he led the assault on the production facilities on Washburn, claiming a freshly-built suit as isorla. Since then his entire
Trinary has been equipped with them."
* Possibly the grenadier should be added to the RotS. Quote from the Kopis fluff TRO 3085 page 12 "It is believed the pairing of Kopis suits with Federated Suns Grenadiers will make for a highly effective urban defense squad and plans are underway to deploy two to three squads of these mixed battle armor teams to each planetary militia in The Republic"
* Grenadier II D should be added to the FS. It's stated that the mortar version was Republic only but later in the same page it is stated that the policy has changed: "This stratagem only changed when the pact between Julian
Davion and the Republic was renewed in 3146. Having self-supporting artillery deployed by battle armor also added to the Capellans’ confusion on Marlette."
* Kishi BA was introduced  in 3105 yet still has early republic availability.
* Fenrir II was introduced  in 3119 yet still has early republic availability.
* Fusilier was introduced  in 3121 yet still has early republic availability.
* Simian (base) and Grenadier II (base) lacks availability (I know it's unimportant, just to be consistant with the other base versions of BA)
* Nighthawk PAL There is some indication that it should be available to mercenaries during and perhaps after the jihad era.
Quote from TRO 3058U: "Small numbers of Nighthawks captured from the Word
of Blake have started to surface on the arms market. While the
House militaries continue to prefer their home-grown battle
armor designs, a number of mercenaries, private security
forces, and even militia have snapped up all they can get."
and the notable pilot is from the 21th Centauri Lancers

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #379 on: 28 September 2021, 11:47:56 »
Possible errata.
Void Caltrop is listed as Capellan (unique)  in the early republic era before getting extinct should be changed to DC (unique).

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Tornado PA(L) P17 "Hurricane" is still Available to Comstar after the Jihad, shouldn't it be extinct with the rest of the Comguards?

The source and internal notes indicate it shouldn't be around, especially at general faction availability. Will look into this

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Kage C and Infiltrator II Coral Intent are listed after the Jihad as available to their Factions but shouldn't the be extinct
like the Fa shih 2, Longinus "Hacked" and most of their XTRO contemporaries?
Is it an error or have this designs entered production later?

It's not 100% definitive that all XTRO entries go extinct either immediately after the Jihad or after.

Kage C - In production by DC through at least 3150
Infilitrator II Coral Intent - In production by FS through at least 3150

Some BA points:
* Ravager (LRM):
Intro date 3101 but it has only dark age availability. Late republic should be added.

So it should. fixed

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* Xiphos should be added to Clan Wolf according to TRO 3145 FWL page 8: "Star Captain Zetoras Ward: He was not only
the first Clan Wolf Elemental to receive a Xiphos, he demanded it. After facing the assault
suit multiple times during the invasion of the Free Worlds League in his Gnome, he was
so impressed by it that he led the assault on the production facilities on Washburn, claiming a freshly-built suit as isorla. Since then his entire
Trinary has been equipped with them."

Will look into this

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* Possibly the grenadier should be added to the RotS. Quote from the Kopis fluff TRO 3085 page 12 "It is believed the pairing of Kopis suits with Federated Suns Grenadiers will make for a highly effective urban defense squad and plans are underway to deploy two to three squads of these mixed battle armor teams to each planetary militia in The Republic"

Plans =/= actual deployment. Will investigate

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* Grenadier II D should be added to the FS. It's stated that the mortar version was Republic only but later in the same page it is stated that the policy has changed: "This stratagem only changed when the pact between Julian
Davion and the Republic was renewed in 3146. Having self-supporting artillery deployed by battle armor also added to the Capellans’ confusion on Marlette."

Perhaps. May not rise to wide enough deployment. Will investigate

All standard, non-unique omni configs are generally considered available to all the factions that possess the <Base> unit. Added

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* Kishi BA was introduced  in 3105 yet still has early republic availability.
* Fenrir II was introduced  in 3119 yet still has early republic availability.
* Fusilier was introduced  in 3121 yet still has early republic availability.

fixed

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* Simian (base) and Grenadier II (base) lacks availability (I know it's unimportant, just to be consistant with the other base versions of BA)

fixed

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* Nighthawk PAL There is some indication that it should be available to mercenaries during and perhaps after the jihad era.
Quote from TRO 3058U: "Small numbers of Nighthawks captured from the Word
of Blake have started to surface on the arms market. While the
House militaries continue to prefer their home-grown battle
armor designs, a number of mercenaries, private security
forces, and even militia have snapped up all they can get."
and the notable pilot is from the 21th Centauri Lancers

under investigation

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #380 on: 28 September 2021, 12:24:37 »
I know there's no record sheet yet, but 3085supp actually lists the BVs for the Manta and Moray subs. Any chance those numbers could get added to their entries?
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #382 on: 28 September 2021, 14:36:08 »
Sorry for the earlier BA dump  ;)
I must say I do have some questions about Taurian BA Availability, It seems to be extremely wide and advanced for a periphery state without an IS backer:
 *Gray death Scout available as early as the civil war when it was a rather new and advanced tech wonder but than unavailable after the Jihad? Is there a source that explains this?
* Infiltrator Mk I same thing. Available As early as the civil war when it was a new and than going extinct in the dark age (yea it's rather primitive by this era perhaps even for a periphery power)
* Infiltrator Mk II is available to the Taurian since It's inception!
Here is a quote from TRO 3058U: "Still in short supply—by all accounts the DMI and MIIO combined have taken delivery on almost forty percent of the suits manufactured throughout the years, while losses incurred during the FedCom Civil War accounted for a not-insignificant number of suits" it seems odd The Taurians managed to get their hands on a substantial number of these suits.
* Same thing with Purifier adaptive BA a suit that uses extremely advanced mimetic armor although it can be argued they got some from the WoB.
* Grenadier BA the same argument (Base, SRM/flamer, SRM/LRR, SRM/SL, SRM/TAG versions) available since it's inception
The FS are hostile at best to the Taurians. I am not sure it's exactly errata just seems very odd to me.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #383 on: 28 September 2021, 17:01:07 »
Gray Death Strike BA Standard and HarJel are listed as 1.5 tons since these are medium BA they should get a diet to 1 ton like the prototype version.
I also believe that the Harjel version is mixed tech.

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« Reply #384 on: 28 September 2021, 21:17:38 »
The MUL lists the Badger C as only available to wolfs dragoons, starting in the clan invasion era.

TP: Tokasha has the Badger C available to Clan Hells Horses, 2900s. 
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« Reply #385 on: 28 September 2021, 21:25:06 »
Some preinvasion clan units are still being worked out

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« Reply #386 on: 01 October 2021, 04:21:17 »
AS cards for Catapult "Butterbee 2"  and  Vulcan (John Carras) from AS lance packs both have 1 PV cost.

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« Reply #387 on: 01 October 2021, 07:54:35 »
AS cards for Catapult "Butterbee 2"  and  Vulcan (John Carras) from AS lance packs both have 1 PV cost.

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« Reply #388 on: 06 October 2021, 23:12:48 »
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« Reply #389 on: 16 October 2021, 17:18:49 »
Noticed the Victor 9K has IlClan availability for some reason.
As i understand, the era isn't supposed to be populated yet, so is this an error? Or was there some product that i missed but firmly places the Victor 9K to FWL hands in the IlClan era?

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